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post #61 of 76
My vaxed girls are 18 and 16. Yes they would take a booster if needed. Other dd is 13. She's wanting to wait to get it.

My older girls have both had biopsies already. No HPV, but precancerous stuff that had to be frozen off.

I've been that route numerous times. I'm surprised I had any cervix left.

We've lost friends and family members to cervical cancer. Not a pretty thing.

HPV may cause cancer. HPV can and does cause genital warts. Warts that are not very pretty and embarrassing.

We understand there may be risks. Life is full of them. It's just which set of risks you want to take responsibility for.

Janis
post #62 of 76
I forgot to add that I have a irl friend that had hpv two years ago. She was told that she got it from a TANNING BED. Her dr. told her that women get in to the tanning bed and sit on the glass, the bed heats up, the woman sweats, and leaves the bacteria/virus on the glass. The dr. told her that most tanning salons use glass cleaners in the spray bottles that the users are supposed to use on the beds when finishing their sessons. She was treated for hpv and has reg. paps now. The dr. also recommended that if she won't give up the tanning bed (which he strongly recommended) that she take her own bottle with disinfecting/bleach cleaner with her and wear a bathing suit bottom. I had never heard of this before. She said her dr. told her he has treated many patients for things that were traced back to tanning bed use. Has anyone else ever heard of this?
post #63 of 76
I've worked in a tanning salon.

State law dictates we use something that kills germs, bacteria, sanitizes and steralizes to clean tthe beds.

It does look like glass cleaner because it's blue. We do use spray bottles. We do use clean towels for every bed.

I've never heard of anyone getting an STD from tanning. Unless maybe they were doing something in the tanning bed aside from tanning.

Janis
post #64 of 76
JanisB - I agree, as I had never heard of this either. That being said, most of the tanning salons in my area just leave a spray bottle and a roll of paper towels in the room and each person is supposed to clean the bed after use. I can say from experience and trying several different salons, that I have gone in to use the bed and it was obvious that it was not cleaned by the previous person. You know the lotion was all over the glass. My friends dr. said that women who use the bed nude will pass bacteria from their bottoms (Sorry if its TMI) on the warm glass when they sit on the glass, and the bacteria grow in the nice warm moist environment. Sorry this has really grossed me out, and I had never heard of anyone getting an std or anything from tanning, except her. So I can only go by what she and her dr. said about treating others with problems from tanning beds. My daughter and I are having a debate over this right now. She wants to go tanning before the prom and I am really not sure it is a good idea. I probably would have never given it a thought before, but now with my friend telling me all this, I just don't know.
post #65 of 76
why doesn't she use the lotion that has self-tanner in it? then she doesn't risk skin cancer or picking up anything from a tanning bed.
post #66 of 76
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Originally Posted by JanisB View Post
We understand there may be risks. Life is full of them. It's just which set of risks you want to take responsibility for.
Janis

of course! which is why all is cool as long as mandates are kept out of the equation..
post #67 of 76
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Why would you get Gardasil?
Can't think of a single reason.
post #68 of 76
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Originally Posted by 13Sandals View Post
of course! which is why all is cool as long as mandates are kept out of the equation..
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post #69 of 76

More On Gardasil

more links

http://www.newstarget.com/021490.html

http://www.vaclib.org/news/2006/gardasil.htm

www.mercola.com-hpv vaccine

http://www.jabs.org.uk

http://www.909shot.com/pressreleases...06gardasil.htm

www.healthtruthrevealed.com

http://www.newstarget.com/021572.html

and last but not least MERCK (makers of Gardasil) Dirty Laundry
This is what corruption is
http://www.newstarget.com/merck.html

Hope these links STOP anyone from vaccinating their daughters!
In 10-20 yrs our daughters might suffer the results of being infertile because of this vaccine. Then its too late!

post #70 of 76
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I worked for a plasma place and this was offered to me free of charge, and I decliined. My reasons (not researched) are:

1. HPV effects BOTH genders, why are only girls given it if it's so good? (Sounds sexisst to me.)
Don't worry, I'm sure states will soon be requiring Gardasil for boys and young men too.:

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/123/115099.htm
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Clinical trials evaluating Gardasil vaccination of boys and men are underway, a Merck spokesperson tells WebMD.
post #71 of 76
Yup, cancer is a serious thing. That being said, myself, my daughter, and my husband, should it come to that, will not be getting it. I find it fairly sick that we're marketing magical vaccines and pills that solve all of life's little inconveniences and worries, rather that attending to the basic root problems that cause them - like hygiene, diet, exercise, preventative care (like pap smears and physicals, vitamin and mineral supplements if needed).
post #72 of 76
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magical vaccines and pills that solve all of life's little inconveniences and worries, rather that attending to the basic root problems that cause them - like hygiene, diet, exercise, preventative care (like pap smears and physicals, vitamin and mineral supplements if needed).
Preventative care does not prevent everything. So we do need treatments for those illnesses and diseases.

To me, it's all about choice. Choose what you feel comfortable with, let others choose for themselves, but when one starts to dictate how another may treat themselves or their families, I have a big issue with that.

Janis
post #73 of 76
You cannot get a STD or HPV from a tanning bed!!!!: : That needs to go in the physician lies thread.
post #74 of 76
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Originally Posted by JanisB View Post
Preventative care does not prevent everything. So we do need treatments for those illnesses and diseases.

To me, it's all about choice. Choose what you feel comfortable with, let others choose for themselves, but when one starts to dictate how another may treat themselves or their families, I have a big issue with that.

Janis
I'm not discounting anyone's right to choose, I just take offense to the notion that one should "band-aid" such problems, like getting an HPV vax and not getting pap smears because a person thinks they're immune to cancer (while you might understand that cancer can still be a possibility, there's plenty of people out there who think vaccination = permanent full immunity). Like diet pills - they might make you loose weight, but that doesn't mean you should neglect your diet or exercise.
post #75 of 76
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Originally Posted by Neoma View Post
I'm not discounting anyone's right to choose, I just take offense to the notion that one should "band-aid" such problems, like getting an HPV vax and not getting pap smears because a person thinks they're immune to cancer (while you might understand that cancer can still be a possibility, there's plenty of people out there who think vaccination = permanent full immunity). Like diet pills - they might make you loose weight, but that doesn't mean you should neglect your diet or exercise.

When my older dd's got gardasil, it was explained that they would still need yearly paps. Safe sex was discussed. As was abstinance.


It wasn't sold as a cure all and that no further gyno care would be needed.

Janis
post #76 of 76
There are 13 types of high-risk HPV that can cause cervical cancer-16 and 18 are the most common and do account for 70% of documented cervical cancers. Women who are vaccinated will still need to get regular pap tests since there are 11 additional strains of HPV that the vaccine doesn't protect.

Women are most likely to be exposed to HPV during their late teens/early 20s when they initiate sexual behavior. Most women (95% actually according to recently published data) will clear the virus within 2 years of exposure. Only about 5% of the population of women over age 30 will test HPV positive at any given time.

For HPV to cause cervical cancer it must persist in the body for many years. This is why smoking, bcp, and other situations that compromise immune function put women at higher risk for cervical cancer. However, with regular screening with either a yearly pap test, or for women aged 30 and older, combination testing with a Pap and the HPV test, cervical cancer can be prevented. More than 50% of cervical cancers occur in women who are not routinely screened, and the rest are due to a mix of infrequent screening or Pap test failures (the Pap can only detect precancerous lesions about 50-80% of the time which is why it needs to be done each year-the idea is that since cervical cancer is a slow growing disease, you will eventually catch with a Pap). However, adding the HPV test to the Pap test increases the chance you will pick up a cervical lesion to 99%. I like those odds a whole lot better. The HPV test can be done at the same time as the Pap and from the same sample as the Pap test (cervical fluid/cells).

Since very good testing is available, I am going that route. I asked my OB (before I switched to a midwife) for the HPV test and it came back negative. Since I'm over 30 and married my risk of cervical cancer at this point is VERY VERY low.

HPV cannot be passed from a mother to a baby during childbirth UNLESS the woman has open genital sores-and the HPV strains that cause warts are not associated with cervical cancer. The 13 high-risk types of HPV thrive in the warm squamous cells of the cervix. After exposure, they permeate the top layers of the cervix and multiply close to the transformation zone-as such HPV cannot "sit on the service" and be transmitted during childbirth.

There are rare cases of cervical cancer that occur in young women but these are VERY rare and a result of a genetic anomaly in the women's system that causes a proliferation of cells on the cervix-it's not caused by HPV at all. That is why we can only state that HPV causes the "vast majority" of cervical cancer cases-there will always be the random woman who was unfortunate enough to have a cellular mishap early in life that caused the problem. No vaccine can prevent against these occurrences.

There are many HPV vaccines in development-in 5-10 years we could see vaccines against all types of high-risk HPV types. Why jump on the bandwagon now? We have limited data about Gardasil and it's NOT going to eliminate cervical cancer. In 20-30 years we would see a reduction in cancer and a reduction in cervical dysplasia (precursur to cancer) but every girl and boy would have to be vaccinated for this to occur-not likely.

Given that very good testing is available that can prevent cervical cancer, I'm much more comfortable with that route. Perhaps in the future I can have confidence in an HPV vaccine, but right now I think it's just giving a lot of people false security. Routine screening has much better preventative results.

Just my two cents I'm a total newbie here but this issue just irks me. School mandates? Unbelievable. Last I checked, HPV infections weren't running rampant through elementary schools so why the heck would we force parents to vaccinate their kids against this to get an education??? :
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