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post #1 of 298
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After reading the thread in TAO it got me thinking.

There was a point made something along the lines of 'adopted kids are not bio kids'. I have to admitt it sort of irked me. IMO adoption is no big deal. I was not technically adopted but I was not raised by my bio parents. I am an adoptive mother as well. I dont really see a difference between myself, my adopted daughter, and bio children. I have spoken to many adult adoptees for whom adoption is 'no big thing' and just the way they entered their family.

So I wonder, why is such a big deal made around adoption? Why is it such a point to illustrate the differences b/w adopted kids and bio kids when in all honesty, I see little to no differences?
post #2 of 298
I think no matter how some poeple claim they are all fine with adoption and seeing multi racial families- they just don't get IT. I'm not sure how to describe it but know exactly what you mean. My daughter is my daughter, wether she came out of my body or not I feel like she was always my daughter and fate just decided that adoption was the way she was going to come to me. I think people have a genuine curiousity about adoption. They don't quite understand how it all works and like seeing if there is a connection between the child and the family. But really yes it irks me...
post #3 of 298
You know I've read a lot about this issue on both sides. I used to think it was no big deal but after doing some reading and talking to some adult adoptees, I think that having such a cavalier attitude (me, not you ) could possibly hinder my adopted daughter. I think, like most parenting areas, this is another area that requires a sort of delicate balance.

By assuming adoption is no big deal you could very well completely devalue what your own adopted child/ren feel or experience. The fact is that many adopt adoptees have felt like being adopted affected them in all kinds of ways, regardless of how wonderful or loving their adoptive parents were. Many adopted children, even infants, come into their forever families with a whole history of loss and pain and it can devalue that history to just pretend that it did not exist. I know, for me, the minute I met my daughter it felt like we had known each other for a lifetime. I have to work, daily, to remember that she had a history before me and may have pain and loss to grieve and just because *my* experience was that it felt like she had grown in my womb doe snot necessarily mean that was *her* experience.

At the same time, I think it is important to not make adoption who the child IS. I think sometimes the pendulum swings so violently that a parent can start to see everything a child says and does as a reflection of their Adoption Status instead of just as normal age-appropriate behavior or curiosity. I think this is just as harmful.

So my opinion is that, yes, it is an issue. No, it is not a BIG issue. There is a healthy balance where we don't make it who our child is and we don't pretend it is a complete non-issue either.
post #4 of 298
Never mind.
post #5 of 298
I can't add much more to this thread because I agree with what everybody has said so far and have those exact same feelings. I also feel that my children were conceived and born for ME, yet they do have a different story than bio children have. We talk about their birthfamilies and have contact with some of them (it's hard with the birthmoms because they are very dysfunctional). My children will always know about their birthmoms and we have gone to the edge of hades and back to get as much information and meet as many birth relatives as possible so that they will never be left guessing about anything.

Where's Laurel???? I know she will have something beautiful to say (I think she is my new hero. ).
post #6 of 298
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Originally Posted by BCFD View Post
I also feel that my children were conceived and born for ME, yet they do have a different story than bio children have.
Hmm...maybe this is just a semantics thing, but for me personally, I do not feel that my children were conceived and born for ME. They were concieved and born for themselves.

Their conceptions and births had nothing to do with me. It was an experience between them and their birthparents.

Having said that, I do feel like we are a great fit for one another, and I absolutely feel 100% that they are my children and I am their mother. I also feel like there was something spiritual and profound that we found one another in this lifetime, and made a family.

Everybody, every birthfamily, every adopted family, every adopted child experiences adoption differently. For some folks, it will end up feeling like it has been more profound than for others. mamanicki put it very well. I am open to whatever my children might feel.

As for how we treat it in our family, we treat it as a part of our children's stories. It is the facts of their lives. It may or may not be one of the most significant facts when they look back years from now.
post #7 of 298
Oh great, now I have a reputation to live up to!

I agree a lot with mamanicki. I think there is a delicate balance to keep in check, and I also think it's important to recognize that I do not "own" the adoption experience for my children.

For me, adoption is not a huge deal. I don't stress or obsess about it on a daily basis. There are things that I"ve lost; there are things that I've gained. Sometimes issues do come up for me that I need to work through in my own mind. Sometimes when I do too much reading or listen too much to the messages of society, I question certain things. But mainly, I love my children. I care for them, teach them, nurture them every single day, and that takes the bulk of my time and energy. I have had precious experiences with my children teaching me about what it means to be a mother. I absolutely love the fact that I get to experience the connection with birth families. I think there are unique things about adoption that are really special that compensate for any losses, and for me, the whole area of birth families is one of those things. Sharing the placement experience with my son's birth mother was one of the most profound experiences of my whole life, and I wanted to shout from the rooftops that peope who only gave birth were missing out in never getting to experience it.

However, I recognize that my experience may not be my child's experience. It pains me to think that my child may hurt because of being adopted. It is one of those "issues" that comes up for me periodically that has to be continally re-worked through--I have to reaffirm to myself that we can cross that bridge, and that I as a parent will be strong enough and open enough to handle it if that time comes. It is frightening to me to think that one day my child may be extremely angry about being adopted. I have lurked on the adoptee thread, here, Emilie, and yes, it scares me to think that my child might experience a hurt and anger so big and so deep and that some of it might be directed at me. I look at my imperfections and failings as a parent every day and worry that my child might hold it over my head some day.

I sincerely hope that my awareness of this possibility will help me prepare for it, not run from it. I don't spend all my time thinking or worrying about these things. In fact, it is comparatively little time. Honestly, I think that spending too much time dwelling on this stuff saps my energy from my parenting. It diminishes my confidence and keeps me from being the parent that I need to be. So there is a balance there for me. I want to be open to my child's feelings, yet I also want to create a strong foundation of belief for my children to build on in helping them understand adoption in a positive, yet balanced way. I do believe that as a parent, I can have a strong influence on my child's adoption experience...but I can't completely control it, nor should I. It's just that balance of teaching them the things that I think will help them understand while at the same time trying to be open to their feelings and experiences if they differ from what I expect and want. It's tough! I am positive that I will make mistakes, and that is the one thing I do fear--that my children will be angry at me for my mistakes as I witness some of the anger that is out there from some adoptees.

OK, now I made it sound like I am contradicting myself and that adoption is a huge deal to me. But really it's not...the above thoughts that I expressed are not hounding me all the time or anything; they just come up occasionally. I think that has to be a good thing, though, because I think they're important things to think about.
post #8 of 298
HI. Big wave and hello!
I do not lurk here. I think this is the first time I have come here actually.... at least for a long while- like not in the past year at least.

I do have anger- not at adoption, not at adoptive mothers, not at biological mothers- but at my own experience in regards to my LIFE. that started when I was concieved of and given away by my biological mother.

To be adopted by my mom and dad whom had their own reasons for adopting.... only to get pregnant 3 months later....

I have my own life story- that does involve adoption- I would be glad to share it.
I do not hold my anger over my mothers head. I am angry at her and she knows it. She is angry at herself.
I am more than happy to discuss MY experience of MY life with anyone.
It is sad. Lots of it is sad.
I am sorry to make anyone feel bad.... it is not my intent. But I DO hope I can help you to see.... or think.... or feel..... a bit of what your child COULD feel someday.


Emilie
post #9 of 298
Yes, Emilie, I would like to hear your experience.

Please don't feel like you're making anyone feel bad. Your experience is your experience. My issues are my own issues too. Reading about adoptees' experiences doesn't make me feel a certain way. It just makes me aware that not all experiences with adoption are good, or simple. My own worries for my kids take over from there.

I am especially interested to know specifically what you wished your parents would have done differently. You also mentioned that your mother is angry with herself, and if it's not too personal I am interested to know what she is angry about.
post #10 of 298
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Originally Posted by Sierra
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Originally Posted by BCFD
I also feel that my children were conceived and born for ME, yet they do have a different story than bio children have.

Hmm...maybe this is just a semantics thing, but for me personally, I do not feel that my children were conceived and born for ME. They were concieved and born for themselves.
I am not very religious, but I am very spiritual and believe that the universe has a mysterious way of working. You're right...maybe it's just semantics, but I honestly believe that my spirit and my children's spirts belong together. I never meant to suggest that I own my children in some way. I believe divine intervention was a part of my infertility and why I never gave birth. I believe that a higher power had a plan for me and my children and that is why they are my babies and I am their mommy. I think about their birthmothers every single day of my life and pray for their safety. I feel connected to those women and believe that my life was supposed to be intertwined with theirs like this for a reason (one I may never know). The day I met my DD#1's birthmom I sobbed like a baby for 10 minutes before I could collect myself. She was stunned at my reaction and asked me why I was crying. I simply told her the truth and told her that I loved her for the gift she has given me. Then she cried. It was one of the most beautiful moments I have ever shared with another human being. I wish I could have hugged her, but she was behind glass and I was talking to her on a phone (she was in jail, which is a whole other story....see below). I pray with all my heart that their birthmom's will even be alive in 20 years to know the children they gave birth to....to see how incredibly beautiful and charming and happy they are. But knowing their history, I am sad to say that my children may never know their birthmoms as adults. That's why we spend so much time in making those connections now. Hope that was more clear.

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Originally Posted by Laurel
I absolutely love the fact that I get to experience the connection with birth families. I think there are unique things about adoption that are really special that compensate for any losses, and for me, the whole area of birth families is one of those things. Sharing the placement experience with my son's birth mother was one of the most profound experiences of my whole life, and I wanted to shout from the rooftops that peope who only gave birth were missing out in never getting to experience it.
Wow...have you ever thought about writing a book about adoption? Seriously, Laurel, your words are truly amazing and inspiring! The above paragraph is so true for me. It's like you are inside of my head!

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Originally Posted by Laurel
However, I recognize that my experience may not be my child's experience. It pains me to think that my child may hurt because of being adopted. It is one of those "issues" that comes up for me periodically that has to be continally re-worked through--I have to reaffirm to myself that we can cross that bridge, and that I as a parent will be strong enough and open enough to handle it if that time comes. It is frightening to me to think that one day my child may be extremely angry about being adopted. I have lurked on the adoptee thread, here, Emilie, and yes, it scares me to think that my child might experience a hurt and anger so big and so deep and that some of it might be directed at me. I look at my imperfections and failings as a parent every day and worry that my child might hold it over my head some day.
There you go again....this is just worded beautifully. Exactly how I feel.

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Originally Posted by Laurel
I sincerely hope that my awareness of this possibility will help me prepare for it, not run from it. I don't spend all my time thinking or worrying about these things. In fact, it is comparatively little time. Honestly, I think that spending too much time dwelling on this stuff saps my energy from my parenting. It diminishes my confidence and keeps me from being the parent that I need to be. So there is a balance there for me. I want to be open to my child's feelings, yet I also want to create a strong foundation of belief for my children to build on in helping them understand adoption in a positive, yet balanced way. I do believe that as a parent, I can have a strong influence on my child's adoption experience...but I can't completely control it, nor should I. It's just that balance of teaching them the things that I think will help them understand while at the same time trying to be open to their feelings and experiences if they differ from what I expect and want. It's tough! I am positive that I will make mistakes, and that is the one thing I do fear--that my children will be angry at me for my mistakes as I witness some of the anger that is out there from some adoptees.
I also think about adoption like this, but it doesn't run our lives. I just love reading your posts. Will you marry me? I know my DP won't mind.

Two of my DD's have the same birthmom (the one I spoke of above who was in jail). The connection to this woman is so strong for me that when we found out she had been arrested and was in jail (through other birth relatives), we high tailed it down there to meet her for the first time. I told DP, "Hey, we know how to find her now!" (we had been searching since DD's birth). I figured she would do one of two things: get up and leave and tell us to leave her alone and never come back *OR* she would talk to us. She sat with us for an hour and we talked and cried and I left with a broken heart. I wanted (still want) so badly for this woman to get her life together and be a part of my children's life.

I guess I don't really know what I'm trying to say and I feel like I'm all over the map on this one. But the bottom line is that I agree with Laurel in that I do think about adoption a lot, but I don't dwell on it. I'm too busy being a mommy to 3 girls that are 26 months old and under!!!!
post #11 of 298
Sesa70: ITA with everything you said. I am not adopted nor have I adopted - but both my brother & my husband are adopted & I see no difference in my or dhs family between them & bio kids.

When my brothers first dd was born, my mom looked at her & said "oh look at her toes - she has the [maidenname] toes." My brother looked at my mom & said well, thats pretty funny mom since Im not genetically related to you. My mom laughed & said oh yea, thats right.

Niether my brother nor my dh ever wanted to search for their bio parents or anything & so I guess since Ive never seen adopted children treated differently than bio children my view is based on that!
post #12 of 298
I do not mean to come off rough. I am not at all. I support adoption. I support adoption education too.....

I do not have the time to post on this right now but I am going to reflect and come up with a good response. I think that most adoptive parents have their hearts in the right place. I just think there is a definite lack of understanding because it is something hard to understand. There is a ton of raw emotion in our support thread- and it of course is not a closed thread so anyone can read it. There is alot of honesty there.....

Emilie
post #13 of 298
edited due to double post.
post #14 of 298
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I am not very religious, but I am very spiritual
I am very religious and very spiritual, and I totally "get" what you are saying.

I think it is largely a semantics thing.
post #15 of 298
I follow the everything happens for a reason line of thinking.... it is hard from an adoptees or bio moms pov tho to see it this way?
post #16 of 298
Absolutely. While adoption is beautiful, it also involves a real loss. Loss is difficult, spiritually, whether it is a death of a child or parent, or another type of loss in that relationship.
post #17 of 298
I guess I want to add that in some cases, it technically isn't as much adoption that involves the loss, as it is the termination of parental rights. The two are not always a completely hand-in-hand process. There are kids in foster care who have definitely experienced that loss, but not experienced adoption. Adoption, for some, is only a marker of a loss that has already occurred...even as it is also a marker of the begining of something too.
post #18 of 298
The only thing that irritates me is when people put adoption down, like those kids aren't good enough. I was having a conversation with someone who's aunt and uncle had 7 children, all girls. They didn't want 7 children, they just wanted a boy. So they kept trying. I asked him if they had thought of adoption and he looked right at me and very rudely said: "They want a BIOLOGICAL son." That made me so mad. It makes me feel as though they have their DNA on a pedestal or something.

My bf is the same way. I'm still trying to figure him out. He doesn't want to adopt a son, only a daughter, and his reason for it is that he wants a biological son to carry on the name. We got in a big argument about that one...big.
post #19 of 298
I have been thinking about you all all night. I have just a minute to let you know that.
Emilie
post #20 of 298
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Originally Posted by mamanicki View Post
You know I've read a lot about this issue on both sides. I used to think it was no big deal but after doing some reading and talking to some adult adoptees, I think that having such a cavalier attitude (me, not you ) could possibly hinder my adopted daughter. I think, like most parenting areas, this is another area that requires a sort of delicate balance.

By assuming adoption is no big deal you could very well completely devalue what your own adopted child/ren feel or experience. The fact is that many adopt adoptees have felt like being adopted affected them in all kinds of ways, regardless of how wonderful or loving their adoptive parents were. Many adopted children, even infants, come into their forever families with a whole history of loss and pain and it can devalue that history to just pretend that it did not exist. I know, for me, the minute I met my daughter it felt like we had known each other for a lifetime. I have to work, daily, to remember that she had a history before me and may have pain and loss to grieve and just because *my* experience was that it felt like she had grown in my womb doe snot necessarily mean that was *her* experience.

At the same time, I think it is important to not make adoption who the child IS. I think sometimes the pendulum swings so violently that a parent can start to see everything a child says and does as a reflection of their Adoption Status instead of just as normal age-appropriate behavior or curiosity. I think this is just as harmful.

So my opinion is that, yes, it is an issue. No, it is not a BIG issue. There is a healthy balance where we don't make it who our child is and we don't pretend it is a complete non-issue either.
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