WAS there a polio case in Minnesota? - Page 2

[Deborah]

The baby was seven months old and the virus, they estimate, had been circulating for two years. So it was already in movement for 1 year and 5 months prior to the birth of the baby that started the whole thing. And the baby may not have been infected at birth. Although infected is probably an overexcited choice of term.

So there is really no way to know who had contact with the OPV and how that contact reached the Amish community, especially since they are not testing the general population to see if the OPV is all over the place.

[wonderwahine]

Originally Posted by Deborah

So there is really no way to know who had contact with the OPV and how that contact reached the Amish community, especially since they are not testing the general population to see if the OPV is all over the place.

exactly, and im sure if they did, the occurance of non-symptomatic polio would rise.

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by LongIsland

Yesterday's announcement reveals the microbe is circulating among healthy children in the isolated community, which has about 200 people in 24 families.


Right.

Poliovirus, including vaccine-derived poliovirus, is only circulating in this one particular "isolated" community.

Have you checked out the package insert on the IPV?
They have a few references for their seroconversion "correlates of immunity". (which, as we all know, are what tend to be found lacking whenever it's discovered that the totally effective vaccines haven't actually been working).

Anyway...so when you check out those references, it's "unpublished data" from the manufacturer, and...

Research by...... Salk, J.

When they started recommending that the OPV be phased out in 2000, and the IPV reintroduced, they never did anything to boost the Salk vaccine efficacy. It's that same "grow some polio in monkey kidney, stir in some formaldehyde, and call it a vaccine" crap that tends to not have any (or extremely low) effectiveness when tried against a placebo.

Is there any vaccine we use now that's made like that? Every vaccine created since the 70's is at least adjuvanted, and most are conjugated or something. NONE of the "grow a virus, kill it, inject it, and call it a vaccine" vaccines have EVER worked. Flushots are the LAST of that whole idea. And they're going to be adjuvanted really soon.

As far fetched as it sounds, I'm seriously wondering if basically every child in the US under the age of 7 is walking around completely lacking immunity to polio.

[alegna]

Originally Posted by mamakay

As far fetched as it sounds, I'm seriously wondering if basically every child in the US under the age of 7 is walking around completely lacking immunity to polio.

Well, not *every* child since apparently a good number have been exposed to the OPV

Also, my understanding of the IPV is that it doesn't prevent transmission anyway, theoretically just paralysis. SOOoooooo.... all those kids who have had the IPV are probably picking up the OPV strain and passing it around too.....

-Angela

[~member~]

Don't forget that OPV is still given in the US if the child is contraindicted for the IPOL....I believe it says so in the package insert.

There was also a thread about the doctors using up the OPV vaccines in low-income areas, rather than destroy them.

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by alegna

Well, not *every* child since apparently a good number have been exposed to the OPV

Also, my understanding of the IPV is that it doesn't prevent transmission anyway, theoretically just paralysis. SOOoooooo.... all those kids who have had the IPV are probably picking up the OPV strain and passing it around too.....

-Angela

I'm really starting to wonder about the whole "prevents paralysis, but not transmission" thing.
Nobody knows how that could be. No other vaccines work like that. I've never read of any viral infection creating immunity like that.
The immune system isn't even supposed to work like that! There's no science even explaining how it could theoretically be so!
They say it "doesn't create mucosal immunity" but... what does it do?
And why isn't the manufacturer publishing their serology studies?

It's really, really weird...

[wonderwahine]

it could be that we are just not seeing paralysis because of good nutrition, hygiene, plumbing and the fact that only 1% of the 5% of symptomatic cases even get paraylisis.

[heldt123]

Originally Posted by junomama

I took that quote from the flu-in-MN thread but thought I'd start a new thread. My husband said he could have sworn that he heard about a case of polio here (we live in the Twin Cities), but I'd never heard of it. Apparently it was an immigrant from Asia or Africa who had it. Did that happen?

They made a big deal around here about that "case". I can still hear my relatives saying, "Now thats why vaccines are so important." while watching the news broadcast on that child.

You really mis-interpreted my post that you quoted. I didn't mean it literally, as in a "case of polio," for lack of any other way to describe it, I just was refering to "that case, issue, whatever you want to call it" as a reason to make people afraid of polio and to get vaccinated. I wasn't trying to start a debate about wether it was really polio or not, good grief.

Forgive me for not being a great technical worder....

[alegna]

Originally Posted by mamakay

I'm really starting to wonder about the whole "prevents paralysis, but not transmission" thing.
Nobody knows how that could be. No other vaccines work like that. I've never read of any viral infection creating immunity like that.
The immune system isn't even supposed to work like that! There's no science even explaining how it could theoretically be so!
They say it "doesn't create mucosal immunity" but... what does it do?
And why isn't the manufacturer publishing their serology studies?

It's really, really weird...

Yeah, I haven't researched that science. But there ARE other vaccines that don't prevent transmission....

-Angela

[junomama]

Originally Posted by heldt123

You really mis-interpreted my post that you quoted. I didn't mean it literally, as in a "case of polio," for lack of any other way to describe it, I just was refering to "that case, issue, whatever you want to call it" as a reason to make people afraid of polio and to get vaccinated. I wasn't trying to start a debate about wether it was really polio or not, good grief.

Forgive me for not being a great technical worder....

I was pretty clueless about this whole thing when I read your post, so I can't say I misinterpreted so much as that it just reminded me of something I'd heard my husband mention, which he didn't know much about, either. I wasn't trying to debate whether it was an actual case of polio or not — I just wanted to find out what had happened. I hope that makes sense.

[wonderwahine]

Originally Posted by junomama

I was pretty clueless about this whole thing when I read your post, so I can't say I misinterpreted so much as that it just reminded me of something I'd heard my husband mention, which he didn't know much about, either. I wasn't trying to debate whether it was an actual case of polio or not — I just wanted to find out what had happened. I hope that makes sense.

I also think its good that the subject was brought up, because it has become a very informative thread for other people.