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post #1 of 8
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I'm new to this forum. I want my children to grow up and be the individuals they are. There are some things that I will not budge on but I usually try to compromise when possible. When it isn't possible and something where you absolutely see no "happy medium", AND have the father fighting you in every way, how do you deal? My DD's father and I have been apart since she was 8 months old. My husband and I have been together since she was 10 mo. old. He has the same values as I and things seemed to go pretty smoothly until she was about 4 and her father really started coming into the picture (long story there in itself). He loves her but he is so selfish that he behaves more like a teenage brother/baby sister relationship. He was never taught self control or consequence and it is still apparent today as what is supposed to be an adult.
He has had no rules for what she is/was allowed to listen to on her stereo, including his CD’s(VERY inappropriate for children), or what she was allowed to watch on her TV (cable) in her room since about age 4-5 yrs. old. He doesn't supervise at all. She has begun to resent and rebel against me now because I do not allow those things that he does. I have had parent/teacher conferences about why my child at age 5 was dancing inappropriately (he bought Britney Spears concert on PPV for her at age 5) and referred to a boy in her class as "big pimp" (his friends referred to him that way in front of her). She began singing songs (hip-hop) talking explicitly about sex by age 6 and has involved her in all his relationships (1 live-in GF, married & divorced two different women and has a child with his current live-in GF he won’t marry). She now acts as you would expect a 15-17 yr old to behave. She is only 11 years old and though she tries to behave older, she is still very emotionally immature-because he has placed her in that environment years before she was emotionally or mentally ready, I think. I know all teens will try to push the limits a bit but I have dealt with a "teen" so to speak for the past 6 years - what's left to go through in the next 7 yrs?
I struggle with my own anger because I feel as though he has taken my baby from me. At age 4 he began to mold her into this selfish, materialistic monster. What hurts the most is this is truly not her nature - she is very emotional, sensitive and sympathetic. So much so, she cries anytime she sees someone else cry - even a stranger. She intentionally tries to behave this way because she thinks it is "cool" because “they dress like this on “MTV” and the more I try to teach her different, the more she pushes but I can’t allow my daughter to basically raise herself, as she seems to think I should and watch her spiral out of control. Example: she had a CD she'd brought home from his house and was listening to it. I asked what she was listening to. The rule - no listening to the CD's she brings home until I have been able to sit and listen to it to be sure it isn’t inappropriate. She actually told me she'd bought that CD with her money(from his house), so she should be able to listen to it if she wants! It wasn’t that big a deal, just one exhibit of how she truly feels she shouldn’t have rules.
He has successfully confused her of what it is to be an adult and a child for that matter and I am beginning to feel SO helpless – especially when I think of how I hate that she is around these things as it is, and then she comes home and my other daughters (8 & 3) look up to her like she looks at her father, and want to do everything she does. I have tried to talk to him several times and it does no good – she is suffering the most from all this 1. through the example he sets and what she’s learning from them, and 2. from the confusion it has caused her to go back and forth with nothing even near consistent.

Any ideas of how I can help her through this and NOT make matters worse or harder on her than they have to be?
post #2 of 8
I have no advice but wanted to give you a
post #3 of 8
I guess I would engage her in conversations about 'cool' and about media and how it distorts reality. I would talk frankly about the kinds of situations she could get into based on her actions and see what her thoughts and ideas are about all of this. Is there a possible role model or someone she thinks is 'cool' and yet has a little better understanding of what choices like that can lead to? Sometimes an older girl (late teens or early twenties) could become a mentor to her and help guide her back to more age appropriate things and/or things that are more inline with the kind of person she might like to be.

Tough situation. I wish you well.
post #4 of 8
Have you ever done family counseling? I think it might be time.

You need help separating your anger at your dh from your response to your dd's behavior. Your dd needs help separating her anger at you and her father from your differing sets of rules and expectations.

Preteen years are a good one to get some good family dynamics in place so that you can get on track for the teen years when she will have more freedom. A friend of mine introduced her daughter to the idea of counseling by saying that the counselor was someone who helps girls become women.

I would recommend a counselor for you, a different one for dd, and then either a counselor or a mediator to work with you, dd, your daughter's father, and anyone else who has long term care of her.
post #5 of 8
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Originally Posted by LynnS6 View Post
Have you ever done family counseling? I think it might be time.

You need help separating your anger at your dh from your response to your dd's behavior. Your dd needs help separating her anger at you and her father from your differing sets of rules and expectations.

Preteen years are a good one to get some good family dynamics in place so that you can get on track for the teen years when she will have more freedom. A friend of mine introduced her daughter to the idea of counseling by saying that the counselor was someone who helps girls become women.

I would recommend a counselor for you, a different one for dd, and then either a counselor or a mediator to work with you, dd, your daughter's father, and anyone else who has long term care of her.
That sounds great but my husband and I are both self employed, so we do not have insurance. Do you know if it is affordable? I've thought of that many years ago (after the first ex wife) and the counselor basically told me that the issues would not resolve if he continued to behave the same way - he said he would go but when I tried to schedule the first appointment to all go, he couldn't find time to "squeeze it in". My husband and I have tried in every way to work with him and create a family-like setting as far as the daughter is concerned (as distorted as it may be) but her father is the type that agrees when I speak to him and carries on as if we never had the conversation - child-like .... in one ear and out the other, tuning me out but agreeing to shut me up so he can get back to whatever is more important to him at the time. The anger issue doesn't really get directed toward my daughter, I don't believe, from me but it does make it difficult to carry inside. I've had another discussion with her father today and discussed the issue. I feel after 10 years, it should be about the child and not to spite me. I told him I feel if he has any issues with me, to call me directly and NOT to tell his GF and have her call to settle it. If I dealt with his GF's and he dealt with my husband, I feel there are way too many people involved and would only complicate things further - not to mention if we can't learn to work together, she will soon begin to divide and conquer and while we are wrapped up in all that drama, she will be taking full advantage and trying to get away with any and everything possible. He, again, said a whole lot of "yea"s and "uh-huh"s and presented a lot of defense. I would like to think he will someday soon see how this is affecting her and make a change for her sake (would be nice if it started today-many years ago would've been better) but we will see. The problem she has with him is he goes on one date with someone, they go home together, and live together from there until they split up. When she addresses this with him, he just says "sometimes it doesn't work out and you just have to learn to deal with that". But everytime he does this, he feels everyone should take the relationship serious and treat them as though they'd been together for many years just because they are living together. He expects her to automatically "click" with the new GF's and immediately "love" them - I fear he is distorting her view of what it is to love when he does that and she feels the new GF is pushing too hard. When we try and talk this over with him, he just defends the GF and says she is in his household so our dd either has to do what she says and obey her (GF) because she is an adult or if she doesn't like the rules, she doesn't have to stay at his house - What does he think that says to her? I just don't feel that is anyway to handle your child EVER and especially not when the issues dd is dealing with are from situations he has put her in - she didn't ask to be put through all that.

If you know of any programs for counselling that may help or of how affordable it may be, please let me know. I couldn't stand to see her end up a depressed teen and dealing with more than she's already dealing with emotionally, with the new GF and baby.
post #6 of 8
Start calling people in the phonebook.
Many counselors will work on a sliding scale based on income.
post #7 of 8
As a person who was once a teenager spinning and spun out of control, I suggest doing what you can to involve her in the solution to your woes. Most teens just want to be taken seriously. If you stand in their way when they're headed for a brick wall, they'll push harder and hit it harder than if you had done nothing, but if you tell them from the sidelines that you see the path they're on and be carefull, especially if you see this stuff happening (insert inevitable consequences and warning signs here) they'll often slow down and pull out before they get too hurt. Tell her why you don't like that music, that look etc. but tell her not in terms of 'you're too young/immature' but why you wouldn't like seeing your friend dress like that, kwim? Address things in terms of I have a problem with hearing that kind of stuff in my house, how can we find a solution (btw, if you know what the solution is going to be when you ask that question she'll know she's being patronized ? There's a book called "the explosive child" (http://www.explosivechild.com/) that has some great ideas for letting go and getting the important stuff dealt with. I don't like some stuff about the book (especially that rebellion & frustration gets pathologized), but at the heart of it are some great concepts, and some really workable ideas. I can tell you that for years I thought nothing could have shaken me from the path that I was on until I righted myself, but if they had done the stuff in this book it would have made a big difference. good luck, i'd hate to have been my mom - I hope you can find something that works for you - jen
post #8 of 8
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QUOTE=scoutycat;7027085] good luck, i'd hate to have been my mom - I hope you can find something that works for you - jen[/QUOTE]

I understand - I too was a teen out of control which is why I've worked so hard all these years to prevent some of the things I am able to look back on now that led up to some of my actions and ways of thinking. In fact, that is part of why I am dealing with this. I was 16 when I had her and at the time didn't really see that big of a deal because in my mind, I was "grown". It's amazing to me now to look back and see what I thought I was, thought I knew, my image, etc. and to now be able to see the image I was really presenting for myself, the way others saw me. I would be blown away if my girls behave the way I did! My parents did try to tell me those things but the only thing that slowed me down and forced me to grow up and face reality was my child - I was a smart kid, just used it for the wrong reasons and as a result, didn't always make the smartest decisions. Somehow, I still had some sort of responsibility deep inside me to realize my child shouldn't suffer because of the choices I made (guess my parents got to me somewhere in there even if neither of us realized it). I tried to do everything possible to prepare myself (childcare courses, etc. offered through school) and did my best to provide her with every opportunity as any other child. I didn't want her to be "raised" by my parents while I continued to be a child and suddenly rip her from that whenever I decided I was ready - I felt she had a right to something better. I guess that's part of the hurt, also, is the vision I had of the parenting she deserved, yet too young to realize the impact the father's choices would have as well - kind of turns out to be a slap in the face.

I think seeing a counselor will be a big help also. She has a lot of emotional issues to work through (with good reason). I've strived to teach my girls that no matter the problem, they can always come to me and discuss anything, even if they fear it may hurt my feelings or upset me. She (even on days I feel she must hate me) still comes to me to discuss even those subjects I would’ve considered to be too uncomfortable - she's admitted if she's afraid it might upset me, she'll not discuss right away, as she has to think of the best way to “present it”, but always ends up talking about it eventually. I just make sure they know that regardless of what they tell me or the problems they are having, I will always love them and we will get through it together. I was always too afraid to be honest with my parents as a teen, which could've possibly changed many of my ways. The fact that she will come to me helps me realize that all I’ve tried to accomplish with my children hasn’t completely gone out the window and hopefully it will be as my parents’ were to me…. I may not have a clue I’m actually getting through, but then when the time is right, she’ll have the knowledge to make the right choices when she really needs it and I’ll realize she was paying attention after all. (fingers crossed!)

I thank everyone for the advice! This is a WONDERFUL message board and I feel with the issues surrounding us in this day and time, it is really great to see so many parents care enough about their children to seek a little help - even if the children don't know we're doing it and have us pictured as the "meany" sometimes! (lol - that's her favorite lately!)
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