chelation,remineralization(wasDd's Teeth) - Page 2

[toraji]

Another thing I forgot to mention is that if the nutrients aren't in the soil, then they won't be in any animal foods grown on that soil either.

Healthy soil = healthy plants = healthy animals = healthy humans

We need to concentrate the good stuff into the limited amount of calories we can eat in a day. Unfortunately, we are battling not only declining nutrient levels, but increased levels of environmental toxins. And also unfortunately, animals foods are higher on the food chain and thus have higher levels of those environmental nasty things. Human breastmilk is incredibly polluted. And yet, we wouldn't stop breastfeeding because of that, right? There are still compounds in the milk that humans need which outweigh the toxins in it. So thus, I would not recommend cutting out animal foods because of toxin worries because of the same reasons.

All the nutrients in the land wash out to the sea. So we can just eat loads of seafood and be ok, right? Nope. With all the nutrients also wash out all the toxins and seafood is notoriously polluted, even more than land animals.

So we still need to detox all those nasties while trying to concentrate the good stuff. That is the role of the veggies; along with giving all sorts of good balance to the diet they give you a lot of nutritional boom without adding a lot of toxic bang and you can stuff them into your diet without skyrocketing your calorie consumption. Those humble veggies assist in digesting the heavier stuff; without them we could not properly assimilate all that fat and protein from animal foods.

On a related note, here's a good article from the Garden of Eating Diet folks debunking low-carb diets:
http://www.thegardenofeatingdiet.com...vetoatkins.asp
Although I don't agree with everything he says, he does bring up a lot of good points for thought.

[moneca]

Toraji - Good arguements. I'll work on increasing from one big salad a day to two. Darn, this might mean cutting down on my consumption of raw jalapeno cheddar: .

[toraji]

If you're already getting one big salad a day, you're way ahead of most people! You can put your raw jalapeno cheddar on your salad.

When I was actively remineralizing, I usually did one blended and one regular salad a day along with the increased cooked veggie consumption. I also tried to have something raw at every meal for enzymes to aid digestion (so that would be the salad or something like shredded raw carrot on top of baked potato etc).

[moneca]

I've actually been reading that most raw veggies don't have that many enzymes with the exception of avacado and olive oil which I do usually have on my salads. Oh, I do cover my salads with the cheddar. This detox/remin is a long road ,eh? I did find a second grey hair that was black for the last two inches of root - haven't dyed since August or September. This encourages me - yeah remin!

[HerthElde]

Originally Posted by moneca

I did find a second grey hair that was black for the last two inches of root - haven't dyed since August or September. This encourages me - yeah remin!

Hmmm, I have about 3 or so grey hairs and have a feeling nutrition is the major culprit (my mom and grandma both only have a few greys) - remineralization, huh? Is there a thread for this specific thing? I also posted a thread in H&H about my rosacea issues.

[newcastlemama]

Toraji-

That was my vegan experience also. Eating tons of veggies, feeling great for a month and then slowly getting weaker all the time.

Could you tell me what to put into a blended salad? I just came home with TONS of greens and veggies. I was also thinking that raw fermented veggies would be great with the meal where there were no raw vegs otherwise.

And, how long until you wait for your cavity to remineralize before you decide on a filling? I can see a brown spot on the top of my tooth and it is right next to the gumline...it does not hurt though.

Thanks,
Jen

[moneca]

Originally Posted by HerthElde

Hmmm, I have about 3 or so grey hairs and have a feeling nutrition is the major culprit (my mom and grandma both only have a few greys) - remineralization, huh? Is there a thread for this specific thing? I also posted a thread in H&H about my rosacea issues.

No thread that I know of. There have been two times in my life that major grey has come in and they were both times of extreme stress. For me, eating nutrient dense foods didn't make a difference in restoring my hair color until I was several months into my chelation program. I'm pretty toxic with metals so I had to start removing them so that my body could use the good nutrients I was giving it. Here is a link discussing heavy metals displacing nutrients :

http://www.incrediblehorizons.com/to....chelating.htm

"Heavy metals poison us by disrupting our cellular enzymes, which run on nutritional minerals such as magnesium, zinc, and selenium. Toxic metals kick out the nutrients and bind their receptor sites, causing diffuse symptoms by affecting nerves, hormones, digestion, and immune function."

[toraji]

Originally Posted by moneca

I've actually been reading that most raw veggies don't have that many enzymes with the exception of avacado and olive oil which I do usually have on my salads.

That seems odd. All the raw food info I've read including tidbits from NT said that raw food (which I'm assuming includes raw veggies) are teeming with live enzymes. <headscratch>

[toraji]

Originally Posted by newcastlemama

Could you tell me what to put into a blended salad? I just came home with TONS of greens and veggies. I was also thinking that raw fermented veggies would be great with the meal where there were no raw vegs otherwise.

And, how long until you wait for your cavity to remineralize before you decide on a filling? I can see a brown spot on the top of my tooth and it is right next to the gumline...it does not hurt though.

A blended salad is basically whatever you would put into a salad thrown into a blender and made into a raw veggie soup (which sounds a lot more appealing than a "blended salad" lol). Blended salads are especially great for kiddos since they usually have problems chewing all the raw veggies. They are also great for adults because the blender does a much more thorough job of chewing than we can, and thus you get a lot more nutrients out of it. To make a blended salad, put a bit of water and a handful of leaves like lettuce and a wee bit of kale (too much raw kale is not so good to eat, but a little is nice). Pulse and stomp it down with a carrot. You may need a little more liquid (water and a bit of raw apple cider vinegar) to get the leaves to whirl around and chop up. Then cut the carrot into chunks and add to the blender along with other veggie chunks, like celery, broccoli, cucumber etc (whatever you would normally add to a salad). Add olive oil, vinegar (if you haven't added any prior), raw garlic and seasonings to make your “dressing” and blend until to your texture preference. Some people like it smoother, some people like it more chunky.

Re: tooth decay
You can gauge your progress by looking at the color of the decay. Contrary to popular opinion, the darker the color of the cavity, the slower the rate of decay. Once it turns black, then the cavity is dead. So you can wait until this happens, or wait and see if the color is getting darker, assume your body is making positive changes, and then decide to fill then. Depends on
how you feel about having a black spot on your teeth. If it were on my front teeth I'd probably fill it sooner, because I'm vain like that.

Oh and i do have medical references on the black color = dead cavity that my DD's dentist gave me, if you need it to show proof to anyone PM me and I can send you the PDF.

[toraji]

Oh and here's another thing I just remembered:

on this page from the Soil and Health library, you can download a booklet written by William Albrecht all about soil conditions and correlated human/animal health. He found that in areas with poor soils, people and animals had poor health.

Here's the description: "The most concise yet complete statement of how climatic variations in soil fertility (or human intervention through management practices) results in hugely differing levels of animal (and human) nutrition, and consequently, differing levels of health. This booklet contains a goodly number of illustrations and consequently is a rather sizeable download, a PDF of 1.36 mb."

It's the first one on this list: http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglib...010143idx.html

[newcastlemama]

Thanks so much!!! It is great to have info form someone who has BTDT!!!

I really like the soil and health website.

I will think of the "blended salad" as "raw soup" instead lol It actaully sounds really good.

The cavity is on a side tooth and it is a faint brown line near my gumline. I only noticed it because I was looking really close in the mirror flossing and thought it was a piece of food. As I understand, I want it to turn black quickly because that means I am stopping the decay. Then fill it in so I can't see the black spot, but I can know from the spot that I reversed the decay.....Sorry, I can be kind of slow to understand online since I am a visual learner!

Thanks again,
Jen

[HerthElde]

Originally Posted by moneca

I've actually been reading that most raw veggies don't have that many enzymes with the exception of avacado and olive oil which I do usually have on my salads.

I read something similar just last night, but I don't remember where - I was poking around the beyondveg site and soilandhealth (read some of a book by Ross Horne called "Beyond Pritikin" - I think it may have been in this book, and it seems to me he referenced Harry(?) Bieler, but I was just skimming and now I can't find it . . .)

[Taedareth]

Originally Posted by moneca

For me, eating nutrient dense foods didn't make a difference in restoring my hair color until I was several months into my chelation program.

Can someone link me to a good article on chelation? I've seen some talk about it on this forum but it would take a long time to read all the posts on a gigantic thread. It would sure be helpful if I could find an article that explicitly explains what chelation is, how to do it, what the health risks are for breastfeeding moms, etc. Thank you!!

[Metasequoia]

Jen,

I've gone to my dentist so many times because I've found a dark line near my gumline, convinced that I had a massice cavity that would require a root canal only to have her say, "It's just a stain, relax." I'm a wimp about the dentist, a biiiiig wimp. I have also had some that were sensitive and they still weren't decayed, just stained.

The gray hair - I have LOADS! I've had it since I was 17. It's gotten progressively worse (I just turned 30 last month) & I'm a really high-stress kinda person. I saw a chiro for a while who does NMT & NET (neuro modulation technique & neuro emotional technique) & he said I had heavy metals (found by muscle testing.) He was *shocked* when he looked in my mouth & found that I had never had an amalgam filling. Where the heck would I have gotten so toxic if this is true?
I'm nursing Ds & will be for another 3 years or so so chelation isn't an option. I can't wait to be able to detox/chelate. Guess I should do a different method of testing so I can see how bad it really is.

So, I don't want a multi-vit/min, JUST a mineral complex? :

Sorry to derail this thread even further, I've really enjoyed all of this conversation - good stuff.

[HerthElde]

Originally Posted by Metasequoia

Sorry to derail this thread even further, I've really enjoyed all of this conversation - good stuff.

No problem - this is one of the best conversations I've had in a while I'll just keep changing the thread title (added bonus is it gets more people looking )

[RootBeerFloat]

Toraji, can you please give me a sample menu of what you might eat in a day? I'm trying to move us more in the direction of lots of veggies as we do some gut healing work and a rotation diet. We need more variety! From what you descibe above, I'm curious if what you're doing would help us.

Also, a question about salads. My understanding is that salads are a "cooling" food from a Traditional Chinese Medicine standpoint. In particular, they are stresful to the liver system. I am concerned about issues of liver toxicity for me and it's been suggested to me that my lunch salad isn't the best choice (instead I've been doing soups made from bone broth and lots of veggies). Do you have any thoughts on this? I have been getting frequent headaches after I eat my salad, but I'm not sure it's the cause.

thanks!

[moneca]

HerthElde - Thanks for being so cool about your thread changing focus. I guess Toraji and I don't get enough in the chelation thread.

I honestly couldn't point anyone to one specific article on chelation because there are so many methods - some dangerous. First, don't ever chelate when bf or prego. You stir up the metals which increase exposure to your nursling and fetus. Don't chelate if you have amalgams in your mouth.
www.iaomt.org has a wonderful video "smoking teeth" that talks about matermal mercury transmission to the fetus.
www.noamalgam.com has info on chelation and mercury toxicity. I believe that the degree of mercury toxicity has a lot to do with the state of your natural detox pathways. While you don't want to chelate or detox during bf or being prego, you can improve your own natural detox pathways. You can do this by adding a selenium supplement and taking sodium ascorbate or natural vitamin C versions (amalaki berry, acerola berry) that neutralize toxins. I have one book Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins that discusses the ability of vitamin C in high doses to neutralize mercury to a less harmful form.
For more on chelation saftey and alternative methods see chelating mamas in the dental forum.

Toraji - I totally agree about the soil condition affecting everything we eat. The blended salad is a great idea. I might try this on dd since her stomach motility is so bad that she never breaks down anything with cellulose. She never gets raw veggies. This might do the trick - thanks.

[Taedareth]

Thanks for the info, Moneca No chelation during bf or pregnancy? Hmm then the next decade is out, for me. I do have dental fillings. What are the consequences of not chelating and/or getting metal fillings removed? How long does it take to chelate? Can it be done in a couple months (between weaning one child and conceiving again) or does it take a long time? (Sorry if those questions are already answered in the links you provided - DS needs me so I have to run now, will read up on the links later).

[westcoastmom]

Someone mentioned the idea of soil being a bigger factor than butter oil.

This was not a scientific study and I don't remember where I read it, but I remember reading a post by an alternative health care worker. In her practise she had a fair few people who followed NT. She noticed that those who used cod liver oil did have benefits; but there health gains were nowhere near the same as those people who took both butter oil and cod liver oil. Like I say, I don't remember where I read it and it was not an official scientific study; but it was obvious that she had noticed patterns among enough people to break down things that were making a difference. And she noticed that the people who took butter oil and cod liver oil had much better healing than those who only took cod liver oil.

At the time I had not have the NT book and had not read it; although we were following the dietary principles of NT. (Actually, I still have not read the whole book ......I have read some blurbs and used some of the recipes) and we have always been big on lots of fresh, raw veggies.

[HerthElde]

Originally Posted by Metasequoia

He was *shocked* when he looked in my mouth & found that I had never had an amalgam filling. Where the heck would I have gotten so toxic if this is true?

Do you subscribe to the homeopathic view of health at all? It would take me a while to explain (because I'm just learning), but I'm reading about the syphilitic miasm right now and its connection to mercury - also linked is why some people don't process the mercury as easily - the syphilitic miasm is linked to all sorts of things like suicidal depression, self-destructiveness, etc, etc - I'm actually seeing a lot of myself in what I'm reading (especially myself when I was a teen). Anyway, my dd has what I now see as syphilitic tantrums (its like she's not even there behind her eyes) and at some point I want to find a homeopath to find out whether there would be any disadvantage to just dosing her with syphilinium. Anyway, that's probably enough way-off-topicness, I just haven't yet found anyone yet on MDC who knows much about homeopathy (I'm sort of looking to learn more).