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post #1 of 10
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DS will be born with a cleft lip/palate and will be unable to create suction, ergo unable to latch to nurse. i want to pump, but failed miserably with DD to get any production through pumping. any tips? DS will be here in the next few weeks and i'm really starting to try to figure out what I can do to get production from the pump. I'll be renting a hospital grade pump (a lactina i think) and am currently doing 100oz/day of water to keep well hydrated. what else can i do?

i plan to pump within the first two hours of birthing DS (barring any unforeseen complications).

a couple specific questions: does double pumping produce better results? i only ever pumped one side at a time with DD and never got more than a couple oz total.

how often should i pump?

should i get a script for domperidone and have it ready?

any advice is appreciated! i want him to get all the "liquid gold" he can!
post #2 of 10
Every pump is different. Lots of people love the PIS, I despise it. I have had great results with a mixture of the Avent Isis manual and the WhisperWear battery-operated hands free.

I tend to need a distraction, like the computer or the TV. Watch a good program, suddenly I look down and the bottle is full.

Good luck and keep us posted!
post #3 of 10
good on you for planning ahead!

here are my tips:
pump - definitely hospital grade electric. the lactina is good but some mothers find it a little harsh. if you can rent at first and try both the medela symphony and medela lactina and then purchase your choice of pump, it would be better.
as for double versus single: i read somewhere that double pumping is generally more effective in keeping your supply up. personally, it did not make a difference for me. i actually found pumping one side at a time was more effective.

pumping schedule - in the early days, you may want to try hand expressing the colostrum and syringe feeding, instead of pumping it out. there are a few reasons for this:
*you will lose alot of colostrum in the pump and at the bottom of the bottle as it is quite thick and not runny at all.
*you will get more with hand expressing.
*hand expressing is kinder to your nipples.
*you are stimulating the breast in a way the pump cannot.
*you have the added bonus of learning to hand express which is valuable later on.

once your milk starts to come through, you should start to pump every 1.5-2 hours. do not go longer than this as you NEED to mimic a baby's natural feeding pattern to build and maintain your supply.

pumping technique - either double pumping or pumping one side at a time. if pumping one side at a time:
step one: pump one breast till the milk stops flowing
step two: take the horn off and massage that breast and try to hand express for a few minutes
*put the horn on the other breast and repeat steps one and two.
*keep repeating till you can no longer pump with any result (usually about 30 minutes)

you can move the angle of the horn to try and reach all the ducts, while pumping. you can also try breast compression while pumping. that will sometimes help stimulate another let down. the goal is to get as many letdowns as possible, as you will get around 1oz of milk with each letdown.

while pumping - you will need to keep your children occupied while pumping. the babe you are pumping for will be alot harder to keep occupied. sometimes the baby will be awake, sometimes asleep, sometimes crying. i generally do not like to keep a baby crying for the sake of pumping (and that's probably why i had trouble keeping up my supply with pumping alone). i would either sit there and talk to my dd, shake a rattle in front of her to get her attention and focusing on that, turn the vacuum cleaner on and she would quiet down, use a white noise cd, put music with drum beating on very loudly etc. if someone can help you, PLEASE take advantage of it. let them hold the baby while you pump. when you pump in peace you are more likely to get more milk. anxiety about the baby crying or waking up soon does not help the let down reflex or the milk flowing in general. i know i was alot more relaxed when i knew that my dd was safe in someones arms as opposed to her being on the couch asleep, ready to wake up any minute. it caused alot of anxiety because i put a time limit on myself and needed to meet 8oz before that deadline was over. very stressful and it didn't help at all. while you are pumping it is also helpful to focus on something else other than the milk in the bottle. watch tv, read a book, put your fav music on and sing out aloud like you are on stage, or go online. do ANYTHING but look at the bottle. think good thoughts. and have a peice of chocolate while you pump. it's not the most pleasant thing in the world to be attached to a plastic horn that is tugging at your nipple.. so treat yourself!
i have noticed when i am warmer, i get more milk. so it's worth it to be comfortable and warm and not try to pump in the cold.

things you can take to increase pumping output -
fenugreek (9000mg daily worked for me)
blessed thistle
drink mothers milk tea
eat plenty of oatmeal
and do get a prescription for domperidone. better yet, buy the domperidone ahead of time just in case you need to wait a while to get some in the mail.

a note on bottles - i would use glass bottles for storing breastmilk and for feeding. plastic bottles leach a toxic chemical into the milk. most glass bottles have a standard top that will screw onto the pump directly.

nourishing yourself - first and foremost, you need to nourish yourself. pumping uses up more than just calories, but mental energy as well, as it is quite hard. take good quality vitamins and plan to have little to no prep healthy snacks on hand. unsalted nuts like almonds, walnuts and macadamia's are good. have good quality milk ready to mix with fresh fruit to make a high calorie smoothie. milk and muesli is good - high calorie and you sneak in some oatmeal. maybe you can post in the nutrition section of mothering for more ideas? if you can cook and freeze foods from now, it would be great for when lunchtime comes around and your still in your pj's with unbrushed teeth, you need to pump, you have a baby crying in the background and a toddler running rampant through the house. of course, that could just be my house and no one elses.

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take time to rest. prolactin is highest after a good rest.
let your expectations of what a house should be like, slide. don't put too much pressure on yourself and get your partner to take over the other household tasks that you deem neccessary as being done daily. honestly, everything else can wait.
as for water intake, i found that taking in 4.5L (160oz) every 24 hours works best for me. it sounds like alot but each body uses water differently.

look up pumping on www.kellymom.com. they have lots of great advice.

goodluck mama. your son is lucky to have you! and whatever happens in the end, know you did everything in your power to give your son the best.
post #4 of 10
oh, i forgot to add - join the pumping mothers tribe. they will have more advice based on experience (some have been pumping for months and know alot of tricks). i've only been pumping for 8 weeks and am currently trying to get my dd back onto the breast.
post #5 of 10
I agree, great job at planning ahead--it's hard to find information once you're in the thick of it.

I've been pumping exclusively for 13 months. Mamamelia has some great suggestions. I think the things that have been most instrumental to me have been: having help (there's NO way I could have done this without having help with my 2 under 2 : ) being warm/using warm compresses, using breast compression, and doing something relaxing/entertaining while pumping. Doing something where I have to really think, even having a conversation, makes me cranky.

And try not to be dismayed if your supply can't keep up. I say try, because having to supplement has been very hard for me. While many women can sustain a full supply through pumping, some cannot.

Oh, and the link to the exclusively pumpers tribe is in my signature.
post #6 of 10
I would strongly recommend the best electric double pump you can afford. And that you use the Marmet / massage technique to maximize production while pumping.

Also, at the risk of sounding like a naive little miss suzy sunshine, would I be crazy to suggest that you try nursing? I would put DC to the breast within minutes of birth, unless there was some sort of medical emergency, and just see what happens. I'm sure it's rare but I have read about (and seen pictures of) cleft palate babies that successfully nursed.

Perhaps you could nurse him part time, even if he doesn’t get a lot of milk, and depending upon when he has corrective surgery you might be able to gradually nurse him more and more often afterwards. Just a thought.

Here are some links. Good luck, ~Cath

Mom's Milk Matters Breastfeeding a Baby With Cleft Lip or Cleft Palate http://breastfeed.com/resources/articles/momsmilk.htm …Breastfeeding and Cleft Palate
Babies born with a cleft palate are less likely to breastfeed directly from their mother's breast. Information on this topic at Cleft Advocate indicates that breastfeeding a baby with a cleft palate is difficult. The palate is what allows for suction, so when there is a hole in it, the suction needed for breastfeeding is compromised.
"Very few children with cleft palate are successful with direct breastfeeding as their sole source of nutrition," says Mackin. "A good analogy is that of trying to suck through a straw that has a hole in it: You can latch onto it correctly, suck very hard and still not get enough liquid to fill yourself up."
Mackin explains that these babies tend to burn more calories trying to breastfeed than what they take in. For a baby who is likely preparing for surgery, gaining weight is of utmost importance.

Other Options "We strongly encourage mothers of babies with cleft palate who want to breastfeed to start pumping immediately," says Mackin. "They can provide their babies with breast milk through a special cleft palate bottle. ***We also encourage Mom to put the baby to her breast for the sense of closeness and suckling it provides."***

Cleft Lip / Palate Resources
http://www.kellymom.com/babyconcerns/bfhelp-cleft.html

Breastfeeding a Cleft Lip-Palate Baby
http://cleft.org/breastfeeding.htm The soft breast is ideal for the baby's mouth. The flexibility of the breast allows it to be molded to compensate for abnormalities of the baby's lip or mouth. The baby has more control over the flow of milk and the position of the breast in his/her mouth. Early practice helps baby imprint on the breast.
Although choking due to milk leakage into the nose is a common problem when there is an opening in the soft or hard palate, human milk is a natural bodily fluid that is not irritating to the mucous membranes. Therefore, breastmilk is the optimal choice for feeding a cleft lip or palate baby.
post #7 of 10
hi. i just saw this, so i hope you're still checking it. my son (almost 3 now) was born with cleft lip and palate. i pumped for 14 months for him. it was a lot of work but i felt it was worth it. here are a few tips and feel free to pm me if you have any questions about pumping or cleft lip and palate

definitely rent the hospital pump. i tried at one point to use a pis, but my supply dropped and i went back to the hospital pump

definitely double pump, it's much more effective.

make some hands free nursing bras. my favorite was to take a tank top with a built in bra and cut slits in the bra part.... then there are different kinds of pump horns, some are all one piece and some you can take apart. if you can find the take apart ones, they are easier to fit through the holes in your bra. once you are hands free, you can relax more.

relax relax relax. the more you stress, the less milk you will be able to pump. try to have a pump spot, in a comfy location, keep your stuff set up so that it's less work. i would set up my son in a bouncy chair in front of me and entertainn him while i pumped. when he was old enough to take the haberman easily, i'd feed him there too.

have extra sets of pump stuff so you don't have to constantly wash them

at first you really need to get up in the night and pump. it's really tough becauase you will have to pump and then feed him, and it can be difficult at first for him to eat (most likely) due to his palate. after awhile i cut back to only pumping in the day once my supply was good.

just hang in there. that first year was tough. you have the added strain of pumping and then you have the emotional strain of dealing with the cleft and surgeries. it seriously will be all right though take care of yourself so you can take care of your kids.

let me know if i can help in any way!
leah
post #8 of 10
It is so great that you are planning ahead for exclusive pumping!

I had twins at 31 weeks and had to establish my milk supply with a pump (using only one breast) and it worked! I use the PIS-Advanced. These other mama's posted above have great advise. Exclusive pumping takes on a life-style of its own so here are some added tips:

Herbs that may decrease milk supply: http://www.kellymom.com/herbal/herbs_to_avoid.html

Glass bottles with the lowest shipping I could find:
http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/pr.../ct/4/pid/1267
(The nipples that come with them are latex, so you'll want to buy silicone to use with a new baby. The 8 oz size are great for storing milk in the fridge--I have 9 of those, but the 4 oz size work better early on and can double as feeding bottles.)

Hands free pumping with no special expensive bra:
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/pumping/h...e-pumping.html

Buy plenty of pump horns. If you use a Medela pump, extra horns can be purchased at Target. I have 8 total and for me it was worth the investment so I don't have to be washing them out constantly. That is enough for me to make it through the day and pop them in the dishwasher once a day. Also though, you can just rinse them out and keep them stored in the fridge between pumpings and then just wash them once a day. I know other mamas do this too and our babies don't get sick.

Medela makes a special nipple for feeding babies with cleft palates/lips, and will have to be special ordered (if nipple feeding is a possibility).

Also, we got some good quality bouncy chairs (with correct back and head support) used on ebay that I can put the babies in while I pump and then easily bounce with my feet. The babies love them! (Baby Bjorn bouncy chair--nice cloth and even comes with wood bears on the toy bar--no plastic crap!)

With all this being said...I'm an OB nurse and have known of babies to be able to latch on the the breast with clefts. I know trying to do so is advocated by breastfeeding specialists because the maleable breast tissue can often fill the gap and some babies can even feed best by the breast.

Come over to the MDC "exclusive pumpers tribe" and find tons more great advise & support.

Best of luck to you!
post #9 of 10
IME and from what I have read, double pumping does help to increase production. Much more effective than one side at a time. Since you will be establishing your supply with the pump, I suggest renting a Medela Classic or Symphony.

Don't go into it assuming low supply. If you do need a med, Domperidone can be tricky to fill depending on the number of compounding pharmacies in the area that carry the chemical. So even if you don't have a scipt ready (you may not need it) it is wise to call around and see where you could get it filled it it came to that. 3 years ago in Seattle, I could get it at only 2 pharmacys in the entire county. I have heard it has become more difficult to obtain as well.
post #10 of 10
For those of you who pumped for 13 mo. and also had twins, how much milk do you express at this point. I think it is wonderful that you have pumped for so long. I didn't find out that my twins had a high pallate and that is what affected my supply until the babies were 10 mo. In the meantime, they have been stuck on the SNS. It has killed my supply. How do I get to the point where you are with just pumping? Do you think I can do it? I have a hospital grade pump. I pump about 5-6 x's in a 24 hr. period. I only get about 2 oz. in a 24 hr. period. My babies get 20 oz. each from the SNS in a 24 hr. period (bummer). Any suggestions for getting my supply back up. Do you think I can do it? My twins are 13 mo. I just want to do this because bm is so good for them. I had tons of milk in the beginning. It was just this pallate problem that brought this all on. I nursed 2 other babies for almost three years. So this has been so hard. Thank you for whatever info you may have.

Anne
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