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post #1 of 6
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I'm still very new to GD and must admit that it is very hard to fight the impulse to throw my own tantrums.

Our issue right now is typical toddler stuff. Ds is almost 18mo and has (for awhile now, several months at least) been hitting, spitting, pinching, biting and scratching.

I'm starting to suspect that the way we interact with him is causing these things. We are very playful, especially DP, and often find ourselves "wrestling" with each other or in an intense tickling fair. So Ds is also very playful, and especially with DP, pretty rough sometimes.

When Ds is cranky, upset, hungry, tired, etc. he starts with the hitting, biting, and spitting, and it just gets worse until he either goes to sleep, eats (if he was hungry), or we go outside (change of scenery), or give him whatever it was that he was throwing a tantrum for. We try to prevent those situations by meeting his needs before he is upset, but alas, it doesn't always go so smoothly.

(Wow, just had to mention, simply writing this out is letting me see from an outside perspective and I think I've already answered some of the questions I had )

Anywhoo, DP and I handle things a little differently. If for example, I am laying down on the bed and ds wants to go outside or do something, I either drag my butt up (exhausted as I may already be) or I lay there and pout : and ds starts getting upset. He hits. Bites. I say firmly and dryly "Ouch, that hurts, no hitting/biting. Let's go outside" or something similar. DP on the other hand, will lay there. Ds smacks his face. DP says "Ow! No hitting." Ds smacks his face again. "Ow. Stop" Ds smacks again. DP pretends to start crying pathetically "Owww, you hit me, that hurt, waaaa" Ds seems a bit confused/worried, sometimes just sits there watching, non-expressive, or walks away like he feels weird or something...then goes back after awhile and hits again. DP repeats the same thing.

I'm not sure if what either of us is doing is effective at all, because the hitting continues, no less. I guess it is partly DP and I taking it personally, kind of thinking "He hit me! How rude and disrespectful, why does he do that?" instead of the obvious (well I guess not so obvious) "Oh, he is being playful/testy or wants me to get up, is getting cranky, etc" DP mentioned once that he feels like if he gives ds what he wants after he hits him, then ds will think he can get what he wants by hitting. But if he doesn't get what he wants (redirecting is like a joke with this kid) the hitting just gets worse.

We are feeling a bit lost here. Any insights?
post #2 of 6
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I'm still very new to GD and must admit that it is very hard to fight the impulse to throw my own tantrums.

Our issue right now is typical toddler stuff. Ds is almost 18mo and has (for awhile now, several months at least) been hitting, spitting, pinching, biting and scratching.

I'm starting to suspect that the way we interact with him is causing these things. We are very playful, especially DP, and often find ourselves "wrestling" with each other or in an intense tickling fair. So Ds is also very playful, and especially with DP, pretty rough sometimes.

When Ds is cranky, upset, hungry, tired, etc. he starts with the hitting, biting, and spitting, and it just gets worse until he either goes to sleep, eats (if he was hungry), or we go outside (change of scenery), or give him whatever it was that he was throwing a tantrum for. We try to prevent those situations by meeting his needs before he is upset, but alas, it doesn't always go so smoothly.

(Wow, just had to mention, simply writing this out is letting me see from an outside perspective and I think I've already answered some of the questions I had )

Anywhoo, DP and I handle things a little differently. If for example, I am laying down on the bed and ds wants to go outside or do something, I either drag my butt up (exhausted as I may already be) or I lay there and pout : and ds starts getting upset. He hits. Bites. I say firmly and dryly "Ouch, that hurts, no hitting/biting. Let's go outside" or something similar. DP on the other hand, will lay there. Ds smacks his face. DP says "Ow! No hitting." Ds smacks his face again. "Ow. Stop" Ds smacks again. DP pretends to start crying pathetically "Owww, you hit me, that hurt, waaaa" Ds seems a bit confused/worried, sometimes just sits there watching, non-expressive, or walks away like he feels weird or something...then goes back after awhile and hits again. DP repeats the same thing.

I'm not sure if what either of us is doing is effective at all, because the hitting continues, no less. I guess it is partly DP and I taking it personally, kind of thinking "He hit me! How rude and disrespectful, why does he do that?" instead of the obvious (well I guess not so obvious) "Oh, he is being playful/testy or wants me to get up, is getting cranky, etc" DP mentioned once that he feels like if he gives ds what he wants after he hits him, then ds will think he can get what he wants by hitting. But if he doesn't get what he wants (redirecting is like a joke with this kid) the hitting just gets worse.

We are feeling a bit lost here. Any insights?
I do think you agreeing to do what he wants AFTER he hits you is a poor idea; That way madness lies!

How about simply a firm (low quiet VERY SERIOUS voice) saying "No hitting. It hurts, No one likes to be hurt and I do not like it."

AND NO THEN doing what DS wants if you are really tired and would not have gotten up by him merely asking. It probably is a confusing message for him. It IS telling him that he should not merely ask for things but SHOULD HIT YOU.

This does not mean he is bad or mean but merely NOT STUPID. If you tell someone that you can get what you want only by hitting, they'd be really dumb not to do that!
post #3 of 6
I agree totally with maya44...you really do teach people how to treat you, kwim?

While it is true that hitting, spitting, biting, etc are all developmentally appropriate for toddlers to do....it's still unacceptable behaviour. Yes, todds do not have all the tools for dealing with emotions, and yes they can react with violent actions. It is our job as their parents to give them the tools to handle those emotions.

My daughter, now almost 2, has hit me twice. The first time I was trying to get her to go to sleep, she was overtired and got very angry and hit me. My response was exactly what maya44 suggested, I told her in low tone, serious voice "You do not hit mommy." I had never used that tone with her, she cried. I comforted her, told her gently "Mommy understands you are feeling frustrated. Let's snuggle and have a rest." And that's what we did, and that happened when she was about 19 mos old. The second incident happened just a few days ago, basically the same scenario, I reacted the same way. She cuddled me, cried and kissed my arm (where she had hit).

I hope that helps. Stay firm on the hurting issue and he'll quickly learn that it's not a way to get what he wants. Good luck!
post #4 of 6
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Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention one little (okay big) tidbit. Ds has been a headbanger since about 7 months. He does it when frustrated, angry, upset, sad. So when he can't get what he wants, he usually screams/whines first. We try to playfully distract him with something else (going outside usually works but we can't always go outside on the whim due to weather). But he doesn't really buy it. He goes right back to what he wanted and yells for it. I try to give him something similar that he *can* have and he doesn't buy that either. He wants THAT one that he wants. I sense a tantrum coming on, so I hold him, because he will bang his head on the tile VERY hard (he almost always has a bruise on his forehead ), and try to move on to something else while he lets his tantrum out.

BUT, I'm not always right next to him to pick him up and hold him before he bangs his head. And we can't always prevent the situations that make him upset. So, sometimes, because he's already hit his head x number of times that day, we let him get what he wants so he doesn't bang his head. Normally we wouldn't do it that way, but I'm so worried about his head! He hits it REALLY hard, and there is almost always a bruise.

So with the hitting/biting issue, he just REPEATEDLY hits. With me, when he does it more than once I say (again) No hitting, it hurts and we don't like it and put him on the futon (because he throws a tantrum when we don't let him hit us). Sometimes he will walk over to the tile and bang his head.

DP is scared of him banging his head too, so *he* basically lets ds hit him and tells him no but doesn't move out of the hitting range (ds just does it over and over, no matter if you ignore him, get mad, distract, redirect, firmly say no....he thinks ANY of those things is a game). I tell dp "don't let him hit you. Tell him no and then move away" But Dp is worried about ds going and banging his head.

UGH. What would you do???
post #5 of 6
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Anyone....?
post #6 of 6
I don't have much advise, only as I am in the same situation. DS is a hitter, but only at home and with family. He is at Daycare and is great there, but at home he goes for DD and hits, pulls hair and spits at her. DH and I get hit and spit at mostly. Then there is the cat, who can run and hide, lucky kitty! If DS hits me I immediatly put him down or walk away. If it continues, I tell him no hitting in a stern voice and tell him I don't want to play with him until he is nicer. It has been working somewhat but still with DD it hasn't. She whines and acts timid when he hits her and I think this gets it worse.

Not much help here, only understanding.........
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