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My little girl is 23 months old and this just started recently, We've had a baby bjorn potty since birth and we never had a problem before. I guess we only EC part time since there are times for us that aren't practical at all, esp now that shes a toddler and enjoys a lot of activities, like playgroups and dance, etc.

I feel like we are halfway between EC and actual toilet learning, so maybe it will play out, but in the meantime...

-She verbally tells us when she has to pee.
-She can remove her own pants
-She seems to get upset if she has an "accident" (i have no idea why, both my husband and I are VERY relaxed about accidents, we have never given any indication that a little bit of pee on the floor is bad). But, it does fit with the rest of her personality, as she is not a messy kid at all (very weird, since i am!) and doesn't like any sort of spills or crumbs, etc. i.e., if she spills her drink, she says "oh noooo! Mama!" and points it out to me to clean it up.
- When she tells me she has to pee, she will also say that she wants her potty. She will sit on it just fine. But she won't go. I *know* she is holding it back, because i've seen her dribble, then squeeze and hold it. She can hold it for a very long time, and if her muscles give out, she will let a little bit out just to relief the pressure, and then squeeze again. She never had problems with straight ECing when she was younger, I guess it began when she learned how to hold it back?

I am very afraid she will give herself a bladder infection by doing this.

I have asked her if she would rather have the diaper or the potty. She always wants the potty. She is excited about the potty, she has a book about a potty and she can relate the little girl in the book to herself. she knows pee belongs in the potty, and when shes done sitting on it, she says "bye bye pee pee" to a dry potty and expects me to go flush the pretend pee.

But, if i put a diaper on her, bingo - there she goes.

I figure its performance anxiety of some sort - like she would rather have privacy these days. I try not to look at her, or put the potty where its not in my line of sight and tend to something else to see if that helps, but it doesnt seem to. I give her a cup of warm water and a book and she can actually sit there for up to 10 minutes, on the potty, looking at the book but still nothing....And like i said, both my husband and I are very relaxed about all of it, hoping we can always just work with her cues, what shes ready for, etc, with absolutely NO pressure.

So my question is: any other techniques for helping them relax and just let go? I feel like I've tried everything to make it relaxed and not a big deal. The more i think about it, the more i think we are getting there, since she IS making improvement with sitting there for longer and knowing that the alternative is a diaper, and maybe i just need to give it lots of more time?
post #2 of 10
I know I read somewhere about loosening your lips when in labour to loosen your pelvic floor and perineum so maybe a vocalisation would help her?

Can she say ooooooooooh breathing out and down while pushing her tummy out (relaxing it)? Or mmmmmmm or something similar?

I sometimes say ooooh in the way I just described when holding my dd in the classic position and she will release. It was my favourite labour vocalisation too

Could you ditch the nappies full stop so that she absolutely asssociates the potty with wee and nothing else?

Another thought - is her potty helping her squat or are her knees below her hips? Are her feet firmly planted or danglin? A deep squat and well planted feet can encourage peeing too. What about using the toilet not the potty?
post #3 of 10
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All great suggestions. I ditch the dipes as much as we can (ie whenever we are at home, she is "free to air") and I do think that is helping. Her "day mother" as we say over here (i have to work part time in the mornings), does as well, only in her house she prefers the toilet to the potty she has.

We use the baby bjorn potty, so i think she is in the position you have described - her knees are above her hips - thats how it should be, right?

I think the toilet might help. I am thinking about getting one of those inserts that has the little folding latter, as I know she would love to be able to climb up and sit on it herself, without anyone helping or looking in on her.

I think i will try the breathing. Right now, i have noticed that she releases when her mind is taken away from it completely (maybe the same as in labour - non focused awareness? ) I used to make the "pssssst" sound for EC, but now im thinking its too much pressure on her and i should redirect her focus a little bit.

Thanks!
post #4 of 10
I don't know how helpful this will be to you, but EC almost came to a complete stop for us when my toddler developed a need for "privacy" around 13-14 months. He only uses the toilet insert in the bathroom, not a potty, so we have to step out into the hall where he can't see us, otherwise nothing happens.
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Originally Posted by yamilee21 View Post
I don't know how helpful this will be to you, but EC almost came to a complete stop for us when my toddler developed a need for "privacy" around 13-14 months. He only uses the toilet insert in the bathroom, not a potty, so we have to step out into the hall where he can't see us, otherwise nothing happens.
Ah, thank you. That IS helpful because I was wondering if anyone else noticed this stage and how it progressed from there. From what you said, i definitely should get the toilet ladder/insert.

I was thinking last night that I am a little wary of taking away the diaper option - earlier when she always had a "schedule", i wouldn't have been - but lately her bowel movements have been off schedule and unpredictable. I am worried about her "retaining poop" when she doesn't have the diaper option/privacy and becoming constipated. I've seen this happen before.
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Well, we got up at 6 am, and right away I took the overnight diaper off. We hung out all morning together, just the two of us (no DH, no nanny) - her naked and free! Ate breakfast, etc. When i saw her holding herself or appearing to be uncomfortable, i asked "do you want a diaper, or the potty" and each time she said POTTY (that's my girl!) But, she still wouldn't go. Around 8, she started sitting on it (i offered to read her a book) and she sat for a lonnnng time, but still nothing.

Then when I wasnt paying attention, and she was standing doing something, I heard her make a noise, then she ran to the potty, sat down, and looked at me and said "big girl?" and i said "yes! big girl!" and then she released and filled up the dang thing!

SO YAY! i was so happy, and she was so proud of herself. She clapped, and was all smiles and gave me a hug and then wanted to go flush it to say "bye bye pee pee"

I'm stoked! I'm still worried about her getting constipated, but I think i will keep her naked as much as we can. :
post #7 of 10
What a relief - quite literally

My dd can't think straight and gets very unreasonable until she has done a wee in the morning but she's often adamant that she doesn't need one. If she held on for 2 hours we we would all be driven mad!
post #8 of 10
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Funny enough, (and i have NO idea if this is related or not) when I was 37 weeks pregnant or so, we had quite the scare. I had an ultrasound done and her bladder was HUGE - so much so that my OBs eyes bulged out and she had me sent to the hospital right away for more tests because it was literally the largest organ at the time of the ultrasound. We were worried about an obstruction of some sort. By time we had another ultrasound, it was decreased by half.

So i have to just wonder if this is something she does. Hard for me to accept, because I'm pregnant and need to pee every 2 minutes it seems.
post #9 of 10
You might be right; if she has a good sized bladder capacity then she will feel the urge to wee less often than you might think.

Has she used the potty again today while you weren't loking at her? If she has then maybe keeping her nakey, leaving the potty out and letting her choose when she needs to use it is the answer. I hope she can find something that works.
post #10 of 10
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No. She was naked all morning this morning, and we had an accident. She came close though. I am hoping one of those toilet-top seats with the latter will help.

I am still torn about the whole thing. She hates the feeling of diapers, and i DONT want to force them on her to get used to (i.e. diaper training!). She loves walking around in her little underwear. But at the same time, I worry about her self esteem when she has accidents. (i hope that doesn't sound silly - its just the look on her face that kills me)
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