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post #1 of 21
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Okay, I'm not sure what my question or even exact topic really is going to be here. I just know I'd like to hear other mama's input on this subject.

Why this topic came up for me: I am a photo addict. I've always loved taking photos, and before Addie came along I took just as many photos - they were simply of other things like flowers and such. But now with my little girl I just have so much fun playing around with her while taking her photos. While showing the latest bunch of pictures to my mom tonight, she casually mentioned that she hoped that as Adeline gets older she doesn't get the idea that her looks are what are most important. :

I am very dedicated to raising her to have a sense of self that is based on the person she is on the inside - not based on things like her looks, weight, etc. As one who has suffered from body image and self esteem issues all my life, I am trying to prevent passing on the belief that a woman’s self-worth and her worth to others are derived from how she looks. I understand how important it is to model my own self esteem (I grew up with a mom who was very vocal about how much she hated her looks and body, and I believe many of my own issues stemmed from that).

I'm just looking for a general discussion about how those with young girls are modeling a healthy sense of self and body image. Any things you specifically try to avoid (like I never comment on other people's looks if I can help it, especially in a negative light ... and never talk about my own looks negatively).

And also, do you think what my mom suggested about my taking lots of photos has any merit? Could the fact that I take a lot of photos of my little girl give her the idea that her mama places some kind of inappropriate value on her looks? I told my mom that I believe that what I communicate to Adeline is going to have a bigger effect, and that I think it's important not to excessively comment on her looks (gushing about how beautiful she is ... although hard to resist because of course I believe she IS beautiful! ). And, of course, modeling a healthy sense of self. And isn't it natural for a mama to want to take a lot of photos of her little one??

Okay, this is probably not coming out the way I wanted it to sound ... but I'm exhausted, so there it is.
post #2 of 21
Hi! I don't have any answers, but thought I'd chime in anyway. I think it's totally normal to want a zillion pictures of your child, I mean they grow so fast and are so beautiful in so many ways. I have no idea if this will give her the wrong idea about looks?? Do you still take pictures of other things? Maybe as she gets older you could get he involved with taking pictures of flowers, the sky, relatives, etc., so taking pictures of her is not a big deal, idk?

That's also great to not say negative comments about others looks or your own, my Mom was also very vocal about how 'fat' she was, and my dad would make comments about 'hot' woman...don't think it helped me at all!

My grandma always said "It's nice to be pretty, but more important to be nice". I always secretly wondered if she said that because she though I wasn't pretty, and didn't want me to feel like it was that important. So I guess you never know how a child may interpret things!


I find myself saying 'your so cute' to my ds constantly and am trying to break that habit ASAP. I want him to know how much I love him, but make sure he doesn't think I love him just because he's so cute!

post #3 of 21
I take a bazillon pics of my kids all the time, and I (like you) was a big time shutterbug before that too (I have literally HUNDREDS of photos of apples hanging on trees...we go apple picking every single year and it's nearly impossible for me not to take a couple rolls of film every time...all of apples hanging in trees ) so I understand completely where you are coming from.

You mentioned your mom had some body issues....her comment is most likely stemming from those issues. I don't think that taking her picture or even telling her she is beautiful will give her a poor body image or make her think that her looks are the most important thing. I happen to think my daughter is stunning, and I tell her how cute she is or how nice she looks in this or that outfit. I am also always telling her that she is clever or smart or silly or "look at you climbing/running/dancing so well!" It's important to be proud of your children, it makes them feel proud of themselves. I think I have gorgeous, smart, wonderful children...and I tell them so.

Honestly, is there a parent out there with young children who is telling them "my goodness but you are one homely looking beast!"??? I doubt it...every parent thinks that their child is the most lovely in the world. I remember insisting that when Grace was born she was lovely and pink and not at all funny-looking the way newborns are. Looking back, yeah she looked like a frog...but I still think she was the prettiest froggy-looking newborn I had ever seen.
post #4 of 21
Oh boy. Well I am terrible then. I tell dd that she is beautiful all the time. Like 20 times a day. I tell her she's gorgeous, she's cute, she's adorable. I also take tons of pictures. And I got her pictures taken (like professional ones) every month of her first year and every 3rd month of her second year. I can't help it. I love her so much, and want to remember her being so small. I think what matters is that my love isn't dependant on her looks. I'd do the same thing if she was in an accident and was disfigured, yk? I'd still think she was beautiful, because she's my daughter. I admire her character, her intelligence, her sense of humor, her inquisitiveness, her individuality. I point these things out as well.
post #5 of 21
There were some interesting comments on this on a recent thread about how kids feel if they are not praised. I'll try and find the thread in a minute, but my take on it is basically this. Photos are fine, you're keeping a record of important things in your life. They're not a measure of how beautiful you think your child is but rather of how much you want to preserve memories of her baby- and childhood.

On the other hand, I would hesitate to tell a child (especially a daughter, if I had one, which i don't so take what I say as you like) that s/he was beautiful, pretty, handsome, etc., especially on a regular basis, since I think it both encourages kids to feel that their looks are an important part of their worth (and this backfires when they are teenagers and decide they are ugly) and implicitly encourages them to compare themselves to other people. The same goes for other general characterizing statements ("You are beautiful/clever/talented/amazing"). I think much healthier is to give more specific compliments which value what is unique about your child, thereby increasing his/her sense of self without setting up a "house of cards" image which is vulnerable to any setback.

"Your hair suits you that way", "the colour of your eyes reminds me of X", "I like the dress you chose", "you made a real effort to look nice today and it shows" all seem to value specific efforts or specific attributes of the child. They also don't have the negative implication of "you are beautiful", which to my mind is "not everyone is, and I like you better because you are". More specific compliments leave open more room for other people to have equally positive, but different attributes.

I'm sure that as they get older, girls in particular seek out general evaluations of themselves like "Am I pretty?", but I think trying to build a healthy sense of what is unique about themselves from the beginning is a good idea.
post #6 of 21
Moving this very interesting and important topic over to Parenting Issues
post #7 of 21
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Moving this very interesting and important topic over to Parenting Issues
Thank you! I wasn't sure where to put this thread. Thought of GD since it is sort of related to a praise issue.
post #8 of 21
Here is my 2 cents
Snap away, you will never be able to capture those sweet moments again
If you don't want to focus on "beauty" When you and dd look at pics you can also discuss things in the pic
Ex. Remember taht trip to the park. You like that slide. that was your birthdaY. You look happy....etc
post #9 of 21
My mom took tons of photos and well, I wasn't the prettiest kid I never thought of a photo as being something you only take because a person is beautiful... to me a photo is something you use to remember a person, place, event, moment.

Then again, I am not very photogenic. I always have a goofy look on my face in pictures.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by MOM2ANSLEY View Post
Here is my 2 cents
Snap away, you will never be able to capture those sweet moments again
If you don't want to focus on "beauty" When you and dd look at pics you can also discuss things in the pic
Ex. Remember taht trip to the park. You like that slide. that was your birthdaY. You look happy....etc
That's what I was going to say. When you look at the pictures later with your dd, don't focus on how cute she looks, talk about what she is doing.

But snap away, they grow so fast. Just try not to miss the moments because you are too busy trying to get a good shot.
post #11 of 21

That kid IS pretty cute!!

I just had to say that... I looked at "her" site. Adorable! and you are a good photographer. Does my compliment make you feel like that's all I like about you? Haha. Just kidding...

I think the kids who have issues with lookism and that, are kids who's parents or influences told them, "You are the CUTEST, you are the PRETTIEST, you are CUTER, you are PRETTIER."

I feel that if you try to unnaturally censor your vocal and pictorial adoration of her, she's going to feel it and wonder why--I'm talking in a couple to several years. Since photography is so much a part of YOU and what you enjoy doing, it will be meaningful to her that you DO make her your favorite subject and show off your pictures.

I took and still take, a million photos of my dd (stb 8yo), and like you, ALWAYS took photos before she came along. And videos... I could watch forever. That's my THING, pictures and movies, and I birthed my perfect subject! I take lots of photos of her friends, cousins, activities, and such, so she has wonderful memory books, but her face, her eyes, her smile, her dancing, etc. are my favorite.

HER favorite thing in life is not her picture. It's cats. Second is dancing. Third is "What's for lunch?.... Can I have a corn dog?"

Okay, but, before you take the first bite, let me get a picture of you just holding it... .



VF
post #12 of 21
I take tons of pics of my DS and never thought of it that way. I think its just a mom likes to take pics of their kid(s).
post #13 of 21
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I think the kids who have issues with lookism and that, are kids who's parents or influences told them, "You are the CUTEST, you are the PRETTIEST, you are CUTER, you are PRETTIER."
I agree with VF - you can comment on your child's looks without making it a "competition" with everyone else. I LOVE taking pictures of the boys - and I tell them they're cute all the time (well, DS1 is "handsome" now). I also compliment DS1 on his intelligence and his thoughtfulness (but still, never once, have said something like "I bet you're the smartest kid in your class" : That would be weird, imo.), and I comment to DS2 on his sharing or putting away his toys, etc. It's well-rounded praise. I believe children benefit from sincere compliments and acknowlegements of their strengths. I also think both boys and girls benefit from knowing that their parents and loved ones find them pleasant physically - I like DS2's little round cheeks and I like DS1's dimples - I think they're *cute* and I don't think there's anything wrong about that.
post #14 of 21
Another photography buff here. I have been known to do things like shoot a whole roll of film in 20 minutes, when the kids are playing on the beach at sunset, or on a mountain peak with wildflowers everywhere - just to get "that one shot". Our house is full of photos of the kids, mostly outside in nature. For what its worth, I think your approach to photographing your dd could make a difference as she gets older. If we are always trying to primp and pose our kids - "turn this way...no that way...let me get your hair just right...let me smooth out your shirt..." then I would imagine we may feed a "my looks are all that are important" attitude, as well as a self-critical attitude. If we are trying to capture and celebrate joy with our cameras, I hope that we may succeed in using photography in a way that boosts rather than undermines self-esteem.

I remember getting my senior photos taken in high school, when my own body image was at about its most painful and self-crtitical point. The photographer was having me pose in different ways, but helped me feel completely natural and comfortable - and beautiful. She got some really beautiful photos, and I felt so good about myself and my body.

My dd is 5, and she is already a photography buff herself - she takes really amazing photos of the world around her - us, her brother, objects, animals, flowers, the moon.....
post #15 of 21
Give her something else to feel good about.........soccer, piano lessons, art lessons, etc. A talent or skill where what her body can DO is more important that what it looks like.
post #16 of 21
I tell my children that they are beautiful every day. My mother did the same for me. It was really comforting to me to know that my mom thought I was beautiful when I was going through that awkward stage that most of us go through. I could always say to myself, "At least my mom thinks I'm pretty." It feels good to hear it still, and I won't deny my children that.
post #17 of 21
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For what its worth, I think your approach to photographing your dd could make a difference as she gets older. If we are always trying to primp and pose our kids - "turn this way...no that way...let me get your hair just right...let me smooth out your shirt..." then I would imagine we may feed a "my looks are all that are important" attitude, as well as a self-critical attitude. If we are trying to capture and celebrate joy with our cameras, I hope that we may succeed in using photography in a way that boosts rather than undermines self-esteem.
When I take pictures of Adeline I always do so in a totally unobtrusive way ... we are playing FIRST, and the pictures either come or they don't. I never ask her to pose or even try to get her to smile or look at the camera. Many times I just have the camera out to the side (not in front of my face), because I'm busy playing with her, and just snap blindly. I never let the camera get in the way of interacting with her, ever. I take her photos either as part of our play, or if she's exploring on her own I quietly snap away without her even noticing. It's my way of helping to preserve memories ... I don't do baby books and such (well, I've tried but just don't want to take the time away from being with Addie to finish them ).

I really look forward to the day when I can share my enthusiasm for photography with her and she can start experimenting with a camera all her own.
post #18 of 21
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When I take pictures of Adeline I always do so in a totally unobtrusive way ... we are playing FIRST, and the pictures either come or they don't. I never ask her to pose or even try to get her to smile or look at the camera.
This is wonderful. I'm not as avid a photographer as you, but when I do have the camera out, I'm the same way about getting pictures if they come and not worrying about it if they don't. It's a huge pet peeve of mine when family members try to get my DS to pose or perform for the camera. I find myself gently but adamantly saying, "Just let him play -- the pictures will be cute no matter what." I have an aunt who is very into pictures, but she's more interested in getting the "right" shot than enjoying the experience, and it's sad to see her two DDs plaster fake, "okay, go ahead mom" smiles on their faces every time she whips out her camera.

As far as your mom goes, I would just tell her that photography is a hobby of yours -- it's not about placing importance on your DD's appearance. If your hobby was cooking, you'd have your DD in the kitchen helping you mix up batter and sprinkle cheese, you know? If you were a poet, I'm sure your DD would be the subject of many of your poems, and it wouldn't mean she had to live up to any unreasonable expectations, it would just mean that you love her and want to involve her in your interests. It's great to have passion for something, and I think you're absolutely right that some day your DD will love to be right along beside you snapping away with her own little camera.
post #19 of 21
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"Your hair suits you that way", "the colour of your eyes reminds me of X", "I like the dress you chose", "you made a real effort to look nice today and it shows" all seem to value specific efforts or specific attributes of the child. They also don't have the negative implication of "you are beautiful", which to my mind is "not everyone is, and I like you better because you are". More specific compliments leave open more room for other people to have equally positive, but different attributes.
I am similarly inclined, and I tend to express myself this way to my children. However, whenever I do, my own mother cringes. She says, "My mom used to talk to me that way, and I couldn't stand it. She never said I was smarrt or beautiful, so I thought she didn't think I was." I makes me think...if I do think my children are smart and beautiful, I certainly want them to know I do!
post #20 of 21
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I tell my children that they are beautiful every day. My mother did the same for me. It was really comforting to me to know that my mom thought I was beautiful when I was going through that awkward stage that most of us go through. I could always say to myself, "At least my mom thinks I'm pretty." It feels good to hear it still, and I won't deny my children that.
I love this. My mom did not want to focus on our looks and wanted my sisters and I to be proud of our intelligence and talents. I am now a grown woman, successful, strong and happy... and I still wish my mother had told me I was beautiful.
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