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post #1 of 40
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Right now I don't like my dd or the way she behaves much. I love her dearly, but sometimes I just don't like her.

She is mean, rude, argumentative, and just plain nasty to her sisters. She throws a fit when she is asked to do anything around the house and if I "ask" she tells me no. I don't want to be rude and demand she do things, but by asking nicely she thinks she has a choice.

Take last night for instance. My 3 year old is sick. She was on the floor crying her eyes out. I thought if I got her ready for bed and let her lay in my bed watching cartoons I could take care of the baby. The problem is the baby was crying too. So I told DD#1 that, "It would be nice if you would hold DS while I take care of your sister." She looked at me, went in her room and shut the door. After another minute of crying I went in and got her and told her to hold her brother. She said, you didn't tell me to hold him, you said it would be nice and I choose not to. WTF????

DH is working swing. I can barely cope when he is on swing shift but now DD#1 is refusing to help at all and adding to my stress level with her nastiness.

She says it is not her responsibility to watch "my kids." Umm you are part of this family and it IS your responsibility to watch your siblings when I ask and to help out with the house. She seems to think that the only thing she has to do is sit on her butt and watch TV or play games.

I am not exactly sure what to do about it. I have enough stress with the two little ones, but when she starts fighting with DD#2 and telling her she hates her or she wishes she would die it infuriates me. DD#2 told me the other day that DD#1 told her she wishes her glasses would break and poke her in the eye. Who says something like this to someone???

Then of course DH is not help with her because he is TOO strict and I find myself taking him aside and telling him not to yell at her in front of guests, or her friends for ridiculous reasons. Or today she stayed home from school sick so he tells her since she is too sick for school she can't watch TV? Hello you don't punish people for being sick. So she is getting mixed messages but often I will resend what DH says because he is being a hard A$$ so maybe this is why she is pushing EVERYTHING to the limit. I don't know I think I am rambling now. Any advise would be appreciated. 3 months 2 weeks left of DH's 4 months on Swing. ARGG!!!!
post #2 of 40
I think our DD's would get along well

Mine tried that "You only had me so you'd have a babysitter for the rest!" I think it's that age. I know there are plenty of parents who have minimal problems with their preteens and teens, but some kids just have a harder time with the hormones and stuff. My DD currently gets serious computer time lost if she talks to her siblings like that (and trust me, she can be just as viscious as you describe), but not much else phases her. She kicks holes in her walls too. On the upside to that, I've gotten good at patching
post #3 of 40
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Originally Posted by Synthea™ View Post
She kicks holes in her walls too. On the upside to that, I've gotten good at patching
Perhaps it's time for her to get good at patching?

Seriously, don't yell or freak out, just say "Okay, tomorrow we'll go get a sheet of drywall and some drywall mud and you'll learn how to patch holes in walls. You make 'em, you fix 'em."

Back to the OP's issue: Maybe your daughter wants you to just say "Do this"? Not in a mean or rude way, but direct and to the point. Try that and see if it helps...things aren't likely to get any worse plus you might get stuff accomplished more quickly.
post #4 of 40
One thing I've learned with my kids (almost 10 and almost 14) is that if I want them to do anything, I cannot suggest it, I have to state it clearly as something they are required to do.

When you say, "It would be nice if you..." you're giving her a way out, really, in her 9 yr old brain. Thus, when you confront the issue because she isn't responding the way you want her to, it becomes a fight.

Instead, if you say, "I need your help for a minute. Please hold your brother while I get your sister taken care of," you eliminate the confusion of whether she has a choice in this matter. You require her help. She is part of a family. Family helps each other.

It doesn't have to be some military demand or without compassion or sensitivity when you state these requirements to your daughter...I've often had to say to my son (he's the oldest), "I know you don't want to do this, but right now I need your help, so please get to it..." and he has responded very well to that.

Also, and I'm sure you know this, but 9 yr old girls are already beginning the crazy hormone cycling that will plague them (and their parents) for the next several years until their bodies regulate themselves. I noticed it with my daughter shortly after her 9th birthday...once a month, around the same time each month, she would be extremely moody, surly, sensitive, annoying and it took me a while to catch on. She hasn't started her period yet, so it didn't occur to me that she was cycling through the highs and lows of pre-pubescent hormonal challenges. Once I realized that was a part of it, my mind was set at ease some.

I hope your daughter outgrows her attitude...I know how tough it can be.
post #5 of 40
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Originally Posted by cjanelles View Post
Also, and I'm sure you know this, but 9 yr old girls are already beginning the crazy hormone cycling that will plague them (and their parents) for the next several years until their bodies regulate themselves. I noticed it with my daughter shortly after her 9th birthday...once a month, around the same time each month, she would be extremely moody, surly, sensitive, annoying and it took me a while to catch on. She hasn't started her period yet, so it didn't occur to me that she was cycling through the highs and lows of pre-pubescent hormonal challenges. Once I realized that was a part of it, my mind was set at ease some.
I guess I forgot to state her age. She is 13. DD#2 is 8, dd#3 is 3 and DS is 3 months. Aww to be dealing with a 9 year old again. One can only dream.
post #6 of 40
I don't know if it will work for you, but it sure did work for us: Get Rid of the TV! The more TV my 13 year old watched, the worse her attitude. And it didn't seem to matter *what* she watched--whether it was "educational," teen/tween shows, Nickelodeon, PBS, whatever. There's something about the TV that makes her brain come unglued. We have now been TV-free for 10 months, with the exception of movies on DVD, and she is much better behaved. I realize that it's not a good move for every family, but I wouldn't change a thing now.
post #7 of 40
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I don't know if it will work for you, but it sure did work for us: Get Rid of the TV! The more TV my 13 year old watched, the worse her attitude. And it didn't seem to matter *what* she watched--whether it was "educational," teen/tween shows, Nickelodeon, PBS, whatever. There's something about the TV that makes her brain come unglued. We have now been TV-free for 10 months, with the exception of movies on DVD, and she is much better behaved. I realize that it's not a good move for every family, but I wouldn't change a thing now.

Well DH did only giver her 2 hours a day and 1 hour to my 8 year old but that was months ago and things slacked off after the baby was born. Maybe I will be more strict about the time limits again and see what happens. And by TV he meant anything that ran on the TV, be it TV, DVDs, or Video games. Haha, my 8 year old tried to get around it by playing the game boy.
post #8 of 40
Wow, I can relate. My daughter was almost nine when first little brother was born, and 11 1/2 when the second brother came along. Luckily she was still in that wonderful helpful phase while they were infants and toddlers. I could not have survived without her, and I am not exaggerating! But now that they are 16, 7 and 4 1/2, she has a TERRIBLE ATTTITUDE! She used to play with them, take them outside, really, really care about them. She was like a second mother.

Now (probably starting when she was about 14) she is willing to babysit--IF it entails sitting in the office on the computer with music blasting, while the boys watch TV!
post #9 of 40
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So I told DD#1 that, "It would be nice if you would hold DS while I take care of your sister." She looked at me, went in her room and shut the door. After another minute of crying I went in and got her and told her to hold her brother. She said, you didn't tell me to hold him, you said it would be nice and I choose not to. WTF????
FWIW, I don't really have any answers for the rest of your issues, but I can sympathize with your dd on this one. People requesting things from me without actually requesting them (ie. "it would be nice if...") drive me nuts. They put my back up and I sometimes have trouble being civil. I think you'd be better off to just flat out ask/tell in the "please hold ds while I take care of your sister" fashion.

Of course, that assumes that your dd responds to the "non-request request" the same way that I do. This could just be hormonal snarkiness.
post #10 of 40
Storm Bride, that is a good point. I am guilty of the same thing. I would say I "wish" dd would do something, or it would be "great" if she did something. And she never does, and I resent it! But a couple of times, I tried, "I need to take their kids to _________ now, so please hang the laundry on the drying rack so it won't get wrinkled. (Some of it is your stuff.)" That works so much better than, "It would be nice if..."
post #11 of 40
I have to agree with Storm about how you tell her.........

You didn't tell her you gave her an option. She took the option that you didn't want her to take. : That can be like running your head into a wall.
post #12 of 40
My boy is only 7, but I have often said that he is very much like a short teenager . If there is something I need him to do, I tell him what I need, I don't ask. I only ask if I am genuinely giving him a choice. I know it seems nicer to ask, but frankly if you give kids the choice to say no, you cannot be upset when they do.
I was an extremely moody teen, but I took it out on my Dad (poor guy, I've said before that he seriously suffered, I got my first period just as my mom got pregnany with my youngest brother...Dad's lucky to have survived), not my much younger brothers. It seems like your dd has some issues with anger that she is displacing onto her younger siblings because she is not able to vent it out on someone with more authority. If your dh is really hard on her, she might be taking that out on the "weaker" sibling. IMHO I would perhaps look into getting her some counselling, someone she can vent to without fear that she'll be in trouble for her feelings. Also I think you and dh need to sit down together and come up with a plan that brings your differing parenting styles to a happy medium.
Another thing that I have been told works great with teens is to write a contract with her. For example, if there are things you need her to do to help out in the evenings then write that into the contract, but there has to be some kind of reward in it for her. Once it's written and signed, then everyone has to agree to adhere to it, and if she breaks her end then she does not get the reward (that goes both ways too).
Oh god...I am so not looking forward to the teen years...my dd (now 23 mos) is a total copy of me in looks and temperment
post #13 of 40
I agree with the previous comments about your wording - to me, "It would be nice if...." is neither a clear statement nor a request...it's just a wishful little comment that's easy to ignore, and builds resentment on both parts.

There's truly nothing impolite about asking someone directly for something that you need them to do! In fact, it's good modelling, if you want her to grow into a woman who communicates her needs directly instead of the traditional passive-aggressive female thing ;-)
post #14 of 40
I guess, in retrospect, I was lucky! When ds was two or three, and little ds was an infant, dd was still a preteen. She always rescued me when both boys needed something at the same time! I did not even have to ask OR tell her. She really put her brothers' needs first.

But now, her attitude is exactly that all she is supposed to do is go on the computer and play loud music. She will watch the boys whenever she is home and I need to go either to the gym or my new tutoring job. But she does the absolute minimum. At 4 1/2 and 7, they basically watch tv and play video games when she is "watching" them, and I don't feel comfortable asking for more, because I can't afford to pay for her babysitting, as I used to. (Of course, back then, she worked very hard and deserved every penny.) And I am actually grateful to have her there, even if she is just filling the role of "responsible adult".

But I am starting to get tired of doing everything around the house. I know I have to work on getting ALL the kids to help out. I doubt I can do that unless I break a leg or something.
post #15 of 40
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You know, I am thinking that DD's attitude has really gotten bad in the last two to three months. So I am thinking, new friends? But duh!! New brother? Yes. I thought it would be the younger ones that had problems adjusting, but I am now thinking that maybe the baby DOES have something to do with the attitude problems.

Today my mom even turned around and told her she was getting sick of her attitude. You know it must be bad if grandma says something.

My mom picked her up after school because I had to go out of town to get DH a pair of pants for a presentation he has to give tomorrow. DD got pissed off because I didn't take her and buy her new pants too. I don't have any money. I put a pair of jeans and two shirts on my CC for her the other day because she needed cloths and I told her we would get a few more things when we got more money. But apparently if I can afford to buy DH a pair of pants I should be able to buy her more clothes too.

Also, after two years I have finally gotten around to putting family pictures up on the walls. DD got pissed off because I put pictures of DH's family and DH up on the wall. He is not her dad and she doesn't want to look at him/his family. (My ex-idiot left when I was three months pregnant and I haven't heard from him since.) She then went on to tell me I better not put picture of her up on the wall. Sigh.

Today, I told her she had a week to straighten up her attitude or she was going to loose all her privileges and have to earn them back one at a time. She then looks at me and says, So were YOU perfect when you were my age? WTF?? She made no effort to be nice at all after that.

I am not sure what to do with her at all.
post #16 of 40
I would still recommend being straight up about what you need/expect from her, one at a time.

I know that when I was that age a general admonishment to 'straighten up my attitude' or 'quit it with that tone of voice' would leave me feeling really put upon and aggrieved, because it was just so general - what do you mean you don't like my whole attitude or my whole tone of voice?? It's probably not fair to create such a general expectation (improved attitude) that, if not met, will lead to nasty consequences (losses of undefined privileges). At her age she's probably thinking, okay, so how is my mom going to measure that? She wants me to be perfect? How will I know if my 'attitude' meets standards? What will she take away if it's not?

Yes, you can tell it's become a global issue, but baby steps might still be a good idea in terms of fixing it, instead of creating a power struggle. Both of you could work on your communication and using direct statements to tell the other person what you want or need. As I suggested above, this is a really good skill for a woman to have!!

...I know it's difficult, but to an outsider at least, it sounds like both of you are really communicating with each other very indirectly and ineffectively. You say "It would be nice if..." when you want her to do something, or "Improve in general or else...", while when she has a problem and doesn't feel as valued as other family members, whether your husband or her new little brother, she flips out about what seem like trivial things, or demands material proof that you love her, like new jeans. Maybe this is an opportunity for both of you to work on direct communication of needs.
post #17 of 40
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hmm Thanks for the advice...it is something to think on for the rest of the day.

I did define the punishment however...TV, phone, video, games, friends. My idea was for every day she was pleasant, she would earn them back for the next day.

I will think on how to better word my expectations...
post #18 of 40
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You know, I am thinking that DD's attitude has really gotten bad in the last two to three months. So I am thinking, new friends? But duh!! New brother? Yes. I thought it would be the younger ones that had problems adjusting, but I am now thinking that maybe the baby DOES have something to do with the attitude problems.

Today my mom even turned around and told her she was getting sick of her attitude. You know it must be bad if grandma says something.

My mom picked her up after school because I had to go out of town to get DH a pair of pants for a presentation he has to give tomorrow. DD got pissed off because I didn't take her and buy her new pants too. I don't have any money. I put a pair of jeans and two shirts on my CC for her the other day because she needed cloths and I told her we would get a few more things when we got more money. But apparently if I can afford to buy DH a pair of pants I should be able to buy her more clothes too.

Also, after two years I have finally gotten around to putting family pictures up on the walls. DD got pissed off because I put pictures of DH's family and DH up on the wall. He is not her dad and she doesn't want to look at him/his family. (My ex-idiot left when I was three months pregnant and I haven't heard from him since.) She then went on to tell me I better not put picture of her up on the wall. Sigh.

Today, I told her she had a week to straighten up her attitude or she was going to loose all her privileges and have to earn them back one at a time. She then looks at me and says, So were YOU perfect when you were my age? WTF?? She made no effort to be nice at all after that.

I am not sure what to do with her at all.
Does your DD get an allowance? I started my DD's last week. She's been an ANGEL. Goes to bed on time, only grumbles a little when I tell her to do things, has been a lot more friendly. So, I had to buy her off at $10/week, but wow. She's a new kid.

Aside from that, I take away privileges right away. I'm not the end all be all of motherhood here, but I think if the kid has to earn them back, instead of working so they don't lose them, it'll be better....incentive.
post #19 of 40
Oh my gosh, I was coming on to post about my 9 year old. I am so fed up with the attitude. I can't believe that it's only going to get worse.
post #20 of 40
Your girl and my girl should like totally go to the mall and like hang out together. At aeropostale.

Ugh i know just what you are going through. My 12 year old dd thinks she's 24, and the mouth! She is at times, so rude. And does not want to have anything to do with any of us, ever.

Just last night she was leaving for a retreat. It's supposed to be in the single digits, and i told her she had to take a coat. So she was all pissed off because i was making her pack her coat. So when it's time to leave, i said, "bye, have fun, i love you." She ignored me, i said i love you again and she said. "Hmph! Well how nice for you." :

So yeah, no real advice here for you, but i can totally empathize...
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