Need some Rotavirus info

[AdoptChina]

I have a friend with a 2 month old who is considering giving this vax (she very pro vax).....Im not trying to change her mind about vaxing in general, just want to address this particular one......

I told her that I personally would be fearful of this vax since the last one was pulled from the market due to infant deaths

Does anyone know how many children died from the vax?

Anyone know how many kids die yearly from rotavirus?

Her older son had rotavirus and she remembers him being very ill, so she is frightened about the baby getting rv. (he was not hospitalized )

any info to pass on to her?

[EVC]

Well, I think the point I'd bring up is that this is a live virus vax and the chances of her child (and other members of her family) getting rotavirus FROM the vax are fairly high....

And I don't think children actually die from rotavirus. The hospitalizations, etc that occur are from dehydration which may be a result of the virus, but not the virus itself.

[AdoptChina]

Originally Posted by EVC

And I don't think children actually die from rotavirus. The hospitalizations, etc that occur are from dehydration which may be a result of the virus, but not the virus itself.

yeah, that's what I assumed too...just wanted to give her some comparsion figures etc

[mommy_e]

CDC says 20-60 deaths per year from rotavirus in the US (from the VIS).

[AdoptChina]

Originally Posted by mommy_e

CDC says 20-60 deaths per year from rotavirus in the US (from the VIS).

do you have a link?
thanks

[suschi]

Here's some stuff I have saved to a word doc on rotavirus and the vaccines



Rotashield, (Wyeth) approved August 31, 1998, “voluntarily” pulled in October 1999 due to link with intussuception. 20 years of research and they couldn’t figure out the problems until they administered the vaccine to live infants. Ack.

14 deaths are listed in the VAERS database after getting the rotashield vaccine by Wyeth.

http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/fin...AX=RV&DIED=Yes

Although other vaccines were given in some cases at the same time, but symptoms common with the problems found with the RV vax.

Keep in mind, one of the people who sat on the panel and recommended this vaccine for universal use was Paul Offitt, who held a patent for a rotavirus vaccine being developed by Merck. Approving this vaccine would guarantee success for his vax.

Now there are two more rotavirus vaccines,

Rotarix (GSK & Avant) ~ attenuated human strain to mimic natural protection
Recently licensed in Europe 2/27/2006 & they are working on getting it approved in the US

From July 7, 2006,

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/event...ns/Boslego.pdf



And Rotateq (Merck) ~ licensed 2/3/2006

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....lar&id=822433&

PEDIATRICS Vol. 108 No. 1 July 2001, pp. 220
The Rotavirus Vaccine Story

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...full/108/1/220

http://www.aapsonline.org/testimony/cdcfoia.htm

Rotashield info obtained via FOIA:


n engl j med 354;1 www.nejm.org january 5, 2006 23

The trial (Merck protocol V260-006) was designed, managed, and analyzed by the sponsor in conjunction with the external investigators and members of the data and safety monitoring board and safety end-point adjudication committee (listed in Part I of the Supplementary Appendix). The investigators had access to all study data.

). Overall, 44 deaths occurred during the study, 24 among vaccine recipients (<0.1 percent) and 20 among placebo recipients (<0.1 percent). The most common cause of death in both groups was sudden infant death syndrome, which occurred in seven vaccine recipients and eight placebo recipients.
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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...21/ai_65016227

Rotavirus Vaccines Trigger Diabetes
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The vast majority of rotavirus deaths occur in Asia and Africa. Only 50 children died in the United States last year from rotavirus, while 15,000 died in Latin America, 2,000 of those in Mexico, the scientists said.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twinci...9122130.htm?1c

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Eighty-five percent of Rotavirus deaths occur in developing countries, where children don't have access to adequate hospitals, according to the World Health Organization.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...?category=1500 &slu g=Mexico%20Childhood%20Illness

http://internationalrotavirus.com

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Rotavirus, THINGS TO CONSIDER

Every year, rotavirus gastroenteritis is estimated to be responsible for the following among children younger than 5 years of age1:
Approximately 250,000 emergency room visits
Approximately 400,000 physician visits
Up to 70,000 hospitalizations
20-70 deaths every year
Go to Rotavirus.org, and they know the US numbers aren't too scary, so they include worldwide numbers, and even admit, most deaths are in DEVELOPING COUNTRIES!!
from rotavirus.org,
Each year nearly 500,000 children die from diarrheal disease caused by rotavirus, and another two million are hospitalized. Most deaths occur in developing countries where access to treatment is limited; however, nearly every child in the world will suffer an episode of diarrhea caused by rotavirus before age five.*
So we are to be very concerned about this, I mean look at the numbers. Yet I just finished watching a video about the infections people acquire while in the hosptial for something else!!! To me, this is far more of a concern than rotavirus ever has been ..... 2 million people will get an infection FROM the hospital per year, of those, 90 THOUSAND will die, and this is in the US, not worldwide. That's more people than people who die from AIDS, breast cancer and car accidents COMBINED! 50% of drs do not wash their hands between patients. Ewwww

[LongIsland]

Originally Posted by suschi

Overall, 44 deaths occurred during the study, 24 among vaccine recipients (<0.1 percent) and 20 among placebo recipients (<0.1 percent). The most common cause of death in both groups was sudden infant death syndrome, which occurred in seven vaccine recipients and eight placebo recipients.

I wonder which vaccine the placebo group was given.

[LongIsland]

Let's put these figures in perspective:

• more than 400,000 doctor visits
• more than 200,000 emergency room visits
• 55,000 to 70,000 hospitalizations
• 20-60 deaths


There are approx. four (4) million children children born each year in the United States . . . and another few million under the age of five.

These figures are not the least bit impressive, particularly the number of "doctor visits." Millions of children visit the doctor's office for colds and ear infections alone. Parents bring their kids in to the doctor's office for EVERYTHING, so touting the number of doctor visits is pretty lame, but an effective manipulation.

The rotavirus emergency room visits are equally unimpressive and manipulative since millions of parents routinely use the ER as their "doctor's office," including those parents of children with rotavirus.

And the most ironic twist is the 50,000 hospitalization rate: not too impressive when you factor in that there are about 500,000 children hospitalized each year in the U.S. due to asthma.

[mamakay]

And I bet most (if not all) of those 20-60 death a year could be prevented if parents were just educated on how to prevent dehydration, and for the "worst cases", what the early signs of dehydration are, and when to go get IV fluids.

[LongIsland]

Originally Posted by mamakay

And I bet most (if not all) of those 20-60 death a year could be prevented if parents were just educated on how to prevent dehydration, and for the "worst cases", what the early signs of dehydration are, and when to go get IV fluids.

[mamakay]

I wonder where they're getting their hospitalization figures from?
If we assume there are 4 million kids born a year, all of which will get rotavirus before age 5, that means one in 20 kids end up hospitalized for rotavirus, right?
That just doesn't sound right at all.
Or am I not doing that math right?

[mommy_e]

Originally Posted by AdoptChina

do you have a link?
thanks

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...-rotavirus.pdf

[suschi]

Originally Posted by LongIsland

Let's put these figures in perspective:

• more than 400,000 doctor visits
• more than 200,000 emergency room visits
• 55,000 to 70,000 hospitalizations
• 20-60 deaths


There are approx. four (4) million children children born each year in the United States . . . and another few million under the age of five.

These figures are not the least bit impressive, particularly the number of "doctor visits." Millions of children visit the doctor's office for colds and ear infections alone. Parents bring their kids in to the doctor's office for EVERYTHING, so touting the number of doctor visits is pretty lame, but an effective manipulation.

The rotavirus emergency room visits are equally unimpressive and manipulative since millions of parents routinely use the ER as their "doctor's office," including those parents of children with rotavirus.

Right, the US figures are not impressive at all, which is why in most of the ads and marketing, worldwide figures are used to bump up that fear factor,

"Each year nearly 500,000 children die from diarrheal disease caused by rotavirus, and another two million are hospitalized. Most deaths occur in developing countries where access to treatment is limited; however, nearly every child in the world will suffer an episode of diarrhea caused by rotavirus before age five.*"