complete mercury removal

[Sage10]

Hey there,

I have recently came across a product called NCD zeolite and it has had some miraculous claims which, as we all know, are common to both revolutionary health remedies and good scams. So now I'm trying to figure out which one of the two it is.

It is supposed to be very good for the removal of heavy metals and toxins. And it is upposed to have a particular affinity for mercury. Some people have in fact done DMPS challenge tests with this stuff and it has been shown to lower their levels significantly.

Has anyone had any experience with this product. Positive or negative, I would appreciate it if you share it with me.

Thank you

[JaneS]

See Moneca's recent post in "Chelating Mamas" thread. There was also a thread somewhere in Vaccinations forum I think...

[Sage10]

Yeah I've checked it out and I am quite impressed. What I want to know is if anyone else has had such great success with it. As alot of the claims somehow, almost seem too good to be true.

[moneca]

Honestly, I thought it sounded too good to be true too and blew it off. It wasn't until I went to the NCD autism yahoo group and read all the parents' reports of improvements that I decided to try it. There are about 9000 posts now and a small number of kids who didn't see results, but I would suggest digging through those posts starting with #1. Lots of those parents had doubts and aprehension since the group started shortly after the product had been put on the market :

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AutismNCD/

[Sage10]

Hey, that's great stuff!

I will definitely try it out and see how it works for me too.

Just one thing worries me though. I have heard some sources say mercury acts as an antibiotic and although it weakens your immune sytem, it keeps parasite populations in check and that removing the mercury will allow the parasites to multiply. So people should have that seen to first. Maybe a zapper would work?

I also understand that mercury symptoms are often more uncomfortable then a parasite infestations but this is noen-the-less something to take into account.

[moneca]

Hmmm... it does depress your immunity, but I had not heard of the parasite connection. I just happen to be doing Hulda Clark's parasite cleanse with black walnut hull tincture, wormwood, and cloves (can't do the first two if prego or bf). http://curezone.com/clark/parasites.asp It was suggested before her liver cleanse that I plan to do. I'm an outdoor girl and love on my dog all the time so I figured a parasite cleanse wouldn't hurt. Honestly, I'd take the parasites (as bad as they are) anyday over the mercury. I read about the zapper in her books, but with all my not so great experiences with energetic medicine I didn't take it too seriously.

[Sage10]

I've been on the zapper. And let me just say, try it! You usually experience improvements after the first day of treatment. It's amazing.
But I spoke with my ND and he said that he knows of a woman who is distributing it in my area but he also said that he has heard that generally, people who use NCD also need to do a parasite cleanse and taht the zapper is excellent for that.
I am still trying to figure out the definite connection between them though.

[Sage10]

That parasite cleanse sounds like it would benefit me immensely. But at the moment, I was told that I have a toxic liver and that I should be on liver supporting herbs for a while. Milk Thistle etc.

Can one do a parasite cleanse in this state or should I allow my liver some time to recover?

Do you know whether the NCD zeolite puts any additional strain on the liver? I heard that it is supposed to ENHANCE liver functions.

[moneca]

Originally Posted by Sage10

That parasite cleanse sounds like it would benefit me immensely. But at the moment, I was told that I have a toxic liver and that I should be on liver supporting herbs for a while. Milk Thistle etc.

Can one do a parasite cleanse in this state or should I allow my liver some time to recover?

Do you know whether the NCD zeolite puts any additional strain on the liver? I heard that it is supposed to ENHANCE liver functions.

Cure Zone has a number of liver flushes listed here:

http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp

I am going to do Hulda Clarks, but her's suggested to do a parasite and kidney cleanse before the liver flush. I'm on day 5 of the parasite cleanse right now. I almost didn't do one, but I love on dogs all the time and have done a bunch of camping where I just use one of those little hand pump camper's water filters to drink river and creek water. I figured I was a good candidate to have a parasite issue. I am usually very high energy - like swinging from my knees on the monkey bars when we go to the playground. The other mamas always look at me like I'm crazy and they don't even know I don't vax and drink raw milk - I'd be kicked out for sure. Anyway from day 2-4 I was so fatigued I didn't want to get up out of a chair or off the floor. She said the cleanse would cause some insomnia and that the yeast and bacteria inside the parasites would be released. I'm so glad I decided to do one. Dd and the dog are now on one too. I did a little research on parasites and mercury. I didn't find a lot, but consensus seems to be that those with mercury toxicity have parasite issues. Who knows - it could be more due to the fact that I've lived outdoors in the dirt since I was a kid and growing up didn't change anything .
I know a few natural options that have helped our livers since starting the chelation. I have been taking milk thistle or silymarin three times per day since April. About 3 months ago I started doing a topical liver castor oil pack that is supposed to detox the liver and stilmulate the immune system by acting on the lymph system. It seemed to help a little bit. When dd started the NCD she got horrible rashes and acne or her face and dark circles under her eyes after I ramped up the dose. I took this to mean that her liver was backed up and not able to handle the rate of detox she was at. I started her on the castor oil packs every night and the symptoms went away for the most part.
The NCD autism community uses a product called Liverlife that is composed of herbs and mushrooms in an alcohol tincture. They rave about it. It detoxes the liver, balances ph, improves liver function, improves the body's ability to absorb minerals, and improves pathways 1 and 2 of the liver detox pathways. You have to start really slow. It was amazing. I took her off the liver packs and just started her on the drops twice per day. Her skin looks awesome and I have some evidence that her utilization of minerals is improving. It also helped her sleeping. I'm taking the product also and like it. I cut out the milk thistle. You can find out more about it here :

www.bioray2000.com

Let me know if you want to order it and I can send you a link to a cheap place I order from. Yes, NCD is supposed to help the liver somewhat.

If I had to do it all over again knowing what I know now I would :

1) start liverlife (You may have to do this for several weeks due to the state of you liver before detoxing)

2) start NCD

3) have amalgams removed

4) Parasite cleanse

5) liver flush

[mombh]

Originally Posted by Sage10

I've been on the zapper. And let me just say, try it! You usually experience improvements after the first day of treatment. It's amazing.
But I spoke with my ND and he said that he knows of a woman who is distributing it in my area but he also said that he has heard that generally, people who use NCD also need to do a parasite cleanse and taht the zapper is excellent for that.
I am still trying to figure out the definite connection between them though.

I was looking at some zappers on ebay, since they are somewhat reasonable$$. I was wondering which zapper you have /recomend and why?
I'd really like to try this but am a bit confused as to which one to buy.:

[Sage10]

That Liverlife looks like some brilliant stuff and the NDF too actually. They actually provide clinical studies to show that NDF enhances heavy metal excretion whereas NCD does not. They also account for mercury excreted through the bowels which is also unique.

Although, according to some anecdotal reports. The NDF can be too hard a chelator for some. causing cracks on the tongue or 'detox symptoms'.

As for the parsite cleanse and the liver. There are TONS of conflicting viewpoints regarding this procedure. Although, Dr. Hulda Clarks treatment protocol places the parasite cleanse before the liver flush because of the possibility of parasites blocking hepatic ducts and excreting their own wastes etc. It makes sense. You can't get better if the root cause of your messed up liver is a huge worm in the way.

How are you finding the parasite cleanse so far? Increases in energy?? mental clarity?? any negative side effects?

[Sage10]

Mombh,

The zapper I used is caled the drivewr resonator and was manufactured here locally and can be quite expensinve. that is why I do it at the doctors office. I don't really have much experience with the other zappers but the doc did say that it usually takes other people a while longer to experience results on the other ones.

The difference being that most zappers only use one frequency whereas the driver uses 24 different ones. but I have spoken to people who have used those zappers and they HAVE reported feeling a lot better on the treatments.

Although you might experience immensely beneficial results if you use it often. And you will be able to use it as much as you like if you get your own one.

Try googling 'Ken Presner' and his 'Ultimate Zapper'. That has had VERY, VERY good reviews.

Otherwise, the most important things to keep in mind when purchasing a zapper is that you get one with electrodes ( and not the wriststraps). Paddles for the feet woud be a very big bonus. Battery powered zappers are generally less effective ( although they are the most popular). And check the frequency to determine if it is the same one that Hulda Clark recommended in her teachings.

[moneca]

Yes, there is a lot of info out there on different detox/chelation products. That is pretty gross to think of a liver fluke, but I rather get it out than just let it stay at home in my body. I'm hoping to get some visual results, but not expecting any since most are too small to see. After the third day my energy started to come back. Today is day 6 and the liver flukes are supposed to all be dead by today.

[Sage10]

I see. But the million dollar question is, do you FEEL better??

I often find that a huge amount of anecdotal reports gives me some more peace of mind than even clinical studies sometimes.

[moneca]

Originally Posted by Sage10

I see. But the million dollar question is, do you FEEL better??

I often find that a huge amount of anecdotal reports gives me some more peace of mind than even clinical studies sometimes.

Are you asking this about the parasite cleanse or the NCD?

I didn't feel bad before the parasite cleanse so nothing different. Just glad to be getting my energy back. The yeast symptoms are gone again as they were before the cleanse. With the NCD, I had been chelating for 8 months before I started taking it so my symptoms had already improved or resolved. I switched to that after seeing dd's amazing results and I liked the idea that it didn't pull minerals like the DMSA I was taking. I believe in it because of dd's toxic panel while on it and her gains that we had not seen in two years. I'll be sending my own panel in April before we even think of ttc.

I do understand your point. We tried so many natural supplements and alternative therapies for dd based on other peoples' experiences and none of it ever helped her dramatically until the NCD. Sometimes it's a crap shoot to find the one that helps YOU.

[Sage10]

Amen,

That is very true. Although I must agree that there are some super supplements out there. Supplements that tend to help the majority of people who use it. I think NCD zeolite may be one of them.

With regards to theparasite cleanse, I recently did some reading on mediherb and you'l be shocked to see how many of the herbs sold in natural health stores do not live up to the label claims. Like they would substitute cheaper herbs into the formula or the actual herbs themselves would contain such a small amount of active ingredients that it couldn't even cause a placebo effect. Just makes one wonder whether we are all getting the right stuff in our supplements.

It would be a good idea to make sure that your stuff is high potency.

[moneca]

Originally Posted by Sage10

With regards to theparasite cleanse, I recently did some reading on mediherb and you'l be shocked to see how many of the herbs sold in natural health stores do not live up to the label claims. Like they would substitute cheaper herbs into the formula or the actual herbs themselves would contain such a small amount of active ingredients that it couldn't even cause a placebo effect. Just makes one wonder whether we are all getting the right stuff in our supplements.

It would be a good idea to make sure that your stuff is high potency.

Yup. That is why I bought all my herbs for the cleanse from Dr. Clark's site.

[Sage10]

Good idea,

Buying herbs these days is much like playing the lottery. I get alot of mine from Mediherb.


And Maybe you just have a robust immune system but generally people feel a HUGE difference while on the parasite cleanse.

[moneca]

Could be the immune system, but I think it is more due to the fact that I had all my amalgams removed 18 months ago and have been chelating for 10 months. From what I've read parasites and bacteria are attracted to mercury. All three of those are very destructive to the body. Hopefully by chelating and supporting my body through traditional foods eating I was able to reduce the bacteria, yeast, and parasites a bit. It's anybody's guess.

[Taedareth]

I am doing Hulda Clark's parasite cleanse also, as per the articles I read on this website: Intro to Parasites

I bought the Black Walnut Hull tincture, clove capsules, and wormwood capsules from Wilderness Family Naturals. Also in case anyone is curious, another mama here on MDC told me her naturopath put her on a parasite cleanse containing all of the above and said it was fine for nursing mothers. The woman said her nursling experienced a little diarrhea but otherwise was fine. I did some online research about these herbs and turned up the following:

Black walnut hull – safe laxative, though may stop lactation.
Cloves – There is insufficient evidence for cloves and its use in pregnancy or nursing.
Wormwood – Wormwood should not be used by nursing mothers nor taken during pregnancy, as it is a uterine stimulant and can cause spontaneous abortion.

So it would be dangerous to do a parasite cleanse containing wormwood during pregnancy, but as the mother of a 13 month nursling, I'm not too worried about drying up my milk. I'm drinking lots of water and mother's milk tea. But if I develop any supply problems, I'll reevaluate.

We're on day one. If anyone is curious, i can post updates as we get further into the cleanse