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post #1 of 10
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To make a long story short, DH is way more mainstream than I am.

I began researching pregnancy, birth and parenting more than a year ago when we began discussing ttc. Now that I a 8 months (almost) pg I have decided on a birth plan and parenting style. I have begged, pleaded and yelled at DH to read with me about all of this stuff so that we can be unifed and convicned together about how we want to have and care for our kids. He never did. A few times he would look something up to check if my statistics and research were accurate or to flat out combat my ideas. Once he submitted to my desire to have a homebirth he did some minimal research on how to cut am umbilical cord and how to use a nasal aspirtor, etc.

Throughout the pregnancy I have asked him to do his own research before haranging me with questions, fears, etc. I spent over a year researching on my own and I came to many conclusions that he was not a part of. Now that I'm pregnant I don't want to deal with his fears about losing the baby, hurting the baby, etc. because I'm already concerned enough as it is. I want him to just research things first instead of asking me and I really only want to hear his comments if they are supportive or at the least, well researched and supported.

He thinks this is unfair and selfish. He wants me to listen to his fears and worries so we can work through them together. I would have liked this too- year ago. At this point I don't want to answer AP 101 questions regarding birth and I certainly don't want to hear about dead babies and mothers.

He claims that he is supporting me by not refusing to participate in the birth and by not fighting me every step of the way and allowing me to do a homebirth, etc. without much resistance. He says that he is very supportive and even tells people at his medical assisting school about out birth plans.

I feel that he isnot supportive because while he confidently shares with his co-workers and classmates, he mostly acts afraid and concerned with me. He says that I shouldn't complain about him not acting excited because I don't act excited either- all I do is complain about being in pain and wanting to be finished with the pregnancy and have the baby.

By and large, my DH is great. I couldn't imagine being with anyone but him and I am very fortunate to have him. However in this situation I feel alone and unsupported. I wish I could just sit there and listen to his fears, but when I do I stay up all night afraid until I can research the stuff for myself. Is it asking too much for him to just do the research without involving me? I know I'm being selfish, but I feel that its warranted now.

What do you guys think?

Kristi
post #2 of 10
i think that this is a both-and scenario.

on the one hand, he is being supportive (in part) and that should be acknowledged. on the other hand, he is not being supportive (in part) because he isn't 'hearing' your needs in regards to the sort of support that you need now.

with this, he also seeks support. he does need to work out his worries and fears, and what not, and for many men, they often do this belatedly. i agree with you that it's "too late" to start discussing this now, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't need to discuss it.

so, here's a suggestion. i recommend that you connect with other AP parents near you and get him connected to another Dad. find out if that dad would be willing to be the 'first support' for him--the guy he can go to when he wants to discuss fears, whatever, and then he can bring his conclusiond and the things that you need to come to together to you.

i agree that it's completely frustrating that your husband wasn't on board with you when you were learning before getting pregnant, but there's nothing to be done about that now so no need to hold on to resentment. simply find another way for him.
post #3 of 10
I'd be ok with dh coming to me with his fears, but not in free-for-all of negativity and doubt that would drag me down. I can't sleep at night either when someone dumps a load of negative garbage on me and tries to make me responsible for fixing their fears. (yeah, it's happened, yuck)

If he'd bring his concerns to me in an adult way, "Honey, one of my concerns is ______ , can you share some information with me about that?" i.e. not in the form of what-ifs, accusations or doomsday tales - then I'd be happy to sit down at the table and literally read from my birth books to him on that topic.

My hubby won't talk to other hb dads. I know several and he has been introduced but he won't talk to anyone that isn't already a good friend. Well that doesn't include anyone knowledgeable about birth so...

My hubby won't read either. He says he doesn't have time but really, he's not that great a reader due to dyslexia. I made up fact sheets - one page per topic, bulleted format, very brief - and whenever I finished one, I put it in his lunch and it went to work with him. I didn't ask him if he read them. He never spoke of them.


But ..I later found out he'd looked up info about hb online, once I started sending him info - I wonder if he started out trying to find info to prove me wrong, lol.

And then...
when his family asked him "WTH!!??" about our home birth plans, he was able to speak to them about why we wanted to be at home, how research supports this as a safe path and to reassure them that we will make choices based on what is safest. So I know he is aware that research shows lower interventions = better birth outcomes and that homebirth has the lowest intervention rates... he's smart enough to put the picture together.
post #4 of 10
I tried and tried to get my DH to read more about birth/pregnancy/childcare before we had kids, but he never would. Thankfully, he's very supportive now, and this pregnancy is going much better because of it. I would have been jumping up and down if he had asked me questions or been concerned about childbirth/pregnancy, but he didn't even want to discuss it.

I would be very frusterated with all the negativity, too, though.

My dh has a habit of bringing up difficult/stress-inducing problems at horrible horrible times. Like after a very long day for me when I'm about to go to bed because I am so tired. Like you, I can't sleep if my mind is all anxious and worried (which it frequently is.)

Would it help you if he put his concerns on paper so that you could respond to them on your own time?

Or, if you set up a special time where you go out for coffee or something to specifically discuss his concerns? I know when I feel ambushed and not ready to talk, I get very very crabby and defensive. Not a good way to talk.

I would try to focus on the fact that he obviously loves and cares for your wellbeing.
post #5 of 10
I think that for the most part women are the informants for men/husbands -about things having to do with women's bodies, birth and to a great degree childrearing- and do you really want it another way? How do we feel about physicians being the "experts", or joe down the street that gets drunk when his wife has another kid or locker room stories about sex, childrearing, marriage....
so is it fair? probably not but since you have done your research you probably have some answers- and for others- write them down- or have him write them down and ask your midwife when you see her- also set up appointments so he can ask these questions. This is part of why childbirth classes were popular- not just so the guy could be at the birth although that was part of it - another bit is education--- but this is only the start- breastfeeding, attachment parenting, when to introduce food, circ or not to circ - are probably all going to be in your arena before it come on to his scope--
I don't really have any simple solutions for you. You can make a choice in your relationship to not inform or communicate with him- and some people have relationships that work that way--how well would this work for you ultimately?
take care

take care
post #6 of 10
I have the most supportive bf in the world, but he doesn't read pregnancy/childbirth books and I like it that way! He generally trusts my opinions on things like our birth plan, etc. I think he figures it's my body, I should be the one to decide if I want an episiotomy or not. That being said, I generally explain to him why I feel the way I do about things. The only things he felt really strongly about was having a homebirth (which I wound up not being able to have to to pih) and not circumcising.

However, if I had been trying a uc, I wouldn't feel comfortable without him having done a little research, or at least the two of us researching things together on the logistics.

I think that for some men, pregnancy doesn't inspire the same need to prepare as it does for women. We have this little baby growing in our bodies, so it feels impossible not to think about it every minute. They can remove themselves from the situation - we can't. It seems more real when the baby is doing somersaults in your belly. I don't think it really dawns on some men that a child that you have to parent is going to come of all of this until closer to the end, when you are big as a house and a constant reminder to them. So although you have been studying for a year, he feels the need to cram before the test.

I would rather be the one to educate bf than sending him off to the internet, etc. on his own because I have a better chance of getting things my way. And I am a control freak :
post #7 of 10
Can't complain too much, in fact, I am blessed with a Hubby that is all mostly all for the path I am basically choosing for us. He acknowledges that I did most of the research- and so he is listening to most things I have to say. He was very supportive of my choice and next baby might even be the homebirth- in this condo I just don't feel like I could do that.

The only thing that we clash about is the circumcision, should that baby turn out to be a boy- not that he wants it, but he feels that he wants to make his own research about it- "free of influence" as he puts it. He get's slightly irritated when I call those "hygienic" reasons what they are to me- hogwash. Coming out of the believe, that the human body is somehow dirty- so to me that concept of UTI studies and so forth is just an attempt to prove that "dirty body" concept- and he get's fairly annoyed than.
But then he also is not pushing for it, does not want it done and knows he will never get past me even if he did want it. I am european goddamn it, I never heard from any man that his normal body is somehow a problem to take care of- nor did previous partners seem unhygienic or any of that stuff. I never heard my german girlfriends complain about how there boys have UTIs- it just does not seem to be a problem at all, nobody is even worrying about it.

But it definitely took a while, but Hubby is willing to learn- so I would stand my ground, since you know best why you married your hubby- but unfounded negativity about dead babies I would not want to hear, under no circumstances, even if is is "masked".
post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by pinksprklybarefoot View Post
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I would rather be the one to educate bf than sending him off to the internet, etc. on his own because I have a better chance of getting things my way. And I am a control freak :

Yeah, that's me too. Because occasionally I walk by and to my horror see a pro-circ site that is trying to link intact with the usual penile cancer blabla- and then I try to point out other info, so I rather tell him MY perception of things...
post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by zoebird View Post
i think that this is a both-and scenario.
he also seeks support. he does need to work out his worries and fears, and what not, and for many men, they often do this belatedly. i agree with you that it's "too late" to start discussing this now, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't need to discuss it.

i agree that it's completely frustrating that your husband wasn't on board with you when you were learning before getting pregnant, but there's nothing to be done about that now so no need to hold on to resentment.
I agree with the above. I also wanted to commiserate a little. My DH is great, really, but also terrified of losing me in birth and (I think this is related) inundated with pop culture (you know, all of the emergency C-sections on TV). At first I wanted him to get on board already. Now I realize I need to make room for him to air his feelings, even if they are uncomfortable for me (dead moms), but at the same time I (the more educated one in this regard) am not going to let his fears change my birth plan. E.g., he would really prefer an OB over a MW. It helped to have him meet the MWs and I think it will help to have him tour the birthing center and compare it to a regular labor and delivery room.

I have selected 2 books I want him to read on birth (Creating Your Birth Plan, by M. Wagner, and Simkin's Birth Partner). He swears he intends to read them, but I have seen no progress. And he is a reader. I think the pregnancy is less real to him than it is to me -- I can't forget for one second that I'm pregnant, my whole body feels lke it's been taken over by an alien -- whereas he is going to his poker game tonight and might not think about the baby for a whole hour!

Even with non-baby-related things, I tend to live in the future much more than DH. It is frustrating for both of us. He would like for me to be more present, I would like for him to be more prepared. With other things (e.g., wedding planning), he stepped up to the plate and made up for his lateness in the home stretch. Maybe your guy will do the same?
post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice. DH has been willing to go along with most of my wishes. We both were raised medically/mainstream and he is going along with my desire for a UC, which is amazing. Plus, he is basically open to discuss things that we're rethinking (like clw/ebf, vaxing and cosleeping). I'm very fortunate that he trusts me and is willing to be flexible.

I've been trying to avoid any negativity during the pgcy. I don't want to think about, hear about, talk about, read about dead babies, miscarriages, birth defects, c-sections or anything unsettling. I did a ton of research before I got pg and I've formed my opinions and plans so I don't have to think about that stuff now.

I think men are genetically turned off by reading about this stuff. It's like asking for directions- they feel that they ought to be naturally eqiuped to handle parenting without listening to someone else. Baby Talk magazine had an article about this a month ago. Basically the dad had refused to do any substantial parenting research regardless of the wife's begging, so when the kids came he just left her to do the tough stuff and basically coasted by playing peekaboo and doing the fun stuff. However, he realized that he was missing out on the good stuff. I don't want DH to be in the same boat and I don't want us to be on different pages when it comes to making choices.

I think he's going to come around because he felt really bad about our argument. Thanks.

Kristi
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