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WWYD if you had a child with lung issues?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Ds is almost 2 and 100% unvaxed. When doing my research I looked at each disease and each vaccine and compared how likely it would be for him to get each disease and then how likely it would be for him to suffer severe complications if he did get it. I looked at how likely it would be for him to have a reaction/life long chronic health condition from each vaccine. I came to the conclusion that being as he is a healthy child, he could handle the diseases if he contracted them.

Now, I'm not so sure. When he was 4 months old he had RSV and had mild pneumonia in one lung and bronchiolitis. He had to have albuterol nebulizer treatments or he would be gasping for air and turning red. He went about a year before he got another cold, that one was pretty mild, had to have a few albuterol treatments but he recovered quickly. I started working in daycare when he was 18 months old and he ended up with a cold and what we think was either the flu or maybe pertussis. Both times he had to have nebulizer treatments. When he had the flu/pertussis/whatever it was he almost stopped breathing. We ended up taking him to the ER because he coughed so hard all day long and all night long one day. He was suffering and it was unbearable. They gave him lidocaine breathing treatments, codeine cough syrup, etc. and nothing seemed to really help. He finally got to sleep that night after we got home and I gave him a mega dose of Sodium Ascorbate before he fell asleep. The next morning he was ok, he was coughing a little throughout the day. At the ER, the nurses were concerned that he had pertussis, because none of the asthma treatments were working and neither was the cough syrup, they also thought his cough sounded very spastic like pertussis. We really will never know what it was he had. I gave him tons of sodium ascorbate and elderberry/echinacea/honey cough syrup and within 2 weeks he was well.

After seeing him suffer so badly that one day, I'm just worried that if what he had wasn't pertussis, that he would suffer like that for months if he got it.

His ped. said that he seems to have viral induced asthma symptoms.

Sorry to write a novel, I just wanted to give a clear picture of what has led me to questioning my decision.

I also just started working as a receptionist for a naturopath and I'm going to get Grey evaluated by him as soon as I have the money. I'm hoping we can resolve his lung issues and then I won't even have to worry about this.

So right now my plan is to get him seen by the naturopath, get him on whatever supplements he recommends, try to see if his lungs will heal naturally, see how the next cold/flu he gets goes and then re-evaluate. The only vax I'm really considering at all is the DTaP. I know the measles is a lung disease too, but since its a live virus vaccine it scares me the most, not that the DTaP doesn't, just a little less so.

So WWYD or what did you decide to do if your child has lung issues?
post #2 of 20
My son's lungs partially collapsed at birth and he spent 6 days in the NICU. He was diagnosed with asthma at 7 months and has various environmental and food allergies that trigger his asthma. At 14 months he spent the night in the hospital for an asthma attack that wouldn't end, in spite of the nebulizer and 3 ER visits. It's very common for him to have colds settle in his chest and to need the nebulizer to help keep the asthma under control. We also had to take him to the ER when we were on vacation because we couldn't get his asthma under control (this is what we get for brining him to WI during the spring) and needed to find a new speech therapist because the therapy dogs at our old ones triggered his asthma after an hour. And he had all of his shots until he was 15 months old. Anecdotal I know but my son sounds a lot like your son except for the vaxs. And I wish every day I could go back in time and not give him all those shots, at least I wouldn't be wondering if they contributed to his early onset of allergies, his speech delays and anything else that I notice about him that's a bit off.
post #3 of 20
remember that they do NOT test vaxes on kids like your ds who have any kind of health issues (or family history of health issues). one thread said that something like 60% of kids who were signed up to be "guinea pigs" for vax studies are not used because of something in their health history.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...highlight=test
post #4 of 20
I would probably try homeopathy and nutritional healing.
post #5 of 20
My ds had severe RSV when he was a baby.
He is now 10 yrs old, never vax'd and quite healthy.
Nutrition is key.
post #6 of 20
Have you read Thomas Levy's book Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases and Toxins?


So much can be prevented or cured with C
post #7 of 20
I would definitely use Vitamin C.

I would get all the toxic chemicals (i.e. cleaning products, laundry, Cascade, etc) out of my house. They ALL emit fumes that can be especially harmful to anyone with lung problems (moreso than to just your avg person).

I would find myself a GOOD, corrective care or BodyByGod/Maximized Living chiropractor that could make sure DS's "power is on" and his body's working as optimally as possible.

I would definitely NOT vax. I've read too much from too many pediatricians, doctors, etc about how vaxing can actually damage the body's immune response. Here's one example that I love; it's written by an MD and it explains how vaxes can actually impair the immune system, as well as explaining how they bypass one whole branch of the system, too:

http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/...nformation.htm

to you, mama!
post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for responding! jeanine123, I see exactly what you mean. Sometimes I wonder if ds's lung issues (which only surface when he's sick) would be a lot worse if we had vaxed him.

I am definately going to try going the natural route with him and taking a wait and see approach for now. I was wondering, is there any way to find out after the fact if what he just got over was indeed pertussis? They didn't do a throat swab or anything like that at the ER, just a blood count. I think I remember pertussis being one of the few diseases that you can't do a titre for. I really think that it was more likely the flu than pertussis, because of the high fever we both ran for days from it. Does how a child's lungs handle the flu give any indication of how they would handle pertussis?
post #9 of 20
Well I would definitely look for natural ways to support his immune system. As for vaccines I believe that it is fragile children that should be protected the most vigorously against vaccines. It's like giving a sick child poison (literally actually) or treating a hemorrhage victim with leaches. If vaccines are bad for healthy children how much worse are they for a weak child?

Laura
post #10 of 20
Miss Raeden was diagnosed with Asthma at 4 months old. She has daily treatments with abuterol and pulmicort. The idea of vaxing her scares me to death. Kids aren't supposed to get vaccines if they are sick. Well my daughter is chronically sick. I think vax'ing her personally would be a bad idea for our family
post #11 of 20
My youngest son has some pretty intensive lung issues. He was born with a rare birth defect of the lungs where he had an underdevelped 3rd wannabe lung that had grown through his left lung. We did not discover this defect until after he was 1 yr old because he stayed so healthy up till that point. He was fully breastfed and never had an antibiotic. He started getting pneumonias when my milk dried up from the extreme stress I was under when I lost my husband. He kept getting pneumonias that required oxygen therapy in the childrens hospital. Then at 15 mths he stopped breathing and Thank God I found him in time.. he was rushed by ambulance to the hospital and they finally discovered the lung defect during an ultrasound of his lungs. He had to get 3/4 of his left lung removed to get rid of the defect that was syphoning off his good oxygenated blood and causing the pneumonias. He still has scar tissue in whats left of his lung and suffers from asthma and occasional pnuemonias still. He is much better than before- but still has to take daily lung meds and such. He has never been vaccinated except for 1 flu shot that I got bullied into getting a year ago. I chose not to vaccinated him because I use to vacc my other kids and they were sickly ill infants and toddlers with chronic ear infections, respiratory infections etc... I had 2 that suffered SEVERE vacc reactions after their shots.. one had serious neurological issues requiring 3 yrs of therapy to get him back to almost normal. He almost became autistic- thank God I stopped vaccing him! I did not want to take the risk with my youngest child. I was scared not doing any shots- but after all his lung issues stemming from a birth defect that was not discovered for 15 mths- I know I made the right choice. I think if I had done his shots he would be dead today. To this very day he has never been sick with anything that *could* have been vaccinated for- all his illness stems from his lung problems. I will not complicate his body by adding in toxic chemicals and such. He has enough problems. I wish to this day I was more informed before I allowed my other 3 kids to get shots.
post #12 of 20
My almost 8 yr old had his underdeveloped right lung removed during open heart surgery when he was 6 weeks of age. He had no respiratory problems post surgery until his 3rd round of shots given at 7.5 months of age. His health deteriorated drastically from that day on, and continued to be a huge issue for over 2 years. All shots were stopped after that round given on 9/27/99. I feel he has a better chance with a naturally acquired disease than he does with the artificial shots designed to prevent them.

Over time, most of the symptoms that began after the shots have resolved, although he is still very small for his age, hovering at 35 pounds, his 4 yr old brother weighs 32 pounds. I was always small for my age, but it was ongoing, not like my son's, where he was growing as normal, then just stopped. Like my 4 yr old, he is small for his age, but not grossly underweight, like his brother.

I keep vit c (sodium ascorbate) on hand and usually mix it w/sunny D. My 2 youngest actually ask for the C when they aren't feeling well.

As someone else mentioned, clinical trials for vaccines only recruit healthy children, so they have no way of knowing how YOUR child, or any other child who is anything but healthy, will tolerate their toxic cocktail.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by heidi_m View Post
I would definitely use Vitamin C.
Me too. GOBS of it. Not only by supplement, but by fresh fruit and vegetables (uptake from supplement isn't always all that hot). I wouldn't overestimate either its curative or its preventative powers, but still. Couldn't hurt.

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I would get all the toxic chemicals (i.e. cleaning products, laundry, Cascade, etc) out of my house. They ALL emit fumes that can be especially harmful to anyone with lung problems (moreso than to just your avg person).
I thoroughly agree with this excellent advice as well. I might go so far as to suggest that some of these may actually play a role in causing lung problems. A dust eradication program is also recommended when any household member has issues with pulmonary function.

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I would find myself a GOOD, corrective care or BodyByGod/Maximized Living chiropractor that could make sure DS's "power is on" and his body's working as optimally as possible.
I'd pass on that, but that's just me. But here's something I do believe in: sunlight. Half an hour a day when it's available.

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Here's one example that I love; it's written by an MD and it explains how vaxes can actually impair the immune system, as well as explaining how they bypass one whole branch of the system, too:

http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/...nformation.htm
Look, we're talking about a person with compromised lung function; let's say asthma. Asthma has two main components: constriction and inflammation. In children, it can be particularly dangerous due to the fact that the airways, being smaller in diameter to begin with, are less tolerant to anything that reduces them in size even further. Inflammation is one thing that does that, as is an increase in mucus production. When an asthmatic child contracts an upper-respiratory illness, the cell-mediated response is the first line of defense. Two aspects of this are inflammation (which, among other things, serves to limit the ease with which a pathogen can spread through tissue by making everything sort of smoosh together) and the targeting of infected cells for destruction (which, among other things, releases large quantities of fluid and other detritus, which ends up in the lung and bronchia).

Once the humoral response is marshalled, the cell-mediated response is suppressed. This is the case whether the antibodies are formed in response to the antigens in a vaccine or to those belonging to a viable pathogen. It's a good thing. It's a REAL good thing. It's an especially good thing in a person with compromised lung function, because otherwise, the effects of the cell-mediated response can easily lead to fatal hypoxia. With an effective vaccine, the humoral response takes less time to develop, so you get less symptoms, less cell death, less inflammation, less mucus. Your call.

I don't know who this "Dr. Inacao" is, or what his credentials are (though my skepticism is always aroused by excessive use of capital letters), and it's not clear to me from reading that article whether his intent was to lead the reader to view suppression of the cell-mediated response as "impairment" of the immune system (as you appear to have done). If so, that's beyond dishonest; it's whacked.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by xmysticprincessx View Post
remember that they do NOT test vaxes on kids like your ds who have any kind of health issues (or family history of health issues). one thread said that something like 60% of kids who were signed up to be "guinea pigs" for vax studies are not used because of something in their health history.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...highlight=test
this bears repeating, and repeating and repeating.
post #15 of 20
subbing...
Thanks, Dynamic, for the explanation, I have more reading to do!

Lovechild421,
consider going to a wholistic practitioner, specifically one trained in Traditional Chinese Medicine, because there is actually A LOT they do for lung problems, and successfully! (my mildly asthmatic daughter has had MAJOR improvements...with a lot of options...and not very expensive...and no steroids)

And yes to tons of vitamin c, and all the other immune boosting helps (cod liver oil, minerals, probiotics)
post #16 of 20
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"Dr. [Philip] Incao"
Dynamic, he is a well respected MD who recently retired. He praticed Anthroposophic medicine and happened to by my children's doctor before he gave up his practice.
post #17 of 20
subbing... ds2 nearly fully vaxed at 6 has "viral induced asthma" and "seasonal asthma" He has definite sugar addiction (my fault ) and I know his diet needs to change drastically..
post #18 of 20
The DaTP vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting pertussis. It only protects you from the affects of the toxin which has an effacy as low as 30%. So basically even with the vaccination your son could still contract pertusiss and still have a severe lung issue. I guess it just depends on whether or not you feel the odds are in your favor and if you feel it is worth it.

Just a side note my Aunt battled asthma for years, it almost killed her a couple times, and she found out a couple years ago she was allergic to sugar. I also have a sugar intollerence but it manifests in other ways than lung response. Have you considered allergies?
post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 
we just got back from seeing the naturopath I work for and after testing a few things, it turns out that his lung issues stem from a sub-clinical chronic viral infection that is affecting his lungs and small intestine. We got some anti-viral homeopathics, some homeopathics to support his lymph system as his body fights off this virus, and some organic colostrum tablets for immune support. I'm feeling much better knowing that we've found the root of the problem and we're working to heal his body. We're going back in 3 months re-evaluate so hopefully his lung issues will be no longer be issues then.

I would suggest that all of the mamas who also have kids with lung issues try seeing a naturopath too. We talked for a long while about how there really are no traditional medical treatments for lung problems particularly asthma, other than symptomatic treatment and steroids (which stall out the healing and the immune system). I feel much better knowing I'm trying to do something to help heal him rather than just waiting to see how sick he'll get from the next cold. Best of luck to all of you and your babies, it's really hard having to deal with special medical issues like this sometimes.

And thank you for reminding me that vax have never been tested on kids who do have lung/health problems like my son.
post #20 of 20
How fabulous that you have a treatment plan! Please post back and let us know how things change for you and your ds! actually, how was his viral illness diagnosed?
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