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post #1 of 17
1/31/07 at 6:35pm
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ds2 is 17 months and intact, just changed his diaper and he was retracted! totally caught me off guard, lol! does this explain why he's had his hand down his diaper the last week?

so, now that his foreskin retracts, any extra care for cleaning?
post #2 of 17
1/31/07 at 6:54pm
No extra cleaning necessary until he's old enough to do it himself.
post #3 of 17
1/31/07 at 7:12pm
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Originally Posted by QueenOfThePride View Post
No extra cleaning necessary until he's old enough to do it himself.
Really? Not even after a really yicky diaper? We're not running the risk of a UTI or anything? I'm not one to poke around much in the diaper area - I've heard rumor of UTIs... False info? Can you point me to a link or some such? This has recently come up on another board ....
post #4 of 17
1/31/07 at 7:25pm
Well, after a really yucky diaper, a soak in the bath should clean everything out.

The mere presence of a foreskin, whether retractable or not, does not increase the risk of UTIs. UTIs are caused when well-meaning people retract the foreskin to clean it, which pushes the bacteria inside.
post #5 of 17
1/31/07 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by AmyCarin View Post
Really? Not even after a really yicky diaper? We're not running the risk of a UTI or anything? I'm not one to poke around much in the diaper area - I've heard rumor of UTIs... False info? Can you point me to a link or some such? This has recently come up on another board ....

My eldest (Now 9 y/o) retracted at 7 months (I noticed after he was crawling around naked) but then became UNretractable again at about 10 months. I never retracted him. If he had a poopy diaper, I'd soak him in the tub and that would "swish" everything out. That or sand at the beach. Same thing.
post #6 of 17
1/31/07 at 9:21pm
So every diaper with a bowel movement - a bath?

My son is dominantly breastfed (17m) and has at least 3 movements a day. Usually small, and sometimes even more than that.

Everytime...a bath? My son...will fight me to the death if I try to take him out of a bath before 15-20 minutes.
See Sig. The kid loves water.


ETA - hes not retractable yet - this is just education, yk?
post #7 of 17
1/31/07 at 10:44pm
Oh no, when my boy poops, he definitely gets poop up on his penis. Ds3's penis likes to hide, and although he is not able to retract, as far as I know, he has gotten poop IN the inside of the tip of his foreskin. I think the only way for it to happen is if he gets an erection after pooping (like from having to pee), so the foreskin rolls back out and then rolls back in when the erection is gone. I know people on here say never never, but I don't have time to give a bath every time he poops. And if I'm not at home...??? SO I gently push the tip back just enough to wipe the poop out. I do not push hard enough to retract past the ridged band, so even if ds were retractile, I wouldn't know.
post #8 of 17
1/31/07 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by Cyneburh View Post
I've noticed that usually after a poopy diaper, the poop doesn't even reach the penis. So I'd guess that you'd only need a bath after a *really* messy one. And with those I usually find it easier to do a bath anyways... I spend less time doing a quick bath then I do trying to clean it up with wipes.

If you're out and about, just do a bubble bath after the trip.
I would never give intact boys or girls bubble baths. THey're the biggest cause of irritation and UTI's according to my ped. And from my own experiencew/ ds1 before I banned bubble bath, I tend to agree.
post #9 of 17
2/1/07 at 12:31am
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So every diaper with a bowel movement - a bath?
Pfft no. If you can clean an intact girl from a messy movement without a bath you can clean a bot. The only reason I'd ever give ANY boy a bath specifically for that purpose would be the stuff that gets stuck in his scrotum, his foreskin is easier to clean than THAT thing.
post #10 of 17
2/1/07 at 2:13am
Yeah scrotums are a total pain.
Entirely. Especially when you don't catch it immediately, and it starts to gum- allright tmi.

Why don't we come up with a reason to have it surgically removed?
I did hear a rumor somewhere that it cures dementia.
post #11 of 17
2/1/07 at 4:25am
I some times use a spray bottle on DS at messy chages. If there is alittle poop up inside after I've changed him it comes out next time he pees. If he's very messy I sit him in the bathroom sink and just rince him off.
post #12 of 17
2/1/07 at 4:40am
Any poo that may find its way into the foreskin tip will be washed out with his next urination since urine is sterile it is the perfect cleaning agent At least for that part of the body

It is very possible that he will become not retractable again it goes thru stages and it isn't a big deal at all if it happens. As long as he can pee with no issues.

I love the idea of a spray bottle of water for really nasty poos wish I had thought of it

The foreskin is designed to keep stuff out the tip is a sphincter just like the anus. It only relaxes when they need to pee so nothing is going in there very far. As they age it relaxes more and more but usually not significantly until they are older.

When he is old enough to pull the skin back by himself is when it should be done not before and certainly not by anyone but him.


I forgot to add be sure that any time you see that the foreskin is retracted that you gently pull it back over the glans. If it gets stuck back there (rare but possible) it can be a very scary and dangerous thing.
post #13 of 17
2/1/07 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by MCatLvrMoMof2 View Post
I forgot to add be sure that any time you see that the foreskin is retracted that you gently pull it back over the glans. If it gets stuck back there (rare but possible) it can be a very scary and dangerous thing.
oh really? good to know, thanks.
post #14 of 17
2/1/07 at 5:03am
Yes it is called paraphimosis when it happens. The foreskin can get caught back there and cause blood flow to be restricted to the glans and then the glans swells and the foreskin becomes like a terniquet behind there. If you catch it soon enough and get it to go back over using ice and sugar (yes surgar can reduce the swelling) then he would need to be taken to the ER and emergancy surgery would need to be done. And most Dr. here instead of doing everything they can to save the foreskin they will circ. : there is a technique calle Dundee that should be used instead or even a dorsal slit will work but it will need to be repaired later on since it slits the foreskin.

I know that sounds super scary but honestly it is a very very rare thing to have happen. It is just something that everyone who has a intact child should know just in case.

Here is a link to reducing paraphimosis and http://www.circumstitions.com/Paraphim.html

To me knowing how to deal with things even if they never happen make me more comfortable because I know should it happen I can protect my ds from cut happy dr's.
post #15 of 17
2/1/07 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by MCatLvrMoMof2 View Post

Here is a link to reducing paraphimosis and http://www.circumstitions.com/Paraphim.html

To me knowing how to deal with things even if they never happen make me more comfortable because I know should it happen I can protect my ds from cut happy dr's.
I agree with you. I have to say that I have met a mom online who was very intent on keeping her son intact, only to have her physician CAUSE paraphimosis at a well baby checkup. He forcibly retracted the foreskin. Anyhow, she didn't know anything about it, that it could have been reduced without circ or anything. And, he wound up being circ'd. When she found out afterwards she was SO ANGRY, she said afterwards as her ped wasn't super supportive of her keeping her son intact that she thought he was really trying to do something to make her have to circ him. :
post #16 of 17
2/1/07 at 12:51pm
That poor baby I would look into medical malpractice if a Dr. did that to my ds. :
post #17 of 17
2/1/07 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by MCatLvrMoMof2 View Post
That poor baby I would look into medical malpractice if a Dr. did that to my ds. :
This was several years ago, I actually didn't really get talking about that with her (I wasn't on here at the time, didn't know what I know now about patient's recourse, etc.), anyhow I believe she did talk to someone and they said as there was no permanent damage : done that there wasn't anything they could do. Of course, you know the people she probably talked to were all circ'd...and had to think that there was no permanent damage done. Why wouldn't they think losing a foreskin was "no biggie: " if they had lost theirs as well? :
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