HORRIFIC legislation - Page 3

[gibsonsmom]

don't panic

Utah can try to pass whatever legislation it wants but it won't actually stop anyone from giving birth at home or where they want to. There is a large population of people in Utah who live very separatist lifestyles and those folks would never consider giving birth anywhere besides their home.

Also, does anyone else find it ironic that in a country (USA) with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the WORLD, most of which result from the hospital environment, that anyone would try to stop home births?

[Kidzaplenty]

Originally Posted by gibsonsmom

Also, does anyone else find it ironic that in a country (USA) with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the WORLD, most of which result from the hospital environment, that anyone would try to stop home births?

I think it should be quite obvious to everyone, however the doctors and hospitals use their statistics (ie. the effect) as proof that their are needed. Crazy logic.

[nudnik]

Oh, don't give them any ideas!

[cbmr777]

That's awful. I'm planning my 1st HB after 2 awful hospital experiences. According to Utah, I'd risk on 4 things. Funny, because I had healthy normal vaginal births.

(L) any other condition that may present an unreasonable risk of harm to a pregnant woman or unborn child.

Boy... that sure leaves it open... who gets to decide what is "unreasonable risk of harm"? :

[veganbaby]

I don't understand how many of the things listed on there affect whether or not you can have a home birth.

[mlec]

Originally Posted by onlyboys

For the baby size, midwives can't determine the weight of a baby! Are they going to require an ultrasound?

Ultrasounds can't determine the weight of a baby accurately, either!

This is ridiculous. Yet another example of current medical fads getting in the way of reality. The GBS thing really burns me. As if there are no risks to antibiotics!!!! Especially in a hospital setting, where c. difficile is just waiting to colonize that vacated intestine.

How can the law force these "at risk" women to assume the far greater risk of a hospital birth?

Truly disturbing.

[guestmama9911]

This is what the Senator who created the bill said about it in the papers.

"People should have the choice: from the highest-end obstetrician to staying home alone in the dark in the bathroom. All the choices are not equal," said Dayton, who introduced her bill Monday. "We need to go back and make some definition of what we have granted."

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5166202

It won't pass, but it is still very infuriating, the kindof groundless BS people try to pass off as medical fact. Luckily it seems to be back-firing, since we are having lots of public opportunities to educate people about actual homebirth safety and statistics.

[janellesmommy]

The minimum and maximum birth weight restrictions apply to previous babies, not the current pregnancy.

[Kritto]

Gah!!! This state is so :

[guestmama9911]

Originally Posted by Kritto

Gah!!! This state is so :

Only if it actually passes....

[Kritto]

Originally Posted by alisaterry

Only if it actually passes....

True...thank you for that reminder. Guess I should have cooled down from reading the bill before posting.

BTW, great editorial in the paper today, Alisa! (http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_5221384)

[guestmama9911]

Originally Posted by Kritto

True...thank you for that reminder. Guess I should have cooled down from reading the bill before posting.

BTW, great editorial in the paper today, Alisa! (http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_5221384)

Thanks!

[mamaverdi]

Ahhh come on Arwyn, don't give 'em any ideas.

I guess they didn't want to put that in there because they didn't want an outright REVOLT.

[sebarnes]

I just wanted to address the question regarding the GBS+ status and antibiotics. Although the 2005 bill does not grant LDEMs the right to use IVs and IV antibiotics, it does contain a clause that allows LDEMs to use any other medications that a doctor approves for them to use. All of the LDEMs that I know have gotten approval from a doctor to be able to use IVs and IV antibiotics in case a client wants to go that route to treat GBS. However, the 2005 law does not require women to test, nor does it risk them out if they test positive and don't want to use antibiotics or use an alternative treatment.

Thank you all you Utah women for your hard work! You make it all possible!

Shannon Barnes
President, Utah Friends of Midwives

[Arwyn]

Originally Posted by mamaverdi

Ahhh come on Arwyn, don't give 'em any ideas.

I guess they didn't want to put that in there because they didn't want an outright REVOLT.

Sorry.

[Sweetiemommy]

This is regarding direct entry midwives, not certified nurse midwives btw. Still sucks.

[sebarnes]

Originally Posted by Sweetiemommy

This is regarding direct entry midwives, not certified nurse midwives btw. Still sucks.

It does, however, have implication for the Holladay birth center CNMs. They are only allowed to handle "normal" births, and this bill will put into legislation what "normal" is. It may end up restricting the birth center even further.

[tammyswanson]

What's next, forcing all women to have a C-section??? I don't live far enough out in the boonies, apparently. :

[Lady Lilya]

Originally Posted by barefoot mama

Wow. That's extremely scary and Big Brother-ish. According to those guidelines, I know of no one that would be eligible for home birth. It just blows my mind that people think this way.

I still would. I don't know anyone else who would.

Originally Posted by MelanieMC

Well, I live in a state where midwifery is already legal. All midwives here practice "underground" (with the exception of CNMs who practice in hospitals - no homebirths), so even if things like this pass in other states there will still be midwives around.

I can't believe that the gov. thinks it has a right to dictate to me where and how I can give birth. :

My husband says "midwifery not allowed? Why don't they just burn them at the stake like they used to!?!?! Is this the same country of people who revolted at a 10% tax? Why do Americans tolerate this? I just can't believe it!"

[flyjawn]

well i say you should all pack up and move to canada!

you might freeze your asses off but at least your homebirths and midwifery care would be covered under our universal healthcare.