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post #41 of 82
2/3/07 at 3:37pm
When shopping around for a new doc (bc we'd moved out of state) the first practice I went to was bc the staff said he did VBACs. The whole appt was great until I actually MET the man and when the word "VBAC" came out of my mouth he turned SO ugly, spouting off a bunch of legalese. He actually said, "I am not going to lose my house over some patient."

Obviously, I left in tears.

I found ONE practice that was VBAC supportive and the docs were AMAZING. Totally laid back about it, no issues about my going to or past my due date. The doc on call was one of the most pro-VBAC OBs in the office, and I really credit him for making my VBAC happen. He did some very unorthodox (for the med community) things to get my son out bc he knew how important it was for me to NOT have a repeat C. And so we had a successful VBAC!!

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post #42 of 82
2/4/07 at 12:23am
Reading through these posts bring back a lot of memories.

When we found out that DD#1 was breech, I was very upset. We tried all the naturals to get her to turn and nothing worked. My CP was a CNM that worked in an office of OB's and when we met with the OB that does the ECV's, he told us that it was unlikely to be successful and I had a 99% chance of having an emergency c-section after the ECV attempt. At the time I was more interested in having a full-term baby than a pre-term one, so we chose to continue the natural things and not try the ECV. I did refuse to schedule the c-section prior to my EDD and did go into labor naturally. I cried through the entire surgical procedure.

When I found out I was expecting #2, I contacted the CNM I had used for DD#1 and she was optimistic about my chances for a VBAC. I met with one of the OB's to get the VBAC approval and he gave me restrictions: recommended an epidural "just in case", no laboring in water of any kind, continuous monitoring, and the baby had to be less than 8 pounds (DD#1 was 10 pounds). Something changed in their practice when I was 30 weeks and the CNM said it was unlikely that I would be able to have the VBAC.

I began searching for an alternative. HBAC was not an option based on where I live and DH not wanting one. I found another practice with CNM's and OB's. The CNM's were positive I could do it, but the approving OB (who supposedly is a VBAC supporter) was very negative, but said I could have a "trial of labor" - how I hate those words. Then my worst fears came true - DD#2 was breech. The CNM didn't give me a choice and scheduled an ECV for the next day. The ECV was successful (I found out later that the OB that performed the ECV also does vaginal breech deliveries and would have allowed a breech VBAC). Other than having the nurse from hell when I checked in - she did everything she could to make me a repeat section all went well and I had my un-medicated VBAC.

BTW DD#2 never dropped into my pelvis and I pushed her all the way down and out. So those of you that were told you couldn't do it that way were also told inaccurate info about that.
post #43 of 82
2/4/07 at 6:00pm
post #44 of 82
2/4/07 at 7:05pm
I'm so sorry you were coerced in this way. It's not your responsibility to keep their VBAC stats intact and with an outlook like that surgeon it's kinda hard to imagine their rates would be high anyway! That doesn't sound like VBAC concern to me at all, that's a surgeon trying to maintain control and force compliance on you. In that scenario there's no way I'd have had a VBAC since I laboured for 50+ hours and had a week of prodromal labour before it. Time is NOT an issue in labour unless the mama really feels it is. In your shoes I would just stay home maybe heading in when I started to feel like pushing. That way the clock would only go on me right at the end of labour so hopefully I'd come in under his stupid timelimits that have no evidence to support them. That surgeon obviously feels comfortable with forcing unnecessary surgery onto women and it's just utterly tragic that in the current anti-birth climate you would be lumped with that. I'm so sorry None of my post is a reflection on you, I just want to be clear about that. It is absolutely only the surgeon which horrifies me and you're not responsible for him.
post #45 of 82
2/5/07 at 1:41am
post #46 of 82
2/5/07 at 3:24pm
Someone on my local ICAN list was recently told by an OB that VBAC babies suffer from developmental delays at a much higher rate than babies born by repeat CS.... totally and utter scare tactic BS. The sad thing is that she says after hearing this, most of her patients opt for the repeat CS. Gee... wonder why? I can't stand outright lies!
post #47 of 82
2/5/07 at 7:10pm
I don't know how they can live with themselves, I really don't
post #48 of 82
2/5/07 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by nfpmom View Post
Someone on my local ICAN list was recently told by an OB that VBAC babies suffer from developmental delays at a much higher rate than babies born by repeat CS.... totally and utter scare tactic BS. The sad thing is that she says after hearing this, most of her patients opt for the repeat CS. Gee... wonder why? I can't stand outright lies!

I wonder if the dr tells this to all her patients who are vaginal births. I'd be curious if she has a sky high c-section rate. There's nothing different between the birth process of a vbac and a regular vaginal birth and it's sad that women can't see that.
post #49 of 82
2/14/07 at 10:46am
Pitocin contractions are absolutely no different than natural contractions. HA! What a big fat lie lie lie!!!!!!
post #50 of 82
2/14/07 at 12:12pm
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Pitocin contractions are absolutely no different than natural contractions. HA! What a big fat lie lie lie!!!!!!
I must know...was this a male or female OB???
post #51 of 82
2/14/07 at 2:48pm
  • Our hospital can't allow VBAC's because ACOG won't let us.
  • they pulled the "...if you were my wife..." "dead baby" cards
  • Every woman vbacing has at least 5% rupture rate
  • Once you've seen 1 rupture you'll never let anyone chance it... (she'd never seen one btw)
post #52 of 82
2/14/07 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by HappyMommy2 View Post
Pitocin contractions are absolutely no different than natural contractions. HA! What a big fat lie lie lie!!!!!!
And Splenda is the same as sugar.:
post #53 of 82
2/14/07 at 8:58pm

This was a female OB

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Originally Posted by TanyaS View Post
I must know...was this a male or female OB???
Plus - She's had 2 or 3 kids ... not sure if Vag or CS.
post #54 of 82
2/15/07 at 12:05am
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Not sure if it's better coming from a male or female. As a female, she should know better unless she's only ever had pitocin births. And a male wouldn't have any inkling of how it feels.
post #55 of 82
2/19/07 at 2:53pm
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post #56 of 82
2/20/07 at 10:56pm
It doesn't matter what surgeons have in their pants, it matters what they have between their ears
post #57 of 82
2/25/07 at 5:24pm

i don't get it

can someone explain? i don't get it...what is the motivation for the lies? i know it's true, i've seen the research done on vaginal births and c/s (i had 2 c/s myself and would like to try for a VBAC our next pregnancy). but why? what is the payoff for the health care professionals???
thanks
steff
post #58 of 82
2/26/07 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by smittel3 View Post
can someone explain? i don't get it...what is the motivation for the lies? i know it's true, i've seen the research done on vaginal births and c/s (i had 2 c/s myself and would like to try for a VBAC our next pregnancy). but why? what is the payoff for the health care professionals???
thanks
steff
Well, from what I know it is any number of the following list of things:
  • $$$ for the hospital/their pocket
  • Fear of malpractice lawsuits
  • Insurance premiums too high, thus ins. comp. won't "allow" them to
  • Mis- Education, oh, and only a select few are willing to take a schoolin' from an "uneducated lay person", like me for instance.
  • Fear of unknown/ don't want to get scoffed at by other docs
  • ... gosh, I'm runnin out of gas here... ummm, no faith in a women's power or ability to birth on her own.
That is all I got for now, there are probably more reasons, and we all know these are all very complex thoughts and I am typing this quick, so I made it really simple and short, cuz I gotta go to the toilet....
post #59 of 82
2/26/07 at 1:35pm
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I think it varies depending on the physician. The problem begins with the medical model that looks at birth as a pathology. The medical model also responds to litigation. Litigation triggers higher premiums and even things the insurance company prohibits. Of course, the litigation might not be a factor if they would have left VBAC mamas alone and kept induction out of the equatino. Fear is a huge part of the equation. Even my caring, compassionate, patient OB for my first VBAC was still looking at me as high risk soley based on the two ruptures he had seen during his career.
post #60 of 82
4/3/07 at 11:55pm
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