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post #81 of 174
Yep, this thread has gone in a direction I didn't expect. Which is OK, really. As others have said, "I'm not mad." LOL
post #82 of 174
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Originally Posted by TigerTail View Post
Why yes, that's very true.

re·duc·ti·o ad ab·sur·dum (rĭ-dŭk'tē-ō ăd əb-sûr'dəm, -zûr'-, -shē-ō)
n., pl. -o·nes ad absurdum (-ō'nēz, -nās).
Disproof of a proposition by showing that it leads to absurd or untenable conclusions.

I'm no mathematician, but trying to keep things straight in this one thread sure looks like a good argument for a subforum.
lol Yes...and a defination once and for all would help those of us who are worried about full disclosure , and who might be processing-obsessed.
post #83 of 174
I've been playing peek-a-boo on threads with you all day, Boo!

(See? See?)

Do I unschool? Am I radical enough? I bought Saxon math! I showed my 3 yr old flashcards! My 7 yr old can't read & I'm worried. My 7 yr old can't read & I'm not worried! I'm not mad! (But should we have a forum? No, I don't think we need a forum because x,y,z. Yes, we need a forum because a,b,c.) Can we unschool? I'm not patient! I don't have a schoolroom! I don't have enough money!

And:
If I want to unschool, what curriculum should I buy?

: We need a subforum!
post #84 of 174
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
I might consider taking the youngest out. There really is plenty of time. I know it seems crazy and difficult at first, but the younger they are, the easier it is. If you can get a couple of things going with other hsers, you can get him conected with other busy little ones. Our hsing group has a free gym day that the mothers of small ones enjoy a lot. He could also still do library story time at his age (if he likes it) and maybe a little Y gymnastics or free swim thing. The other thing you might consider, if you can, is to switch off playdates here and there with another hsing parent so you can have a morning to yourself for a bit of peace. I don't think there is anything wrong to want a little peace.
The problem with all those suggestions is that they require me to schlep him around- which I don't really have the energy for.

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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
I agree. Unschoolers, and all hsers, have varrying needs and it would be nice to have a better understanding about what unschooling is. In this one thread alone some people are saying using a curric is unschooling & some are saying it isn't. The OP stated she felt frustrated with the curric threads, so right off, I was worried whether offerring support was appropraite, as my oldest dd has a math curric. I felt I wanted to say that right away, for honesty's sake.
It's not that I don't want anybody who ever uses a curriculum to talk to me, it's just that I was getting frustrated with the sheer quantity of threads discussing specific curriculums- if you're already using a curriculum you like, then you don't need to constantly ask about it, right?

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Originally Posted by TigerTail View Post
I'm no mathematician, but trying to keep things straight in this one thread sure looks like a good argument for a subforum.
I'm starting to get that feeling as well.

I was hoping this support thread would mitigate the need for a separate subforum but it's starting to do just the opposite.
post #85 of 174
-- The problem with all those suggestions is that they require me to schlep him around- which I don't really have the energy for.--

I know! lol There is a lot of schleping at times. But I think it's worse when the kids are not all in the same place? We don't have a school bus, so I have to drop off and pick the schooled kid up myself.

You just gotta figure out the lesser of the evils, yk? It's not always clear cut.
post #86 of 174
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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
I agree. Unschoolers, and all hsers, have varrying needs and it would be nice to have a better understanding about what unschooling is.
We've gone 'round and 'round with the "What is unschooling?" discussion on this forum. Each of us could post a "This is what unschooling means to me" post, but you still wouldn't have a Webster's-like definition. I think the best way to understand unschooling would be to just read through posts of what unschoolers are doing.

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In this one thread alone some people are saying using a curric is unschooling & some are saying it isn't.
I'm not seeing that. What I am seeing is that people are making a distinction between whether the parent is imposing a curriculum or if the child is seeking it out.
post #87 of 174
--It's not that I don't want anybody who ever uses a curriculum to talk to me, it's just that I was getting frustrated with the sheer quantity of threads discussing specific curriculums- if you're already using a curriculum you like, then you don't need to constantly ask about it, right?--

I am thinking different things work for different kids at different stages of development. Perhaps a curric that once worked well isn't working so well and you're trying to sort it out-- see if others have experienced the same thing? There also seem to be new people joining the forums each day, so maybe they are the same questions being asked by different people? Maybe it seems redundant to the old timers when it really isn't?

Just typing out loud.

I tend to just skim the curric threads, so maybe this answer isn't apporpriate...
post #88 of 174
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Originally Posted by Joan View Post
We've gone 'round and 'round with the "What is unschooling?" discussion on this forum. Each of us could post a "This is what unschooling means to me" post, but you still wouldn't have a Webster's-like definition. I think the best way to understand unschooling would be to just read through posts of what unschoolers are doing.



I'm not seeing that. What I am seeing is that people are making a distinction between whether the parent is imposing a curriculum or if the child is seeking it out.
We go round and round and it never gets answered. Which I think leads to this frustration.

I don't think unschooling is whatever people think it is. That makes it nothing.

I do accept that you find this topic to be clear, but I am having difficulty with it.

If you read the thread again some people did say using a curric was not unschooling. I'll go hunt that down/
post #89 of 174
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
-- The problem with all those suggestions is that they require me to schlep him around- which I don't really have the energy for.--

I know! lol There is a lot of schleping at times. But I think it's worse when the kids are not all in the same place? We don't have a school bus, so I have to drop off and pick the schooled kid up myself.

You just gotta figure out the lesser of the evils, yk? It's not always clear cut.
Ah, but the local school district provides bussing to any private schools within 15 miles of our house (or is it within 15 miles of the school district main building which is 1/2 mile from my house?) In any case, I'm not considering any school that doesn't include bus transportation both ways. For DS, the school I'm considering is 1/2 mile from my house, which is closer than many activities the local HS group plans. So keeping him home WOULD mean more schlepping for me.

I guess the real question I should be asking is "how much physical activity do 1st graders get anyway"? It may be markedly different than what he's been getting in preschool and kindergarten. Is he going to come home bouncy because all his energy is pent up?
post #90 of 174
Phew! Okay, read all of that...

I am glad no one is mad. I honestly don't think we'll ever really agree on a definition of unschooling - I think we've tried before here - and anyway, a lot of the posters on this thread self-identify was being close to unschooling but not all the way, and I'm glad they felt okay posting here... an some of the not-quite folks seem more "unschooly" to me that some of the self-labeled unschoolers, anyway. I do see a lot of negativity in some communities that do strictly define unschooling andf actively seek to exclude those who don't "measure up", and I am glad we avoid that here. FWIW, I would agree with whomever discussed parental intent as being a major factor in unschooling - I don't think unschoolers are limited in terms of what materials they can use, but I think it's essential that the impetus behind them is the child's happiness and drive to learn.

With all that said, can I share Rain's SAT scores here? As UUMom said, she's been radically unschooled since she was a kindergartener (she did go to school that one year). If she were in school now, she'd be an 8th grader. She had chosen to eschew most traditionally academic learning - very minor dabbling into math workbooks at 12 and then at 13, and no formal langauge arts, history, science, spelling, phonics, any of that.

Last fall she decided that she wanted to take some college classes, which was fairly common with kids her age when we lived in California. here in Kansas, though, it was not happening - there's no CC in our county, and the one in the next county was pretty rigid. So, she decided to take the SAT and try to take some classes at the state university (a mile from us).

We spent about 3 months working on SAT prep stuff. In many area we had to start at the very beginning - what do < and > mean, what is a square root, what is a factor? She scored well in the reading section on a pretest, so we really just worked on math and writing the essay (she'd done a lot of online writing but only one formal essay, and she rarely handwrote anything). We used the formal test prep books and spent an hour or so 3-4 times a week on it for maybe 3 months, with two weeks off when we went on vacation. It was hard, because she got frustrated and cried sometimes, and I got frustrated sometimes and just wanted to quit, but she kept coming back to it. I tutor test prep as a job, but it's really different with your own kid, and with a kid who has none of the academic background in these areas. She caught onto some stuff that most kids find difficult very quickly, almost intuitively, but other stuff she found much more difficult. Still, we're talking maybe 30-40 hours total to cover K-12 math, plus an hour or two on essays.

Anyway... she got her scores today: 600 in Critical Reading (79th percentile); 490 in Math (40th percentile), and 540 in Writing (64th percentiles). These percentiles, mind you, are comparing her to kids who are 12th graders, so 4 years older than Rain - and overall, she's in the 64th percentile when compared to college-bound high school seniors. I think that's so awesome, that she could set her mind to this and so quickly achieve her goal. I don't think all unschoolers should take the SAT or go to college, of course, but it's nice to have the proof that all those years of playing and living life and having fun didn't make her permanently "behind" and remove her options for the future - after 3 months, she's actually way ahead of the average 8th grader.

Dar
post #91 of 174
Thread Starter 
WTG Rain!!!
post #92 of 174
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Originally Posted by nancy926 View Post
I think we're overthinking, too.

To me, anyone not "in school" is homeschooling. You unschool if you don't use a curriculum. Oversimplified maybe, but it avoids a lot of confusion.


Here's one opinion. Not to pick on any one person...lol sorry, sweet Nancy.

But many people believe that the use of a curriculm is what makes a person an unschooler or not.

We have a math curric, so I would like to err on the side of not identifying myself as unschooler. Although I think I can be supportive of unschoolers.
post #93 of 174
Cool going, Rain!

Now Dar, you see how complicated this topic is for the likes of me.

I'm glad nobody is mad. It's an incredible topic, no doubt.
post #94 of 174
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Originally Posted by TigerTail View Post
I've been playing peek-a-boo on threads with you all day, Boo!

(See? See?)

Do I unschool? Am I radical enough? I bought Saxon math! I showed my 3 yr old flashcards! My 7 yr old can't read & I'm worried. My 7 yr old can't read & I'm not worried! I'm not mad! (But should we have a forum? No, I don't think we need a forum because x,y,z. Yes, we need a forum because a,b,c.) Can we unschool? I'm not patient! I don't have a schoolroom! I don't have enough money!

And:
If I want to unschool, what curriculum should I buy?

: We need a subforum!
You're funny. I like you. Teach me. (Is that unschooling?)
post #95 of 174
Now That is awesome Dar. Thankyou for sharing. I'm totally going to get dh to read this when he comes home. At this time in my life I really want to read thes positive wonderful stories of your unschoolers!!!
post #96 of 174
UU.

Hey, my dd got terrific ACTs, Pink! (wtg, Rain!) Actually about the same percentiles as me . Insane literacy, getting-by math. (But she spent a lot less time standing in line & riding a bus!)
post #97 of 174
TigerTail.

I suppose this isn't the place to say my schooled kid scored over-the-top on SATs at age 13...

My current hs'd teen does not care about such things... I'm trying to let go.
post #98 of 174
Yay for Rain! That's very inspiring.


Just working through this thread. I was kind of excited to see it because I get so much inspirayion from all of the unschooling threads and posts. I often say (about myself) that I am an unschoooler at heart, but have trouble making the switch from 'relaxed hsing'. I certainly hope I can still tag along here

Off to read some more....
post #99 of 174
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Originally Posted by UUMOM
I don't think unschooling is whatever people think it is. That makes it nothing.
Agreed. But since we won't all agree on what it is, then what?

Personally, I'd just like a place to chit-chat and hear about what other unschoolers are up to.

Very cool about Rain's scores, Dar. It makes me chuckle to hear that someone who wasn't schooled could score so well on a school test. What kinds of college courses is she interested in taking?

Ds has no interest in college--he plans to be an inventor. He's still interested in survival techniques/wilderness living and has turned into an avid reader. He's waaaay into Guild Wars (for someone who hates to write, he writes an awful lot on that game!) and eats up anything on the Discovery Channel that has to do with future technology.

Dd has been into WWII lately. We're listening to The Diary of Anne Frank and we just got "1940's House" from Netflix, but she's been reading a lot on her own about it too. She's also doing a lot of web design -- especially graphics/animation. Most of that is Greek to me. She's also working on a writing challenge with a friend--30,000 words in month. And she continues to experiment in the kitchen with an eye on the CIA.

Ds2 is on the verge of reading. He's not reading entire books yet, but he's in the phase where they run to you every 5 seconds with an ecstatic, "MOM, I JUST READ STOP!" "MOM, THIS SAYS JUICE!" etc. etc.

I just love the discovery and the excitement and the surprises, yk?
post #100 of 174
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
Ah, but the local school district provides bussing to any private schools within 15 miles of our house (or is it within 15 miles of the school district main building which is 1/2 mile from my house?) In any case, I'm not considering any school that doesn't include bus transportation both ways.
That's nice! Nothing like that here.

This morning, I had to defrost everything. The power locks didn't work and the power sliders were jammed shut until the car was warm. Blech! Man, I wish this kid would hs! Or maybe dh could get that stupid crappy boat out of the garage so I could put my minivan in there.
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