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post #261 of 363
StacyL, thanks for that number of Veronicas. I called and got her voice mail, so she should call back soon.

I guess my biggest point of confusion at this point is if or how having a homebirth on standard is different from having a standard delivery at a "regular" clinic/hospital. Because I was told long ago that standard had a 0% cost share for maternity care and a 0% cost share for hospital delivery, minus the $14.80 per day for hospitalization.

But then the homebirth midwifes I have contacted said that the "average" amount the mother is responsible for after they bill standard is $500-$1000. : And that they charge for prenatal care and tricare only picks up 80% of the bill.

Has anyone actually got some hard BTDT figures for what is paid TOTAL for a tricare standard homebirth? No.
post #262 of 363
This is just absurd, Ulrike. I'm sorry you have to deal with all this b.s.

Hopefully they'll get you all squared away, but for Goodness sake - it's like they purposefully want to confuse everyone and make it as stressful as possible for you.

I'd love to say that I'll be contacting you next year to ask what finally worked (because it will all eventually work out!!!), but w/ my high risk status/premature deliveries, I'll never be able to have a homebirth.

Good luck!
post #263 of 363
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Originally Posted by momtoafireteam View Post
StacyL, thanks for that number of Veronicas. I called and got her voice mail, so she should call back soon.

I guess my biggest point of confusion at this point is if or how having a homebirth on standard is different from having a standard delivery at a "regular" clinic/hospital. Because I was told long ago that standard had a 0% cost share for maternity care and a 0% cost share for hospital delivery, minus the $14.80 per day for hospitalization.

But then the homebirth midwifes I have contacted said that the "average" amount the mother is responsible for after they bill standard is $500-$1000. : And that they charge for prenatal care and tricare only picks up 80% of the bill.

Has anyone actually got some hard BTDT figures for what is paid TOTAL for a tricare standard homebirth? No.

I have hard figures - since I did it.

$0

That is what I paid for my HB on Standard.

I don't know what the exact figure is that my MW was paid by Tricare for her services.

I even got my U/S for free because it was ordered by my PCM due to me being "advanced maternal age." I had it done on base, and then the next day switched to Standard and took the pictures and report to my MW, and saw her for the rest of my pg.
post #264 of 363
Sorry to keep bothering you StacyL. But was that a CNM or a different type of midwife? Does that even matter?

$0 sounds pretty good! I dont why they keep telling me to expect around $1000 then? I am still waiting for Veronica to call me back, I am looking forward to talking to her. Thanks for all your help!
post #265 of 363
Question...

If I want a homebirth w/ a non-Tricare CNM, who will not bill Tricare... how does that work?

We're Tricare Prime, and I spent an hour on the phone today w/ Whole Birth Midwifery (Lisa Block-Weiser, CNM, though I spoke w/ Lea - this is in Tucson) and they are awesome. I totally want them to help me deliver #3, but am not certain we can spring for $2600. Lea said we'd have to pay out of pocket, but we could apply for reimbursement.

Sooooo, any words of advice?
post #266 of 363
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Originally Posted by momtoafireteam View Post
Sorry to keep bothering you StacyL. But was that a CNM or a different type of midwife? Does that even matter?

$0 sounds pretty good! I dont why they keep telling me to expect around $1000 then? I am still waiting for Veronica to call me back, I am looking forward to talking to her. Thanks for all your help!

Sorry, I hadn't checked this thread in awhile so I hadn't seen your post.

My MW was a CNM. That's the only way Tricare will officially cover HB, but unofficially there have been a small handful of mamas here who have gotten reimbursement for a non-CNM MW.
post #267 of 363
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Originally Posted by bechand0128 View Post
Question...

If I want a homebirth w/ a non-Tricare CNM, who will not bill Tricare... how does that work?

We're Tricare Prime, and I spent an hour on the phone today w/ Whole Birth Midwifery (Lisa Block-Weiser, CNM, though I spoke w/ Lea - this is in Tucson) and they are awesome. I totally want them to help me deliver #3, but am not certain we can spring for $2600. Lea said we'd have to pay out of pocket, but we could apply for reimbursement.

Sooooo, any words of advice?
First of all, if you are Prime (and not Prime Remote, nor lacking L&D at your base) you won't get reimbursed a nickel.

If you ARE Prime Remote or have no L&D at your base, then the only way is to find a MW who will bill Tricare.

You could theoretically work with a MW who will not bill Tricare and then try to get reimbursed after the fact, but that is a $2,600 risk you would be taking. Why do it? Especially if you can find a MW who WOULD bill Tricare. Also, you have to remember that if you are going to pay the $2,600 up front, that will NOT be the amount you will get back. You will only get back the gov't. rate of reimbursement - around $1,500 or so.
post #268 of 363
None of the homebirthing MW's take Tricare. My other option is to give birth in a Birth Center - they take Tricare. Lots to think about.

We are Prime and or MTF has no L&D facilities.

We're expecting to have a bit more (monthly) cash come our way starting in Dec or Jan, and I could probably put a little bit away each month.

If I switched to standard, would they cover it then? I'm a little worried that something bad would happen - a hospital transfer or another emergency...
post #269 of 363
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Originally Posted by bechand0128 View Post
None of the homebirthing MW's take Tricare. My other option is to give birth in a Birth Center - they take Tricare. Lots to think about.

We are Prime and or MTF has no L&D facilities.

We're expecting to have a bit more (monthly) cash come our way starting in Dec or Jan, and I could probably put a little bit away each month.

If I switched to standard, would they cover it then? I'm a little worried that something bad would happen - a hospital transfer or another emergency...

The whole purpose of Standard under the Tricare system is to allow you to see ANY provider you want to - something that Prime will not allow you to do.

So, yes, it would still be 100% covered under Standard, but again, if you have found a MW who just refuses to bill Tricare for some reason, then that is not going to help you any. Also, if you made an emergency transfer in a HB, that is covered under either Prime or Standard.

I would ask these MW's specifically WHY they will not bill Tricare.
post #270 of 363
I'm glad I found this. I live where there is a L&D and still want to do a HB. Does Tricare still cover it even if you live in distance of a mil hospital that has L&D?
post #271 of 363
They say that they don't bill Tricare because Tricare won't reimburse them, or is really paltry in their reimbursements. I've only called the one - I guess there are 2 others.

I called the birth center, and they wouldn't take a verbal accounting of my previous births, medical history, etc. They wanted copies of both of my OB records, one of which I can't get. Not to mention, there is a lot of inaccuracies in the one I can get. "Possible" blood clot is marked as "dx blood clot 1/03" ... should be an easy fix - get copies of those records. But they were a combination of military records that disappeared in my divorce, and British records, and they just don't want to hand them over, I've tried. I don't want to be "disqualified" from having a birth center birth because a doc thought I had a blood clot wayyyy back when, or because my drs failed to treat infections that were causing preterm contrax and such.

Ugh. I'm going to try to get approved for a birth center delivery anyway, and call the other homebirth MWs, see where I get.
post #272 of 363
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Originally Posted by southernmommie View Post
I'm glad I found this. I live where there is a L&D and still want to do a HB. Does Tricare still cover it even if you live in distance of a mil hospital that has L&D?

Not on Prime - only if you switch to Standard. Very easy to do.
post #273 of 363
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Originally Posted by bechand0128 View Post
They say that they don't bill Tricare because Tricare won't reimburse them, or is really paltry in their reimbursements. I've only called the one - I guess there are 2 others.
Well, I'm sure Tricare WILL reimburse her, but it sounds like she doesn't like the rate, which is admittedly low. You could ask her what rate she would accept if you were to make up part of the difference out of pocket, but I would never pay full retail rate if she is accepting a partial reimbursement, but that's just me.

I would definintely look into those other MW's and ask them if they accept Tricare's reimbursement.
post #274 of 363
bechand0128, none of the homebirth MWs here take tricare either but I've been talking to a bunch of military spouse mamas that have used these MWs and all have had good reimbursements from tricare (covering a good majority of the cost). And these MWs are CPMs at that. Doesn't seem to be a problem here. HTH!
post #275 of 363
Where I'm at, it would cost me before Tricare is $3800. The homebirth clinic is full in December and January and they are the only ones here so I'm either stuck with a homebirth unassisted or the Birthing Center. Thanks for the info here though!
post #276 of 363
I have a question that's probably stupid, but... the CNM I have chosen requires full payment by 34 weeks. She cannot afford to accept Tricare's paultry payment, which I fully understand. So the plan is to pay in full by 34 weeks. She will have her billing company bill Tricare after the birth, for a reimbursement.

That being said, do Prime and Standard pay the same amounts?

Am I correct that you don't have to get a referral if you're on Standard?

Am I also correct that there is a chance that they may find some loophole and choose not to cover it if I go to Standard and don't get a referral?

And lastly, if I stay Prime and am able to get the referral, they absolutely MUST pay (their ridiculous rate, of course) for the birth, correct?
post #277 of 363
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Originally Posted by mom2mializ View Post
I have a question that's probably stupid, but... the CNM I have chosen requires full payment by 34 weeks. She cannot afford to accept Tricare's paultry payment, which I fully understand. So the plan is to pay in full by 34 weeks. She will have her billing company bill Tricare after the birth, for a reimbursement.

That being said, do Prime and Standard pay the same amounts?

Am I correct that you don't have to get a referral if you're on Standard?

Am I also correct that there is a chance that they may find some loophole and choose not to cover it if I go to Standard and don't get a referral?

And lastly, if I stay Prime and am able to get the referral, they absolutely MUST pay (their ridiculous rate, of course) for the birth, correct?
You need to call the supervisor in post #70 and ask her these questions. It will save you a lot of time.

I don't know if the reimbursements are different for Prime or Standard - if so, it won't be by much.

You don't need a referral on Standard. They will pay.

If you fit the criteria to get a referral on Prime and are able to get one - they must pay.
post #278 of 363
I'm sorry this is going to be really long. I stumbled across this thread today as a midwife looking for information about Tricare reimbursement. There are a lot of questions brought up about how payment works for midwives and I thought it might make things a little clearer if I explained it from the other side. I am not military so I'm not really up on the abbreviations, needs for referrals, and standard versus prime; but I do recall in general how the system works from my father being a career Naval officer.

First, I would like to say that dealing with insurance in general can be a nightmare. I do all of my own direct client billing and am perfectly capable of doing insurance billing myself, but it's worth it to me to pay someone else just to interface with insurance companies for me.

I am not a preferred/participating/in-network provider for any insurance company. This is because as an in-network provider I would have to sign a contract agreeing to be paid only what they choose to pay me. This is usually around half of my full fee (or "retail" fee as I've seen it referred to here). Providers and insurance companies both acknowledge that an in-network fee is considerably less than what services are actually worth, but in theory accepting the reduction is mutually beneficial since the provider makes up for this loss of income by receiving more patients through referrals from the insurance company. However, this arrangement assumes that there is enough demand for home births that my phone will be ringing off the wall with patients looking for an in-network provider for their insurance. This is not the case. Instead, I might get a call every couple of years from a Tricare patient looking for a midwife. In those cases, I would be working just as hard for that patient as I would for any other, but being paid only half. There is no incentive for me to do so.

I feel like my services are worth what they're worth, not what some insurance company feels like paying me. I will bill a patient's insurance, but if they do not pay my full fee then I do expect the patient to pay the balance. I don't see why it would be appropriate for me to lower that fee because the insurance company doesn't want to pay all of it. The total is the same fee that you would pay if you had no insurance reimbursement at all; at least if Tricare does pay your midwife that's ~$1400 less than others would have to pay out-of-pocket.

I think there are two issues here when wondering why a midwife won't take Tricare. The first is simply the hassle. Most insurance companies are a hassle to deal with; I will spend hours over the course of a patient's care simply taking care of insurance matters plus I pay out of pocket to have someone interface with the companies for me. Tricare will be a double hassle, considering that I might have to fight to get any payment on top of all the usual work of insurance filing.

Second is the reimbursement rate. With Tricare apparently any reimbursement hinges on what they consider to be a customary in-network rate. Remember that in-network rates are admittedly about half of a regular rate. So even if they pay 80%, they're only paying 80% of half of my fee.

What I have gathered is that Tricare occasionally pays CPMs, but only as an oversight. Even with a prior authorization number, I would expect Tricare to drag their feet on paying once they realize their mistake.

I will accept Tricare payments, but I will never be a contracted Tricare provider. The patient will need to pay the full fee up front and I will refund them any amount I am able to sqeeze out of Tricare. I know that this arrangement will be cost restrictive to many military families but I've got my own family that needs to be taken care of and I simply cannot afford financially, physically, or mentally to be working so hard for so little money.

I hope this helps to answer any questions about why home birth midwives don't "take" Tricare.
post #279 of 363
Not that I would begrudge MW's fair pay for their job, but after reading your post a question comes to mind: why would ANY medical professional accept the rate of ANY insurance company for their services if they could force the patient to make up the difference for the artificially inflated (nay, doubled) "retail" rate?

First of all, a MW cannot do this legally under Tricare's contract (hence, I assume, why you do not contract with Tricare) and so the only way to get the patient to agree is to sucker them into signing that contract promising to pay you the difference. But, doctors do not sucker patients into paying the difference - they accept the insurance rate. The only way they get retail is if a patient has no insurance. So, why should MW's be trying to collect retail rate and get around insurance by "not accepting" it?

P.S.

An afterthought:

If your demand for Tricare HB's really is only very rarely, then why wouldn't you accept the rate as a kind of quasi-pro bono work for our active duty military families who serve? Just askin'...
post #280 of 363
Doctors can afford to accept drastic rate cuts in exchange for "preferred provider" status. Most home birth practices do not do enough business to sustain themselves on those rates. Also keep in mind that insurance companies do pay for patients to see non-preferred providers, just the rates are usually higher. We're not trying to "get around" anything, we're just trying to get paid for our work.

Accusing midwives of artificially inflating our fees to accurately reflect the amount of work and care we provide to our clients is begrudging us fair pay for our jobs, and accusing us of having to "sucker" our clients into paying our fees is disrespectful and insulting.
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