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post #1 of 36
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My DS is now 2 years old. When he was born I made some incredibly bad choices.
I am an RN and I wholeheartedly believed everything I had been taught in nursing school and while working with physicians as a Pediatric Nurse. In the two years since he was born I have done a complete 180 on all of my beliefs. I am now a SAHM. I am so glad that I breastfed DS exclusively for 15 months. I regret that I introduced solids as soon as I did. I will never regret any decision I made though as much as the decision to circumcise my DS.

Approximately 9 months ago I was changing DS's diaper and I happened to notice that there was a white spot of what looked like fuzz on the side of the head of his penis at the healed circumcision site. (He was circumcised at 2 days old) I tried to wipe this spot of fuzz off and it wouldn't budge. I then pulled on the area a little bit and what looked like a giant white head began to emerge from the area. It came out and was the size of a large sweet pea. There was a huge hole left in the side of his penis where this mass had been.

I called the Pedi the next morning and they got us in that day. The Pedi started laughing when I told him what had happened. (I had brought the white mass to the visit in a ziplock bag) He explained to me that this happens quite often with circumcised males. He explained that my son had what is known as a penile adhesion. He said that meant his foreskin had reattached and healed too high up on his penis.

The pedi then grabbed the head of my son's penis with two fingers and what is left of the foreskin after circumcision in the other two fingers and then ripped the skin back off of the head of his penis forcibly. My DS began to wail in pain. I asked him what he had done. The pedi then explained to me that he had released the penile adhesion. He told me that if he didn't do that then one night when my DS is a teenager and has his first nighttime erection that the skin would be ripped loose then and that it would bleed and traumatize my DS. He said it was better to do this now than to wait until that happened.

So was the beginning of the nightmare. DS foreskin has continued to re-heal in the same spot. The pedi and my DH(at the pedi's instruction) continue to pull the skin back everytime it heals in that spot again. It leaves a bloody raw area of skin exposed. :

DS is now so traumitized that if you even try to wipe his penis with a baby wipe he begins to wail.

What should I do? Do we leave the skin alone? I am so confused! I really really wish I had never let everyone talk me into circumcion for my poor DS.
post #2 of 36
I'm sure the more knowledgable mamas will give you more details, but leave it alone. It will separate itself when it's ready to. IMO, even if your doctor were telling the truth with his scare tactic, that would be far less traumatic than what has been happening to your ds since the appointment.
post #3 of 36
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Originally Posted by Devaskyla View Post
I'm sure the more knowledgable mamas will give you more details, but leave it alone. It will separate itself when it's ready to. IMO, even if your doctor were telling the truth with his scare tactic, that would be far less traumatic than what has been happening to your ds since the appointment.
:

Please..Please..Please leave it alone...
post #4 of 36
Thread Starter 
Thanks mommas! This has truly become a huge deal. It has been going on now for months. I keep begging DH to leave it alone and DH continues to pull it down again because the pedi told him it was necessary. : I really appreciate the support and could use any and all advice.

I think I am going to make DH watch the graphic circ video I found a link to earlier. Then maybe he will listen to me instead of the pedi.

( I am actually switching both kids to a new doc. She is non-vax, bfing, no circ friendly. Our first visit is week after next)
post #5 of 36
Good luck with the new dr.
post #6 of 36
Thread Starter 
Thanks
post #7 of 36
J Urol. 2001 Mar;165(3):915.

Penile adhesions after neonatal circumcision.

Ponsky LE, Ross JH, Knipper N, Kay R.

Department of Urology, Cleveland Clinic Foundation, Cleveland, Ohio, USA.

“In these groups we noted an adhesion rate of 71%, 28%, 8% and 2%, respectively. The rate of adhesions more severe than grade 1 was 30%, 10% and 0% in boys 12 months old or younger, 13 to 60 and 61 months old or older, respectively. The oldest patient with grade 3 adhesions was 31 months old. Skin bridges in 6 cases involved the circumcision line in 4.”

"CONCLUSIONS: Penile adhesions develop after circumcision and the incidence decreases with patient age. Although there is debate on whether to lyse these adhesions manually, our findings suggest that adhesions resolve without treatment. Based on our results we do not recommend lysing penile adhesions, except perhaps those involving the circumcision line."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

“Penile adhesions occur frequently after circumcision. Some physicians advocate manual lysis of the adhesions. This procedure can be painful and traumatic. Penile adhesions are normal in uncircumcised boys and normally resolve without treatment.”

http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/...il.cfm?id=3420

Gil Fuld, M.D., F.A.A.P.

“Sometimes after a routine newborn circumcision, excess foreskin remains. Since newborn circumcision is not medically necessary, it's certainly better to leave a little extra than to take off too much and damage the child's penis.”

“So, it's a common occurrence in little boys for adhesions to develop under any remaining foreskin, although it's rarely a problem and practically never requires a repeat circumcision.”

http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_d...NC&sub_cat=474

Vincent Iannelli, M.D.

“It isn't really normal, but is a common complication after a circumcision. In a situation like this, penile adhesions form when the skin on the shaft of the penis attaches itself to the glans or head of the penis. In extreme cases, it can look like the child was never even circumcised, leading parents to believe that the child had a 'bad circumcision.'”

“If the skin is attached only on the very base of the glans, then your child has a very mild case of penile adhesions and you can likely just leave it alone. It should eventually separate, especially once your child becomes older, and anyway, forcing it apart would be painful.”

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weekl...l_adhesion.htm

“The foreskin will almost always detach itself in time as a boy develops. It should not be forcibly retracted. This may lead to scarred adhesions that will not detach without surgery. Penile growth is not usually influenced by adhesion of the foreskin to the glans penis.”

http://www.henryfordhealth.org/19160.cfm
post #8 of 36
Thread Starter 
Thank you so much for all of that research! That is wonderful
post #9 of 36
the doctors told my mother to do the same thing to me. I can still remember (i think one of my first memories) my mom telling me to pull back the skin so it would seperate which would always cause it to bleed. Around 2 years old i got a horrible infection because my penis was almost always an open wound, it was so bad they though i might loose my penis. My suggestion is also to leave it alone, especially considering the other imformation and studies others have posted supporting leaving it alone. One important thing to think about is how your son might remember what is being done to him, because i know i did, but its one of the things that helped me turn against circumcision and vow never to let it happen to any of my children.

take care
post #10 of 36
The nightmare does not end until SOMEONE SOMEWHERE wakes up and starts to educate medical community in USA. As long as these uneducated, mythfilled doctors and nurses keep damaging babyboys in USA, nightmare will go on.

Sending you good thoughts . you've gotten allready excellent advice!
post #11 of 36
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The Pedi started laughing ...
Perhaps he was laughing because he was looking forward to what he was going to do next.

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He told me that if he didn't do that then one night when my DS is a teenager and has his first nighttime erection that the skin would be ripped loose then and that it would bleed and traumatize my DS.
Absolute BS

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He said it was better to do this now than to wait until that happened.
More BS. Trauma is worse the younger the individual.

I'm sorry but this pedi is a complete idiot, a liar and a sadist. Don't have anything to do with him, unless you want to sue him.

This is politically incorrect, but it is my opinion based on the initial post.

I have penile adhesions. I wouldn't even dream of anyone ripping them.
post #12 of 36
Oh mama, i'm sorry. I am in a very similar position except I decided to stop breaking the adhesions when ds was about 4 months.

DS is circ'd (regrettably : ) Upon healing I noticed that that was left of his foreskin (alot thank goodness) always covered his glans. I would gently pull back, not really accomplishing anything except stretching the foreskin. Then at his two and four month wbv (last one) the peds pulled the foreskin back forcibly, telling me to do the same at home. He didnt cry as much as it looked like it hurt. It didnt bleed, just got pretty red. Somewhere around that time I found this forum, read up on what a normal foreskins function is at this age, and made the decision not to pull it back any more. I believe it is trying to function as a normal forskin as much as it can, thus the adhesions. Currently his foreskin usually covers his glans unless he is playing with it. Then still only part of it is exposed. More of his glans is exposed with time, and at some before point puberty I think he will become retractable.

I have had more peace about this issue since coming to this conclusion than I can explain.

I will not circ future sons, I only wish I had looked for this information when it was truely relevant, 20 months ago.

Good luck, I hope you are able to come up with a plan that gives you peace and your son relief.
post #13 of 36
one of my friend's sons has the same thing happening and she's been complaining since he was born about it. she's soooo misinformed and will not listen to me when i try to explain anything contrary to what she "knows". she's pg now and is hoping for a boy and will circ again. can you imagine!?!!
post #14 of 36
Thread Starter 
You've got to be kidding! :

If I ever have another little boy no one is going anywhere near his foreskin!:

I just hope DS doesn't suffer any more complications than he already has. I am going to make a strict rule in our house that the current treatment of DS's penis is going to stop NOW!
post #15 of 36
The only "good" thing I can think of to come out of this, is that all these little boys are going to remember what's happened to them, and when they find out why (and with the internet they will find out why), the chances are that they will never do it to a child of theirs.

That mother will find herself having a lot of explaining to do when he gets older, how long is she going to keep torturing him for - until the adhesions would have released anyway, perhaps when he's a teenager??

Can't you print out the AAP guidelines and give them to her, call cps perhaps as she's going directly against medical advice?
post #16 of 36
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Can't you print out the AAP guidelines and give them to her, call cps perhaps as she's going directly against medical advice?
Scary thing is we have been breaking DS's adhesions on the order of an AAP certified Pediatrician! :

It is not going to happen anymore though! Momma Bear is mad and my claws have come out.
post #17 of 36
BTW, if adhesions persist past sexual maturity, can't they sometimes be released with steroid cream? Seems better than forced retraction.

My mom said the ped suddenly ripped my little brother's adhesions (loose circ) back in 1981 and that it still horrifies her.
post #18 of 36
Thread Starter 
Oh now this is great! :

My MIL called this morning. I was telling her that I am not going to let anyone break DS's adhesions anymore. Explained why yada yada.

Then told MIL that if I ever have another little boy he will under no circumstances be circed.

MIL then says "I don't think men need to be carrying all that unneccessary cr*p around." :
post #19 of 36
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Originally Posted by CalenandEllasmomma View Post
MIL then says "I don't think men need to be carrying all that unneccessary cr*p around." :
You know, I was just thinking that my labias are getting awfully heavy to schlep around every day.
post #20 of 36
what I never understand about these things is "first nighttime erection" wth? boys have erections from the time theyre still in the womb, when their penis is there!! I mean HELLO??
first ejaculaton does not equal first erection- and coming from a male doctor, how flippin stupid can you get?


if it were to hurt him to get an erection, you would have already known it. I would have been majorly pissed, I feel so badly for your little guy
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