Will the nightmare ever end? - Page 2

[Daisyuk]

Originally Posted by CalenandEllasmomma

Scary thing is we have been breaking DS's adhesions on the order of an AAP certified Pediatrician! :

It is not going to happen anymore though! Momma Bear is mad and my claws have come out.

Good for you.

You also need to give the pediatrician the guidelines and educate him, as he is going directly against the advice of his professional association. Heaven only knows how much pain and damage he's causing to his little boy patients.

[pdx.mothernurture]

Originally Posted by onelilguysmommy

what I never understand about these things is "first nighttime erection" wth? boys have erections from the time theyre still in the womb, when their penis is there!! I mean HELLO??
first ejaculaton does not equal first erection- and coming from a male doctor, how flippin stupid can you get?

if it were to hurt him to get an erection, you would have already known it.

This is an excellent point.

Erections don't begin at puberty. It's quite normal for male infants-even fetuses-to get erections. I know my son has gotten them since he was an itty bitty newborn.

Jen

[Lula's Mom]

Originally Posted by CalenandEllasmomma

I just hope DS doesn't suffer any more complications than he already has. I am going to make a strict rule in our house that the current treatment of DS's penis is going to stop NOW!

That's so good. Make sure you tell your son, OK? My son is about the same age as yours, and I find if I really talk to him and explain things, he handles them so much better. 2-year-olds can understand *so much more* than people give them credit for! Please tell him you're sorry that y'all have been hurting him, but it's not going to happen anymore. All done!! When my son hates something that I'm doing to him (haircuts come to mind!), those are the two magic words that make him happy again.

So... I am outing myself as a picker here, but the pea-sized white ball that left a hole?? What the heck was it? Did the hole fill in eventually? Or does he still have it? I am sorry to ask, but I'm so curious! I've not heard of that before, but my sister's circumcised son apparently has a small crater that fills up with blackhead like debris, and occasionally he squeezes it out. So I'm told.

[KMK_Mama]

I was also wondering what the white thing the size of a pea was. Was it smegma? I'm confused!

[Bm31]

Originally Posted by AXEius

the doctors told my mother to do the same thing to me. I can still remember (i think one of my first memories) my mom telling me to pull back the skin so it would seperate which would always cause it to bleed. Around 2 years old i got a horrible infection because my penis was almost always an open wound, it was so bad they though i might loose my penis. My suggestion is also to leave it alone, especially considering the other imformation and studies others have posted supporting leaving it alone. One important thing to think about is how your son might remember what is being done to him, because i know i did, but its one of the things that helped me turn against circumcision and vow never to let it happen to any of my children.

take care

Wow, it sounds like our mothers had the same doctor! I pretty much went through the same thing until he conned my folks into a re-circ. I know at the time all I wanted was for them to leave me the **** alone! And in retrospect it would have been the best thing. Even if I had had some adhesions that never released around the ridge of the glans, that would have been minor compared to what their meddling ultimately did.:

[guestmama9908]

Originally Posted by Lula's Mom

So... I am outing myself as a picker here, but the pea-sized white ball that left a hole?? What the heck was it? Did the hole fill in eventually? Or does he still have it? I am sorry to ask, but I'm so curious! I've not heard of that before, but my sister's circumcised son apparently has a small crater that fills up with blackhead like debris, and occasionally he squeezes it out. So I'm told.

Okay the white pea thing. That was essentially the same thing as a blackhead you get on your face or back. It was just HUGE. The area underneath DS's penile adhesion was essentially just a pocket around the glans and smegma had been collecting in there and had formed the White Pea. When the Dr. Ripped his penile adhesions loose he essentially eliminated the pocket and thereby eliminated the hole the white pea had come out of.

Originally Posted by AXEius

the doctors told my mother to do the same thing to me. I can still remember (i think one of my first memories) my mom telling me to pull back the skin so it would seperate which would always cause it to bleed. Around 2 years old i got a horrible infection because my penis was almost always an open wound, it was so bad they though i might loose my penis. My suggestion is also to leave it alone, especially considering the other imformation and studies others have posted supporting leaving it alone. One important thing to think about is how your son might remember what is being done to him, because i know i did, but its one of the things that helped me turn against circumcision and vow never to let it happen to any of my children.

take care

Originally Posted by Bm31

Wow, it sounds like our mothers had the same doctor! I pretty much went through the same thing until he conned my folks into a re-circ. I know at the time all I wanted was for them to leave me the **** alone! And in retrospect it would have been the best thing. Even if I had had some adhesions that never released around the ridge of the glans, that would have been minor compared to what their meddling ultimately did.:

I am so sorry you both went through this. And I am so upset that we have been putting DS through this. I am really hoping that he can heal from this experience physically and mentally and that we haven't caused too much long term trauma. Stupid Me for listening to bad advice. All I can do now though is to make sure it never happens again.

[Bm31]

Originally Posted by CalenandEllasmomma

I am so sorry you both went through this. And I am so upset that we have been putting DS through this. I am really hoping that he can heal from this experience physically and mentally and that we haven't caused too much long term trauma. Stupid Me for listening to bad advice. All I can do now though is to make sure it never happens again.

Thank you so much. The fact that you have learned from this experience (unlike many who would keep rolling the dice with future sons) means a lot and makes you a great mama!

[guestmama9908]

Originally Posted by Bm31

Thank you so much. The fact that you have learned from this experience (unlike many who would keep rolling the dice with future sons) means a lot and makes you a great mama!

Thank you. I still feel like a real heal that I ever let them do that to my son. I feel even worse that I have been letting the Pedi and DH break the adhesions for the last several months now. At least it won't EVER happen again now!

I feel like I won a BIG victory tonight! DH is a circ victim. He has never before had a problem with the fact that he was circed. He was also adamant that we circ our DS when he was born 2 yrs ago. He has also been adamant about breaking the adhesions since the Pedi told us it was NECESSARY :

Well I brought him in tonight and had him watch the graphic circ video. I then showed him the articles on the purpose of a foreskin. We discussed what exactly being circumcised as an infant had taken from him and our DS.

He then expressed to me that he is now pissed that he was circumcised as an infant. He also expressed his regret for having DS circumcised and he told me that if we ever have another son he will not be circumcised for any reason.

[tiffer23]

Actually, since he's already circumcised, it would be best to keep vaseline on the adhesion area so that it CAN'T reattach. Then there's no chance of anyone pulling it back and hurting him. And there won't be any chance of it getting infected again once it heals properly.

Sorry he's had a rough time with it.

[guestmama9908]

Hey Tiffer,

Thanks for the advice! :-) It reattaches within hours of being pulled down. I mean literally hours. We hadn't put Vaseline on it though.

It has re-attached and has been there for several days now. I wasn't about to break the adhesions and DH was at the firestation so he wasn't doing it. (Thank Heavens) So at this point I am just going to leave it alone.

If at some point DS breaks the adhesions we will apply vaseline. That is a great tip.

[AlbertaJes]

Originally Posted by CalenandEllasmomma

He then expressed to me that he is now pissed that he was circumcised as an infant. He also expressed his regret for having DS circumcised and he told me that if we ever have another son he will not be circumcised for any reason.

[trmpetplaya]

I'm sorry you're having to deal with this : That's wonderful about your husband coming around though And I'm sure your son will protect his sons once he finds out how much trouble circumcised penises can be... not only will you be protecting your future sons, but you'll be able to protect your future grandsons as will and then we'll be that much closer to ending the nightmare of routine infant circumcision!

love and peace.

[AXEius]

Originally Posted by CalenandEllasmomma

Okay the white pea thing. That was essentially the same thing as a blackhead you get on your face or back. It was just HUGE. The area underneath DS's penile adhesion was essentially just a pocket around the glans and smegma had been collecting in there and had formed the White Pea. When the Dr. Ripped his penile adhesions loose he essentially eliminated the pocket and thereby eliminated the hole the white pea had come out of.





I am so sorry you both went through this. And I am so upset that we have been putting DS through this. I am really hoping that he can heal from this experience physically and mentally and that we haven't caused too much long term trauma. Stupid Me for listening to bad advice. All I can do now though is to make sure it never happens again.

hey it really isnt your fault. Most people trust doctors because they are supposed to be knowledgable about the subjects they give advice about. Problem is that they are human. Humans do not know everything, do not remember everything, and don't have the answers to everything. they also have emotions and beliefs. All these contribute to an imperect system and one that REQUIRES review and scutiny. If more people questioned doctors and "superiors" this country would be a much different place. At least now you know and can take steps based on more complete imformation and personal experience.
one last thing to keep in mind is that the more the adhesions are ripped apart, the more scar tissue will form reducing the chance the adhesions will resolve on their own in the future as they would in an intact child.

[falcon]

Originally Posted by CalenandEllasmomma

The area underneath DS's penile adhesion was essentially just a pocket around the glans and smegma had been collecting in there and had formed the White Pea. When the Dr. Ripped his penile adhesions loose he essentially eliminated the pocket and thereby eliminated the hole the white pea had come out of.

grrrr... doctors! My intact son used to get smegma pearls too, you are supposed to leave them alone, they eventually go away on their own. grrr :

Why is (almost ) everyone so uninformed about penile health care in this country??? I hear a lot about womens health care, but it seems like the males need more help.

[kldliam]

This was one of the sadder stories I have ever read in CAC. :

[hunnybumm]

Originally Posted by CalenandEllasmomma

Thank you. I still feel like a real heal that I ever let them do that to my son. I feel even worse that I have been letting the Pedi and DH break the adhesions for the last several months now. At least it won't EVER happen again now!

I feel like I won a BIG victory tonight! DH is a circ victim. He has never before had a problem with the fact that he was circed. He was also adamant that we circ our DS when he was born 2 yrs ago. He has also been adamant about breaking the adhesions since the Pedi told us it was NECESSARY :

Well I brought him in tonight and had him watch the graphic circ video. I then showed him the articles on the purpose of a foreskin. We discussed what exactly being circumcised as an infant had taken from him and our DS.

He then expressed to me that he is now pissed that he was circumcised as an infant. He also expressed his regret for having DS circumcised and he told me that if we ever have another son he will not be circumcised for any reason.

That is so AWESOME that your DH is in now in agreement with you about circ and the adhersions. A lot of DHs (mine included) haven't seen the light yet. It can be an incredible struggle, luckily your DH took to it easily when given the right information!

Just so you know there are a lot of woman here who circ previous sons before they learned the truth about circumcision. IMHO it is a very long grieving process. My DS is 3 yo and I still get extremly emotional about him being mutilated as an infant. It has gotten easier, but I haven't truly forgiven myself, not sure if I ever will, but I know that any future sons will remain intact. As well as I plan to teach both of my sons genital integrity so they will not circ any of their future children to completely stop the cycle in my family.

Anyways, you are not alone. We are happy that you are here and hope you stay for years to come! If you get a chance read the sticky "If you regret circumcising your son(s), please post here." and if you feel up to it post (totally your choice of course). http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=112410 It is now 14 pages long and growing with people who feel the same way you do.