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post #1 of 15
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do you try to avoid to some extent? like would you pass a book you think is good (well written, lyrical, beautiful illustrations, interesting) only because the story is focused on school?

for example, as i a child i read, in russian, A Pocketful of Crickets, and loved it. i recently found the english language original. part of the appeal to me as a child was the totally different environment -- the yellow school bus, the fact that 'school' was so different from what it was in russia, etc. but i have very fond memories of it.

i decided against ordering, even though i was excited to find it, for 2 reasons -- the cartoonish illustrations, and the fact that as per my memories it is centered around school. (well, and because only the hard cover edition was available, and it was pricey). so it was a combination of factors, and any one of them probably would not have been sufficient for me to pass on it.

btw, anyone read the book? is it as good as i remember?

so that was a book example. what about a children's magazine?

we recently read through two issues of a russian children's magazine. i liked it as it age appropriate, has sections on world art, poetry, short stories, games, crafts, and what no. and besides i used to read it as a child

but in each 60% of stories were focused on school and school related issues. i don't want to censor school out, but on the other hand, i wonder whether it is worth it, kwim? so much exposure, while there are other things to be exposed to. but i am leaning towards subsribing to the mag, as i'd like to get a russian magazine, and we don't have much choice, and this one is pretty good.

what do others think about these issues?
post #2 of 15
I do at times dodge lots of books and such focused on school. I don't mind if the literature is really quality, but in general there is only so often I feel my dd needs to hear about school, sometimes we even read a story and I substitue the word library or something else for school if it doesn't relate to the story. Dd has recently gone through a phase of wanting to attend school, and since she will be Kindergarten age this fall, I don't want to encourage that line of thought. I feel I have a long list of good reasons we won't be doing K, and I don't need a child's book undermining me.

That said, if my dd were satisfied with homeschooling and I didn't feel would be confused by it- I would probably get the magazine. (No clue on the book)
post #3 of 15
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Originally Posted by OTMomma View Post
I do at times dodge lots of books and such focused on school. I don't mind if the literature is really quality, but in general there is only so often I feel my dd needs to hear about school, sometimes we even read a story and I substitue the word library or something else for school if it doesn't relate to the story. Dd has recently gone through a phase of wanting to attend school, and since she will be Kindergarten age this fall, I don't want to encourage that line of thought. I feel I have a long list of good reasons we won't be doing K, and I don't need a child's book undermining me.

That said, if my dd were satisfied with homeschooling and I didn't feel would be confused by it- I would probably get the magazine. (No clue on the book)
well, the same thing, she is too young to know if she is satisfied or not, and what might influence her. so i feel she might be confused by it, even though now she happily says that she learns at home.

mind you the examples of school are not that positive (from my perspective ) and i can always emphasise that SHE doesn't have to do homework; and that she doesn't have to memorise stuff she doesn't feel like memorising, and that she is not tested, and not getting failing grades and so on -- the examples from what was in the mag's humorous stories.

but on the other hand i don't want to talk about shcool too much either. hmm...

really want the mag , but have concerns...
post #4 of 15
Interesting thread - this is something I have been thinking about for a while. We are definitely planning to hs our kids (oldest is almost 3). Since making this decision I have noticed how much school propaganda is out there - from all the "So-and-so's first day of school" type books, to tv shows, to simple throwaway references to "when you go to school" from friends or relatives. Ok, so maybe calling it propaganda is going too far for most of this stuff; I realize that for most kids "going to school" is a big part of life so of course there will be many stories about it. But I find it frustrating how prevalent it is, how many depictions sugarcoat what school is like, and how seldom other options are depicted.

So yes, I do avoid or edit overly schooly literature or tv. I also try to find books that show hsing (not necessarily called that by name; any depiction of a parent teaching their child is good). Occasionally this means missing out on a good book or show. But there are plenty of good books that don't focus on school.

It's not just that I think my kids might think ps, as shown in a book or on tv, looks like fun and demand to try it. I also don't want my dc to grow up with the assumption that "everyone" goes to school and feel weird because they don't. I'm not trying to turn them against ps - I don't cherry-pick negative depictions of school - I just don't want them to be hearing about school over and over again.

Maybe someday hsing will be common and accepted enough that we'll start seeing "token homeschoolers" in books and on kids' shows (the way we see token representatives of various other minorities now) which I guess would be an improvement. I'm not sure whether I would want to expose my kids to that sort of "balanced" depiction or not, but I think it would be a generally positive development.
post #5 of 15
The only times I censor like that are when books are overtly pro-school propaganda, like this book my dd wanted me to read that was about a bunny who didn't want to go to school and how his brothers and friends tell him all the things they did during the day, like painting and playing on the playground and learning to read, with the implication that these things can only be done in school. (I actually read that one to my dd and then talked about how silly it was to think that you had to go to school to do those things.) I don't read those things because I don't find value in them.

Stories about kids who go to school? Sure. Just like I read stories about kids who are Jewish, kids who live in Japan, kids who eat meat, kids who live on farms ... these kids are not like us, but so what? My kids know that most kids go to school. I'm not worried about them finding that out, nor am I worried about school sounding like a delightful place. My kids don't go to school and they know the reasons we don't/won't send them. I don't think I have to hide them from the idea of school.

If you loved the book as a kid, share it with your kids. If you found value in it as a child, your kids probably will too. One of my greatest pleasures as a mom is sharing treasured books with my kids.

Namaste!
post #6 of 15
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I also don't want my dc to grow up with the assumption that "everyone" goes to school and feel weird because they don't.
I guess I don't worry about that because we belong to a homeschool group and so, although my kids know that most kids go to school, and they know kids who go to school, MOST of the kids and families they know are homeschooling. To them it's the norm.

Namaste!
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I guess I don't worry about that because we belong to a homeschool group and so, although my kids know that most kids go to school, and they know kids who go to school, MOST of the kids and families they know are homeschooling. To them it's the norm.
That's the situation we are in too so I don't worry about "school focused" books. For instance, DS loves the Arthur books - they are often set in school and I don't think they've made him want to go to school at all.
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I guess I don't worry about that because we belong to a homeschool group and so, although my kids know that most kids go to school, and they know kids who go to school, MOST of the kids and families they know are homeschooling. To them it's the norm.

Namaste!
yeah, makes sense. there are no homeschoolers right now in our town. well, there seems to be one person who homeschools her highschooler via an on-line program...

hoping to be in a more homeschooling friendly place in a few years.
post #9 of 15
When my kids were younger, at the picture-book stage, I avoided books that were about school since they tend to make school seem absolutely wonderful.

Now that my children are a little older, I don't censor as strictly as I did before. I don't mind books about school as much as I mind books where the characters are bratty.

There is one book in particular that is about school that I adore. It's "The Wheel on the School" by Meindert Dejong. I avoided it for a long time because of the title, but it is truly an excellent book. Another great book about school is "Understood Betsy." I loooove that book!
post #10 of 15
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The only times I censor like that are when books are overtly pro-school propaganda,
That is pretty much my approach, but I won't "censor" them as much as prefer something else ... but now i have realised that it is impt also to read things we disagree with and read critically .. .which I have found even my 3 year old can do. Still, when there are so many wonderful books there is no need to read all about why kids must go to school, must wear diapers, must sleep alone [believe me there are kiddie books with all these messages] when we know it ain't so .... at another level, I distrust books with propoganda of any sort. I'd be equally wary of a children's book saying we must eat our veggies, etc even though I agree with that, kwim?
post #11 of 15
just realised .... an adult book about importance of veggies ... that i would not mind reading at all. which veggies have the most antioxidants, etc, sure i'd love to know all about that. so i guess it is more the attitude towards children that i am wary of in some of these books ... i am sure that there could be an equally non-patronizing chidlren's book (probably a nonfiction one) with messages / propoganda if you want to call it that. anyway, it is still impt for children to know that just because it is in a book we dont have to agree with it, and even if we do agree with it, we can question, respect different opinions, have different approaches, etc ....
post #12 of 15
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When my kids were younger, at the picture-book stage, I avoided books that were about school since they tend to make school seem absolutely wonderful.

Now that my children are a little older, I don't censor as strictly as I did before. I don't mind books about school as much as I mind books where the characters are bratty.

There is one book in particular that is about school that I adore. It's "The Wheel on the School" by Meindert Dejong. I avoided it for a long time because of the title, but it is truly an excellent book. Another great book about school is "Understood Betsy." I loooove that book!

LOL I was going to mention Understood Betsy (my 6yo just finished it...he loved it as much as I did!) I loved how it showed the contrasts between 'schooling' and 'learning'. I loved that young teen country schoolteacher. I thought she sounded like a homeschool mama

And The Wheel on the School is really painting a picture of a whole community. The teacher and the children are together with the rest of the village all the time. The school isn't a contrived society like our modern schools.

In cases like these I'm happy to use the books. On the other hand, our library seems full of modern books that show parents and stupid and thoughtless, and teachers as wise and caring. That rubs me the wrong way.
post #13 of 15
Well, if it's talking about school in Russia, wouldn't that be different enough from school here to not really be a problem?

I could see how cutesly little stories about making friends the first day of school could be problematic though.
post #14 of 15
It depends on what the message of the story is. For instance, I love Rosemary Wells but I don't check out her books that are about painting a rosy picture of school, which are really about reassuring/brainwashing kids who don't want to go, because I find it distasteful to make a story just for that purpose. If we accidently come across something like that, we talk about the author's motives, etc.

If on the other hand it's just an incidental part of the story, I don't mind at all. In the film My Neighbor Totoro there's a sweet, funny little scene that takes place in a classroom. The use of the classroom isn't to glorify it, but simply as a prop (others could have just as easily been used) for illustrating character issues that have nothing to do with school itself.
post #15 of 15
I would avoid it, not because I think it will "poison their minds" , but because it is something they can't quite relate too yet. As they get older it wouldn't bother me at all. However, if they were just DYING to read that book I would let them, but I wouldn't choose it myself.
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