LDS Mamas and Papas #39 - Page 16

[cjarvis]

Originally Posted by klg47

Sandra Ellis is an LDS master herbalist, and she puts her girls on RRL tea before they hit puberty to reduce menstrual problems. I'm not sure how much she has them drink. But when they skip it, they can tell! (mood swings, pain, etc.)

where can we find more info on this? I had no idea about treating for menstrual symptoms. Dh would appreciate that

So do any of you on this thread live in the Austin, Tx area? Really could use some help on finding a better doc who is not going to bully me about vax's and not retract my ds foreskin :

Thanks

[NewCrunchyDaddy]

On tea ... as has been said, herbal teas are not anti-WoW. If you are in doubt, when buying a tea, check the ingredients ... if it contains Black Tea or Tea of India, then that's the kind that the WoW is warning against. If you check the ingredients on a box of herbal tea, it just has herbs and fruit and leaves, etc. (RRL would fall into this category.) As for drinking them all the time, that's a personal decision ... after all, I have known some members who deny themselves the pleasure of hot chocolate because (1) they interpret "hot drinks" to mean just that and (2) there are members who interpret the WoW to include chocolate because of the caffeine content in chocolate. To each his own, I guess, but since I stopped drinking coffee almost 12 years ago , every once in a while I need a hot chocolate or a mug of herbal tea to take care of that coffee "itch."

[LDSmomma6]

Originally Posted by cjarvis

So do any of you on this thread live in the Austin, Tx area? Really could use some help on finding a better doc who is not going to bully me about vax's and not retract my ds foreskin :

I am from north of Austin. I miss the area a lot. Don't know of any dr. as all my family vax and circ's.

I used to go to youth church dances at the church there on...oh, geez can't remember the name of the street now! It was off I-35, kinda up from Old San Francisco Steak House. Began with an "R" I think.

I have called my old doctor. I go see him next Thursday at 2:30pm. I wonder if until then I should up my Zoloft, or up my Synthoid?

[klg47]

Originally Posted by cjarvis

where can we find more info on this? I had no idea about treating for menstrual symptoms. Dh would appreciate that

So do any of you on this thread live in the Austin, Tx area? Really could use some help on finding a better doc who is not going to bully me about vax's and not retract my ds foreskin :

Thanks

Sandra Ellis is affiliated with Dr. Christopher's School of Natural Healing, so anything you read from/about Dr. Christopher will be similar to her advice. Check www.herballegacy.com. www.herbsfirst.com used to have tons of newsletters and great information, until they were forced to remove it by the FDA. Much of the info moved to Herbal Legacy, but not all.

She wrote two books, Dr. Mom, and Dr. Mom II (an expanded version of the 1st book). I got Dr. Mom II from the BYU library several years ago. Those two are no longer in print, but she has a new one - Dr. Mom's Healthy Living, by Sandra K. Livingston Ellis, M.H.

It's available here: http://www.herbsfirst.com/Books.htm along with a book called "Every Woman's Herbal", which may be of interest to you.

It looks like she also has a brand-new website up. Unfortunately, since it's new, most of the links aren't working: http://www.drmomshealthyliving.com/

It looks like there are some copies of the old Dr. Mom book available if you search at http://used.addall.com, but it'd probably be better to just buy the new one!

[klg47]

Originally Posted by cjarvis

So do any of you on this thread live in the Austin, Tx area? Really could use some help on finding a better doc who is not going to bully me about vax's and not retract my ds foreskin :
Thanks

Have you checked the Finding Your Tribe board? When we were looking at moving to Austin, I found a lot of information on that board. You'll have to search through old threads, but if you use the search engine it will go quicker. You could also join local yahoogroups, even if you just join long enough to get the names.

Originally Posted by NewCrunchyDaddy

On tea ... as has been said, herbal teas are not anti-WoW. If you are in doubt, when buying a tea, check the ingredients ... if it contains Black Tea or Tea of India

Also green tea

[NewCrunchyDaddy]

Originally Posted by klg47

Also green tea

Really? Oops... :

[klg47]

Originally Posted by NewCrunchyDaddy

Really? Oops... :

Short answer: hmm, it looks like they have never said anything specifically about black tea.

Long answer: Well, it was my understanding that green tea was prohibited, but I checked on LDS.org, and I actually didn't find anything about green tea. Green tea is derived from the same plant as black tea - the Camellia sinensis plant. This link has some information about green tea - http://www.hotpepper.ca/lds/wordofwisdom/hot/ - but it's all his own personal interpretation, not the Church's.

If you didn't go to the above-mentioned website, basically the theory interprets down to this:
- WoW says hot drinks are not OK.
- Brigham Young's quote says something to the effect of "what were the people in the habit of taking at the time? Coffee and tea. Therefore, 'no hot drinks' means no coffee or tea."
- Based on research (or guessing?) people have decided that the type of tea that the Saints would have drank was tea derived from the Camellia sinensis plant.
- Teas derived from the Camellia sinensis plant include black, green, oolong, congou, pekoe, orange pekoe, and souchong.
- Therefore, any tea from the Camellia sinensis plant is not OK.

BUT - none of the above has ever been confirmed or denied by the Church, as far as I know. We do know that green tea has caffeine, but we also are aware that the Church has never said that caffeine is the reason for the prohibition on coffee or tea, though several Authorities have said we probably shouldn't have caffeine, because of its addictive properties.

[Leiahs]

On tea: I like the idea of using it medicinally, but man, I can't stand the stuff. Maybe I'm not doing it right, but I always end up gagging when I try it, even when I dump half a container (ok, exaggeration) of honey into one cup. Not sure how people manage to enjoy it!

NCD, I just have to tell you that DD saw your attached daddy icon in your sig, pointed to it, and said excitedly, "JESUS!!"

[guestmama9911]

Originally Posted by Leiahs

NCD, I just have to tell you that DD saw your attached daddy icon in your sig, pointed to it, and said excitedly, "JESUS!!"

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[marlygf]

Leiahs, I am not a fan of herbal teas either. I don't do well with things that require aquiring a taste for it I was at a friends and she had me try four different kinds. They all tasted like seeds with a hint of something else. I would like to do rrl or some others for the pregnancy, but it'll be hard, that's for sure.

[Brisen]

Originally Posted by klg47

Milk and honey, gag. I used to try it with honey, but it was just kind of gross to me. Now I add lemon!

For future pregnancies, if you're worried about miscarriage, it would be best TO drink the RRL during the early stages of pregnancy to help your body keep the pregnancy. If female organs are a concern for you, it would be helpful to drink it every day, regardless of if you're pregnant or not.

I drink it cold with honey and lemon in the summer, but if I'm drinking it warm, I do like it with milk in it.

I have kept taking RRL through my other pregnancies and when not pregnant, for the reasons you stated. But after taking it through 4 pregnancies that ended in miscarriage, even though I'm pretty sure the issue was progesterone, I decided not to take it in the first trimester, just in case. I know it probably didn't contribute, but if I miscarried again, I would be blaming myself for it.

[Kelly1216]

I drank RRL tea when pregnant w/ dd. Although, I added so much sugar that it really ended up just tasting like warm Kool-Aid! But that's the only way I could stand drinking it!

[seren]

I went to a baby shower for a woman at church last night. It's their first baby. Shew as given a copy of baby wise. The other young mother who gave it to her told everyone it was her other bible. I have not read that book, but I have heard really bad things about it. Blech!

[ABC's&123's]

Originally Posted by seren

I went to a baby shower for a woman at church last night. It's their first baby. Shew as given a copy of baby wise. The other young mother who gave it to her told everyone it was her other bible. I have not read that book, but I have heard really bad things about it. Blech!

Seren- maybe you ought to read it, just for "fun" : It really drives me crazy when people give that for baby showers! I've been stocking up on "The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding", "The Baby Book" (by Dr. Sears) and "The Super BabyFood Book" for my sisters-in-law..... Apparently two of them did the CIO thing - one did it with TRIPLETS, and she still does it. It's INSANE- and obviously it didn't "work" since they're still screaming their fool heads off when they leave them in their bedroom for bed- and naptimes.

Several years ago, before we moved up here, walmart in Little Rock had The Baby Book AND The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding on clearance for like $3 each- I bought 2 copies of each. Clearly I didn't think ahead very well (actually, I remember now I had a newborn and was leaking MADLY and not feeling tiptop!) or I would've bought ALL of them. I SO wish I had!

I've even seen "Super Nanny" tell parents to do the bedtime routine, place the child in bed, then sit next to the crib..... and each night move further from the crib until the child comfortable falling off to sleep upon being placed into their bed and being kissed goodnight. Hopefully the new mommy at least watches television!

Oh, hey! Maybe (*I*, mostly... but others who are against CIO possibly) could start giving the Mom a coupon at her baby shower stating that when it's time for the baby to go to sleep on their own- you'll come over and help her! I may really have to consider that, lol. It'd be like a "free babysitting" coupon, but instead a "free teach your child to sleep through the night" coupon? Something like "On baby's first birthday, Super Sleepytime Fairie (me) will arrive at your doorstep with refreshments and reinforcements to gently and painlessly lull baby off to dreamland..." or something goofy like that . Then they wont' be worried about it, they'll be excited about it, and it's my way of controlling all those new babies not having to CIO when I'm not there to "save" them, lol.

Well, anyway... I tihnk I'm low on sleep!!!

[klg47]

Originally Posted by seren

I went to a baby shower for a woman at church last night. It's their first baby. Shew as given a copy of baby wise. The other young mother who gave it to her told everyone it was her other bible. I have not read that book, but I have heard really bad things about it. Blech!

With this particular book, you do have a leg to stand on - the American Academy of Pediatrics has spoken out against the feeding practices outlined in the book. The only possible problem is that the AAP statement was several years ago, and Babywise may have come out with a new edition since then. But if you can find the official statement from the AAP, I would definitely bring it up with this mother. I would try to be as non-confrontational as possible, but strongly emphasize that the AAP has said it can be dangerous. Most people highly respect the AAP Here's some more info: http://ezzo.info/Aney/aneyaap.htm
And I'd bet you could find tons of information in the other forums!

[Laurel]

Seren, if you will be going to baby showers in the future where this woman will be present, I would start searching online for discounted copies of the Sears' Baby Book and give those as shower gifts. Even if this woman isn't going to be there, that book is a nice gift. I have given it in the past to new moms.

I certainly think you should take this new mom aside and just say, "You know, that book you received is really controversial. Please don't take it as 'the absolute truth'. Here are some books that I like better."

[NewCrunchyDaddy]

Originally Posted by Laurel

Seren, if you will be going to baby showers in the future where this woman will be present, I would start searching online for discounted copies of the Sears' Baby Book and give those as shower gifts. Even if this woman isn't going to be there, that book is a nice gift. I have given it in the past to new moms.

I certainly think you should take this new mom aside and just say, "You know, that book you received is really controversial. Please don't take it as 'the absolute truth'. Here are some books that I like better."

Try ABEBooks ... I swear by that website.

[guestmama9911]

I actually hide the BabyWise and Baby Whisperer books at book stores by covering them with The No-Cry Sleep Solution and Happiest Baby On The Block.

Sears has a new book called 25 Things Every New Mother Should Know. It only costs $10 new and a lot less used. It's FANTASTIC, not very long, and I think a great baby shower gift. Though Happiest Baby s also a good book because it's considered "mainstream" but still gves very gentle parenting advice.

PS - remember how I said I left an LDS mamas group because of religious speculation? I was invited back to be a moderator. Bwa ha ha ha ha!!!

[seren]

Originally Posted by ABC's&123's

Oh, hey! Maybe (*I*, mostly... but others who are against CIO possibly) could start giving the Mom a coupon at her baby shower stating that when it's time for the baby to go to sleep on their own- you'll come over and help her! I may really have to consider that, lol. It'd be like a "free babysitting" coupon, but instead a "free teach your child to sleep through the night" coupon? Something like "On baby's first birthday, Super Sleepytime Fairie (me) will arrive at your doorstep with refreshments and reinforcements to gently and painlessly lull baby off to dreamland..." or something goofy like that . Then they wont' be worried about it, they'll be excited about it, and it's my way of controlling all those new babies not having to CIO when I'm not there to "save" them, lol.

Wanna come be my Super Sleepytime Fairie? I'm beyond exhausted. Madalyn is almost 2 and still doesn't sleep through the night. And I won't even get started on the nightweaning battle STILL!!!!!! :

[NewCrunchyDaddy]

This was just in my email:

CHURCH WORKS TO SAVE INFANTS THROUGH NEONATAL RESUSCITATION TRAINING
LDS.org Newsroom

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah - Dr. Bulane, a staff physician at the Makoanyane Military Hospital in Maseru, Lesotho, deals daily with a shortage of trained medical personnel and supplies. Because of his concern for high infant mortality, Dr. Bulane registered for a training program in neonatal resuscitation conducted in his community by the Humanitarian Services Division of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

for the Church