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post #21 of 109
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Originally Posted by Bimmergal2005 View Post
Oh, for crying out loud, would you ladies please try to be a little kinder? Rather than be nasty, why not try making suggestions to those mamas who turned their babies forward??
Well,my 1st suggestion would be to turn them back to rear facing. Then I would try special toys that are only for the car. keep them in a bag in the car and only bring them out for car rides. Rotate the toys so that it's something "new" every now and then. Or one of those magna doodle things with the pen on it is neat,and mess free,but it still let's them draw. The aqua doodle travel size things are good too.
Seriously,some kids just *don't* like the carseat. My 2 yr old ds is one of them.
post #22 of 109
I have no suggestion except, turn the kids back rear-facing.

There is no 'circumstance' that justifies such irresponsibility with a child's life.

I can throw links up your butt, or I can tell you I am a former paramedic who has seen first hand what happens to kids when their parents do such things.

Would you like the gory, horrifying details, or would you rather take my word for it?
post #23 of 109
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Originally Posted by ThreeBeans View Post
I have no suggestion except, turn the kids back rear-facing.

There is no 'circumstance' that justifies such irresponsibility with a child's life.

I can throw links up your butt, or I can tell you I am a former paramedic who has seen first hand what happens to kids when their parents do such things.

Would you like the gory, horrifying details, or would you rather take my word for it?

How about some more ideas for these mamas of things they could do to make their babe more comfortable while facing the rear? Your experience is worth plenty, but a good suggestion might be worth just as much.
post #24 of 109
: bimmergal, you are awesome!!


I've got a question here too. I'm one of those terrible mama's that turned my son's carseat around right after he turned 1. He's over 20lbs too. He was one of those kids that screamed constantly in his carseat until we turned it around. I wasn't going to turn him around until the guidelines indicated I could, but I did the second it was legal.

Can't some of you give any validity to the very upset child being a major distraction while driving. I'm a very nervous driver to begin with, and hearing my baby cry. . . . just amplifies that nervousness exponentially. I sympathize with those mamas. And yes, we did try everything, special car only toys, singing, reciting his favorite books, if there were two adults, one of us back there with him. . . . .rubbing his arm(that probably wasn't safe)

That said, I am considering turning our carseat back to rf. I feel like, now, after riding ff for awhile, he's gotten more comfortable riding in the car, and might not freak out so much.

oh, one more glitch though. we can't put our seat rf in the middle, and I was told the middle is safer.... we can put it ff in the middle. So, at first, we thought it was safer when we put him ff in the middle. Has that played a part in anyone else's desision. I think a rear ending accident is probably more likely than a side impact accident, so the side rf, would be better, but not sure. Are there any other reasons why being in the middle is safer?
post #25 of 109
Rear facing on the side is safer than forward facing in the middle. HTH.
post #26 of 109
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Originally Posted by holdenbear'smama View Post

Can't some of you give any validity to the very upset child being a major distraction while driving.
I did. I think it's a very valid consideration. I'm glad you are working on finding a solution for yourself. I hope that you are right that your son is now more comfortable with the car in general.
post #27 of 109
I'm sorry your babes don't like the car, but getting into a crash w/ them rfing is going to be safer than if you got into one w/ them ffing before 1. They may distract you, but they don't bother any of the idiots who might crash into you! Approximately 97% of all crashes are 30mph and under so it doesn't take much to kill in a car. You have to know that that other 3% is NOT what makes crashes one of the top killers of children. If anyone watched the video that was posted, there's more than enough info in there for you to know why rfing is so important and hopefully, for your child's sake, you'll listen.
post #28 of 109
To the mamas with questions on RF versus FF here is a past link discussing it FWIW. http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=291300

And please, let us tread gently here. Insults don't educate.

DC
post #29 of 109
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Originally Posted by holdenbear'smama View Post

oh, one more glitch though. we can't put our seat rf in the middle, and I was told the middle is safer.... we can put it ff in the middle. So, at first, we thought it was safer when we put him ff in the middle. Has that played a part in anyone else's desision. I think a rear ending accident is probably more likely than a side impact accident, so the side rf, would be better, but not sure. Are there any other reasons why being in the middle is safer?
The rear middle seat is the safest. However what trumps that is if your seat will not properly install there. So then I do suggest placing the seat in an outboard position. Here is another link for you to read if you'd like. It discusses the types of crashes and car seat positioning.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=155867

DC
post #30 of 109
Ds cried rear facing, and forward facing, too. I kept him rear facing as long as possible. I've heard the danger is that the head is heavy, the muscles not so strong, and even in a minor car accident, the head travels forward, the body does not, and the head can internally separate from the body. After I read about that, I read about a local accident where that happened to the dear babe, so ds stayed rear facing till almost 2 years old. However, I don't know that it is the LAW in california, as Brittany Spears showed us. I believe the law is to use a seat to the manufactures recommendations, etc. but she wasn't charged or even ticketed as I understand. They said she didn't break the law.
post #31 of 109
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Originally Posted by ThreeBeans View Post
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Would you like the gory, horrifying details, or would you rather take my word for it?
yes
post #32 of 109
ds is 17 months and happily rear facing, but i know that's not the case for all kids....some are terribly unhappy to be rear facing. But if DS was terribly unhappy I'd probaby switch it around.
post #33 of 109
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Originally Posted by ferretfan View Post
yes
Both?
post #34 of 109
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Originally Posted by ThreeBeans View Post
Both?

yup i dont mind if you embellish a little either
post #35 of 109
FWIW dd is also 17 months and rf. the first 16 months were pure hell but i'd rather she be safe than smeared. dh has recently been able to resume his 'shotgun' seat. he had to ride with her back there and do his best to placate her in any way possible. now she's fine with her cd's and a little light conversation
post #36 of 109
Ok, without embellishing. And please understand I am not posting this for hugs, or sympathy, or in any way to degrade the memory of this child. This was by far the most horrific thing I have seen, in terms of emotional impact.

She was three. She was a bitty little thing, petite, didn't weigh more than 30 pounds. She was riding forward facing when the driver took her eyes off the road for a second and slammed into a tree.

Her spinal column was severed at C2, meaning that she lost all ability to breathe on her own. If she had been rear-facing, she probably would have sustained no injuries other than minor whiplash.

She didn't die then.

She lived for not quite two more years. Her parents brought her home and made up the basement into every little girl's paradise. She finally died of pneumonia. The town built a playpark and named it in her memory.

I had the honor of caring for her several times.
post #37 of 109
We just got home from a horrible, horrible car ride. The worst we've had in months. Ds had been so much better lately and then ugh. This is not fussing in the car, this is scream until you choke and turn purple in the car. There is nothing you can say that would convince me this isn't bad for Ds too.

There are only three things I can think of that we haven't yet tried in the car: 1-forward facing, 2--a portable TV/DVD player, 3--rfacing but not in the center of the backseat.

So, Ds is another who will likely be turned around earlier than any of us would like because I feel its important to balance risks for mental health and physical safety. I'll leave him rfacing so long as he can handle short trips around town but if we have any long drives coming up we're going forward facing and fingers crossed things will improve.




I can honestly tell you that I would be devastated if Ds died in a car crash but as pp said the risks are much greater that there will be an accident when he's screaming in the car.
post #38 of 109
Ok, see now this stresses me out. I can't have my son RF anymore, he's 35lb, but he's only just turned two. That little girl was probably more developed than him. . .
I now want a car with a safer crash test rating and better overall crash avoidance than my current car, but it's not the financially wise choice. ~sigh~ now I am getting OT. . .
post #39 of 109
post #40 of 109
My dd is 18 months old and still RF in a Britax Roundabout. She is 22 pounds and 33 inches tall. Her legs have to bend, but she is totally fine and calls out to all the Canadian Geese flying over as we're driving. I am so thankful to have found info on this board about staying rear facing. I feel so much better having her RF and tethered. I feel like I have done all I can to make her safer in the event of an accident.

As for the mom's who had to turn their babes at a young age....I feel for you on the screaming in the car issue. My dd was a car seat screamer until she was about 11 months old. When we switched her over to a convertible seat, she did better....I think because she does not recline as much. Also, she can see more and now that she's older, can also snack while we are driving, which has been a lifesaver for us. My suggestion would be to really try everything before resorting to FF, it really can be a matter of life and death, even in a fender bender.

Good luck!
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