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Poll Results: Severus Snape: Friend or Foe?

 
  • 79% (212)
    Friend. Dumbledore's never wrong.
  • 7% (19)
    Foe. Snape's tricked Dumbledore.
  • 13% (37)
    Not decided yet
268 Total Votes  
post #61 of 170
post #62 of 170
I voted friend... but I don't think that Dumbledore's always right. He himself said that he makes mistakes, very large ones. But I'm holding out hope that this is not one of his mistakes.
post #63 of 170
I still don't think we're going to know for certain until after the end of the last book, and maybe not even then.
post #64 of 170
I wouldn't say Dumbledore was never wrong. He made some mistakes. But this didn't feel like something he was mistaken about. He was too sure, whatever his criteria were just seemed to certain.
post #65 of 170
I haven't read through this whole thread so...Has anyone brought up the Foe Glass in GOF? When Harry is trapped in Moody's office (really Barty Crouch transfigured by polyjuice potion) and Dumbledore, McGonagall and Snape rush in, it says their reflections are all in the glass--ALL foes of Barty Crouch. Then, Snape sees himself in the glass still reflected back. She makes the point twice.

Crouch's foes are Voldemort's foes. Snape was in the glass so therefore is good.

Q.E.D.
post #66 of 170
Interesting point about the foe glass... I missed that! I wonder, though about what the foe glass senses. In that situation, Snape (whether he was "good" or just "playing good" to fool everyon) was not going to be good for Barty Jr.

So... if the foe glass tips you off based on overall intention, then Snape is good. However, if the foe glass just indicates who's going to cause you harm in this particular moment, then it could go either way.

Also, remember... the point has been made a few times that foe glasses (and other "dark detectors") can be quite easily fooled... so Snape could have fooled it.

But I still think Snape's gonna come out on the good side. Now that Dumbledore's dead, it's all I have to cling to.
post #67 of 170
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Originally Posted by ColoradoMama View Post
I totally think Snape is a good guy - well, kind of a pain - but on the good side. I think he was giving Harry hints during their whole last confrontation. I also think that Dumbledore was pleading with Snape to finish the job NOT to spare him.



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google dumbledore is alive and they have a great site that talks about this... it was very good... oh i'll find a link!


http://www.dumbledoreisverymuchalive.blogspot.com/
post #68 of 170
We'll be finding out soon!
post #69 of 170
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Originally Posted by Super Pickle View Post
Friend. Oh, I hope he is a friend. I believe he was secretly in love with Lily Potter, which is part of why he hated James so much, and why he turned against Voldemort (when he found out he was going after the Potters), and why he hates Harry so much (she died to save him).
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I think he dislikes Harry because he looks so much like James. I've always wanted to believe that he really is good!
post #70 of 170
Im so freakin excited for book 7, this whole thread gave me goosebumps just thinking about it. I reread book 6 yesterday, and my final conclusion is that in some twisted way snape is on the good side. Dumbledore wanted snape to "off" him, but I wonder about the circumstances, if it was all in their plan. Malfoy could'nt and the death eaters would'nt, how lucky that snape got to do it-perhaps him doing the killing had to be part of the plan? I kinda feel like it was important that snape was the one doing the cursing-and not just a random DeathEater. Who knows-me-in a few weeks!! yee whoo
post #71 of 170
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Originally Posted by mimim View Post
I still think Snape is on the side of the OOP.

"Please, Severus." meant "Please kill me if you have to so our plan to stop Voldemort isn't ruined".
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I think Severus is good, and that this was a necessary step. Sacrifice for the greater good.
post #72 of 170
I voted, "Friend." Dumbledore isn't going to let himself get killed by Snape, it was a contingency because it would have been far worse to let Draco Malfoy do down the path of the death eater by killing Dumbledore, the lesser of the evils was to put that upon the sholders of death eater turned good; Snape.

Snape is complex and delicious and, sorry, Alan Rickman playing Snape makes me weak in the knees.
post #73 of 170
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Originally Posted by lauradbg View Post
I haven't read through this whole thread so...Has anyone brought up the Foe Glass in GOF? When Harry is trapped in Moody's office (really Barty Crouch transfigured by polyjuice potion) and Dumbledore, McGonagall and Snape rush in, it says their reflections are all in the glass--ALL foes of Barty Crouch. Then, Snape sees himself in the glass still reflected back. She makes the point twice.

Crouch's foes are Voldemort's foes. Snape was in the glass so therefore is good.

Q.E.D.
Fascinating theory!

I just finished my re-reading of GOF but maybe I'll re-read that scene before moving onto OoTP.
post #74 of 170
oh, i'm having such a hard time with this. i just re-read 5 & 6 & while i feel that Snape *was* loyal to dumbledore (thanks to the old infamous harry potter thread that is long gone now ) i can see the idea that dumbledore was pleading to snape to kill him, sparing draco the responsibility. but he does truly hate harry. so, can he be a friend to the order but not to harry? ugh, :
post #75 of 170
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Originally Posted by bobica View Post
oh, i'm having such a hard time with this. i just re-read 5 & 6 & while i feel that Snape *was* loyal to dumbledore (thanks to the old infamous harry potter thread that is long gone now ) i can see the idea that dumbledore was pleading to snape to kill him, sparing draco the responsibility. but he does truly hate harry. so, can he be a friend to the order but not to harry? ugh, :
I think some part of Snape will change towards that slightly once he actually notices Harry's eyes.

IMO, that's why Harry's eyes are important and Snape won't budge until he sees who Harry really is.


It might be a wild theory though.
post #76 of 170
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Originally Posted by bobica View Post
(thanks to the old infamous harry potter thread that is long gone now )
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Originally Posted by abimommy View Post
I think some part of Snape will change towards that slightly once he actually notices Harry's eyes.

IMO, that's why Harry's eyes are important and Snape won't budge until he sees who Harry really is.
Ew. Just the thought of the old thread (removed for too many links to sexually explicit fan fiction) combined with "everything will change once Snape looks deeply into Harry's eyes" just gave me a really, really icky taste in my mouth. Teachers just don't belong with their 17yo students.
post #77 of 170
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Originally Posted by bobica View Post
thanks to the old infamous harry potter thread that is long gone now
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
Ew. Just the thought of the old thread (removed for too many links to sexually explicit fan fiction) combined with "everything will change once Snape looks deeply into Harry's eyes" just gave me a really, really icky taste in my mouth. Teachers just don't belong with their 17yo students.
What an amazing coincidence. I haven't perused the fan fic archives in a long time, but just now came across "Yes, But...", by Aestel. This was my very first favorite fan fic, discovered waaay back at the beginning of that infamous thread. I thought the story was long abandoned. She hadn't updated in almost a year. All the fun of pairing up my favorite teacher with a young woman , without the icky age-of-consent issue .
post #78 of 170
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
Ew. Just the thought of the old thread (removed for too many links to sexually explicit fan fiction) combined with "everything will change once Snape looks deeply into Harry's eyes" just gave me a really, really icky taste in my mouth. Teachers just don't belong with their 17yo students.
NO! Ew!

I just mean, everyone mentions Harry looks like his dad and Snape can't get past that, he mentions his father several times and is very nasty about it. But..he doesn't mention Lily once.

He is the *ONLY* person in the books who is "I knew your dad blah blah blah" or "I hate your dad blah blah blah" or "Your dead parents muwhahaha!" who doesn't mention Lily. He says absolutely nothing about her. Everyone else refers to his "parents" or mentions them both individually.

Snape is the only person in the books who talks about James but is completely silent about Lily. He never even says "parents" only "your dad was an arrogant prick blah blah blah"

The thing I am really wondering is; *Why* would Voldemort have let Lily live? Why would he even bother? There is no indication in any of the acts the Death Eaters do that they have any sort of habit of just letting someone live. ESPECIALLY when it is mentioned that both James and Lily defied Voldemort.

Why would he let her live?
post #79 of 170
Are we sure that Voldie was planning to actually LET Lilly live, or did he simply want to kill Harry first and then his parents afterwards, to make a nice, clean kill?

Or maybe he had some sort of use for her alive?
post #80 of 170
I think Dumbledore made a disasterous mistake with Snape. I think Snape is Voldemorts.

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I think Snape killed Dumbledore, not Dumbledore begged Snape to end his pain. Nope, I think Snape murdered Dumbledore. Snape was bound by the unbreakable curse.


Now I know there are people who disagree with me. While on bedrest I re-read the Harry Potter books from book one.... It is amazing what conversations carrying around a Harry Potter book will spark. People from the janitor, clerks, other patients, nurses to big specialist docs have their own opinions about the books. I got into a heated debate with my OB over the dumbledore/Snape issue. I told her she was wrong on that but still a good doctor.
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