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most insane chixpox story ever

post #1 of 38
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Looking for support and to vent... cross posted this to vax threads but it's not as busy as here...
My 7yrold ended up with the pox vax to get into kindergarten, but 3yrold just came down with it, hooray. 1yrold appears to be next.

You would think the kid had small pox. Maybe even bird flu. I am getting grief from all sides. Except my mom, sis, MIL and ped, I have only talked to two other people who were in support of delaying that particular vax. I've been on the phone or email daily since Friday with the gal we carpool to school with. Her older daughter (vaccinated) was in the car maybe twice with my son (and a whole row away, out of droplet range). She said at first that her ped recommended she not ride with us for two weeks. She is just floored that I haven't vaccinated. She canceled four playdates this week just in case her oldest has passed something on to her youngest (also vaxxed and not at all exposed to my son) even though i sent her links showing the near statistical impossibility of that. And the kicker? Drum roll please.....

As of tonight, I have been summarily dismissed from carpool status forever. She told my husband and I (by phone, speaking of CHICKEN...) that it might be fine for our family but it's not acceptable to hers. That it is a safety issue and she has been losing sleep at night thinking about it. She said everything has been fine up until now but this just isn't ok to her, not vaccinating your children. (As if someone who doesn't vax also runs red lights too?) She feels badly but she hopes she'll see us around and no hard feelings. (She lives next door to my mom and our kids go to the same school, she will definitely see us around.)

I have been working VERY hard at the whole different families make different choices concept. I've been explaining that to my children a lot lately too. But this one is really taking the cake for me. I understand she has to do what she feels is right. I understand my choice is not her choice. But couldn't we just agree to disagree, let the chicken pox pass and pick up where we left off?

Thank you for letting me get this out. She did not let me. After "dumping" me, she hung up because her child was crying.

God Bless Mothering... I might be a pariah in my community, but there's always some great support here!
post #2 of 38
I'm sorry. My kids were vaxed for chicken pox when they were around 2 (before I knew better) and my oldest had the pox last year even though he was vaxed for it. I don't really understand why people get upset at their kids being with a non vaxed kid. If the vax is working then you should not be worried.

If it was me I would be rejoicing over no longer having to do carpool. I hate carpool duty.
post #3 of 38
oh I hear you! when my DS got CP at 11 months old you would have thought he was going to die from it! (DH family members hounded us nonstop because*gasp* we didn't even go to the dr!) DS was not sick at all. he didn't miss a beat though.

ignore them and they WILL go away! (the ignorant people bugging you about this) and the lady banning you from carpool DOES sound really ignorant about the subject! I went through the same EXACT thing and got lectures from folks who had NO IDEA at all what they were saying.
post #4 of 38
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Originally Posted by kewb View Post
I don't really understand why people get upset at their kids being with a non vaxed kid.
ignorance +fear= irrationality
post #5 of 38
If her kids are vaxed and the vax works, wth is she so afraid of? :
post #6 of 38
Oh Jeez, it's not like YOU gave HER kids the pox!@

I see what she's saying... it's just sad. Ignorance is evil.

And, by tthat, I don't mean she is ignorant for vaxxing. You do what you want with your own kid. I just think it's rude and ignorant to not talk it out - to just cut you off like that. Can't the two of you have an arrangement where you don't carpool when her kids are freshly vaxxed?

ah well.
post #7 of 38
Wow. That's just...wow.

We chose to vax our children (my husband is in healthcare, and when we looked at the research we decided to vax...it was where our comfort level was) but I have friends who do no vax or delay vax and I have no problem with my daughter being exposed to their kids. As you said, if the vax is working then there is no problem. In fact, I am pregnant, and I take care of a toddler who is on a delayed vax schedule....my bloodwork showed that all my immunities are in place and I have no issues being around him.

Some people just really buy into the hype and fear (on both sides of the argument) and make decisions based on limited information. I see this in a lot of aspects of parenting (I just had a good friend tell me that there is absolutely no benefit to breastfeeding your baby past 6 months. Has she been living under a rock?? But I digress..). IMHO...your kids are better off away from her ignorance.
post #8 of 38
I agree, they are ignorant. It doesn't seem worth it to me to for you to try and educate these people. I'd just move on. I can imagine how angry and hurt you must feel though.
I have to say, I would not be happy if my ds was exposed to chicken pox right now. I am going through chemo now, so that's the only reason. My ds was vaxed for it (because I knew I would be having chemo in the future). Even though he is vaxed, he could still bring home those germs on his hands, and in his mouth and nose and pass them on to me. I am worried about both chickenpox and shingles as I've had three titers in the past that say I have no immunity to chicken pox.
I did inquire at my son's preschool to see if there were any unvaxed children and sent a letter to all the parents to notify me if their children had the pox or the vax, so I could keep my son home.

Maybe this lady has a family memeber that is immunosupressed? Just to give her the benefit of the doubt. I have to admit she just sounds ignorant to me.
post #9 of 38
the truly sad thing about all that, now that your dc have had it, they are "safer" to be around.
The poxs are going around my dd's school. So far only vaxed dc have gotten it
post #10 of 38
This is so irrational that I can't help but wonder if she was just looking for an excuse to drop out of the carpool with you.
post #11 of 38
Were any of her children vaxed recently? Because, you know, its much more likely for unvaxed kids to catch things from the vaxed kids.

And I second the opinon that if vaxes work, whats the problem? You should be able to cough the germs all over them with no issues, since they are immune, right?
post #12 of 38
we'd be hounding you to let us eat off the same spoon and share t-shirts, totally opposite. we have been looking for the pox for years - i'd call it looking a gift horse in the mouth.
post #13 of 38
I don't understand her. Like previous posters have said...if her kid is vaxed, why is she worried? And so what if her kids get CP, they will be ok. It's not that bad. Geesh! :
post #14 of 38
Wow... what short memories we seem to have as a culture! I'm 30, and I remember very well that CP was never considered a "big deal" when we were kids. A PITA, sure, but nothing to worry about.

So when did it suddenly become this horrible, debilitating illness? The only thing I've heard, even up till now, is that it's not good for older people to get it. So... hmm, maybe my logic is a stretch, but wouldn't that mean it was good to get it over with for kids?

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Originally Posted by rapscallions View Post
Her older daughter (vaccinated) was in the car maybe twice with my son (and a whole row away, out of droplet range).
Just had a question about this - not sure what "droplets" are but I assume you're saying that the older daughter could not have caught CP from a foot away? I don't know much, but that doesn't seem right to me. I caught CP from a boy about 10 feet away, since my friends went to the infirmary to visit him and I stayed out in the hall and just waved. I suppose it's possible I didn't catch it from him, but that seems unlikely to me.
post #15 of 38
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Originally Posted by lesley&grace View Post
Wow. That's just...wow.

We chose to vax our children (my husband is in healthcare, and when we looked at the research we decided to vax...it was where our comfort level was) but I have friends who do no vax or delay vax and I have no problem with my daughter being exposed to their kids.
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Sorry you ran into someone who let her fears override her friendship with you. That stinks.
post #16 of 38
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Originally Posted by Mamma Mia View Post
If her kids are vaxed and the vax works, wth is she so afraid of? :
: What is she afraid of? IS she afraid of something? Or can she just not handle being around other families that have made different choices from her? I"m sure we've all ended relationships when we found out that another family didn't have quite the values we thought they did (although not in such a cowardly way as she has, I hope). But it doesn't sound like that from the OP.
post #17 of 38
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
This is so irrational that I can't help but wonder if she was just looking for an excuse to drop out of the carpool with you.
I think it would be construed as irrational to some - maybe even a majority - here on MDC. But to mainstream society? Not so much.

I can understand her choosing not to carpool or have playdates for two weeks. When my dd1 had the pox at age two, we didn't go anywhere but the backyard for two weeks. Staying home (with dh out of town I might add) was the worst part; she had it pretty easy in comparison to some.

Of course, once that two weeks is up, I'd think she is no longer worried about her kid catching the pox from your kid. Now I think she is just scared about what other diseases her kid could catch that your kid isn't vaxed for.

I know and you know that if her kid is vaxed, and the vaxes supposedly work, then she shouldn't have anything to worry about. But you have to remember that plenty of kids vaxed for CP get it anyway. My daycare provider's ds just got them a couple weeks ago and he was fully vaxed. My unvaxed dd3 who goes there hasn't gotten them yet but I suppose it still could happen.

So it is all just a crap shoot, and she is a scared mom. Her doc and general society tell her that the diseases are horrible (even though plenty of us got them as kids and somehow survived) so she is going on the "facts" as she believes them.

We know that when we choose not to vax (or to pick and choose on a slow schedule) in this country, we could get some backlash from schools, as well as friends who believe in fully vaccinating. Most of us choose to go ahead and do what we think is best and take the consequences. It is a long road to change. Out of hospital birth is the same story. But we are making progress.

I'm sorry your carpool got messed up. Is there another family you could carpool with? The day it is your turn isn't so great, but the day you get off is so wonderful...
post #18 of 38
I vax. But your carpool person is a bit insane. Isn't the point that she vax'ed so her kids would NOT get the diseases if they were exposed?

And if they do have a reaction to being exposed you WANT them to have that reaction as a child and not as an adult.

Seems pretty backward. Your kids should be more concerned about picking something up from her children shedding the virus without symptoms than the other way around.
post #19 of 38
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Originally Posted by laohaire View Post
Just had a question about this - not sure what "droplets" are but I assume you're saying that the older daughter could not have caught CP from a foot away? I don't know much, but that doesn't seem right to me. I caught CP from a boy about 10 feet away, since my friends went to the infirmary to visit him and I stayed out in the hall and just waved. I suppose it's possible I didn't catch it from him, but that seems unlikely to me.
I don't think you can catch cp from standing out in the hall 10 feet away from the person who has them. My guess would be that you got if from the friends who went in and actually visited the person. CP is airborne through droplets released by the person who coughs or sneezes. Unless he was really really coughing and throwing some out there you didn't get it from him.

http://www.mamashealth.com/chicken.asp
post #20 of 38
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
This is so irrational that I can't help but wonder if she was just looking for an excuse to drop out of the carpool with you.
I agree with Ruthla. If her kids are vaxed and she "believes" in the vax she should have nothing to worry about. Perhaps there were some other issues that she didn't feel comfortable discussing. From the sounds of it, any issues she may have had were probably just her own.

I don't understand the hysteria about chicken pox these days. I had it 15 years ago when I was 13, and at the time it was just something that happened to kids. It sucked, and I was most certainly uncomfortable, but I barely remember it and obviously I survived. I can't believe that people who are parents today are acting like chicken pox is this deadly scourge, when they likely had it themselves and knew plenty of other people who did as well. I guess people don't want to be inconvenienced by it. That's a sorry excuse to blindly vax, but that's a topic for a whole other thread.

mama, I hope you're able to work out a carpool situation with a more levelheaded person.
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