Healing the Gut -- March thread - Page 12

[JaneS]

Caedmyn,

So if drinking a lot of kombucha gives you headaches it could be an amines issue??

You think the fact that DS has been drinking plain raw milk as opposed to yogurt and doing better mean that too?

Geez. Is there *anything* that I can ignore and not have to incorporate into our already nightmarish dietary procedures ....!?

[JaneS]

OMG, bananas are bad for amine issue. If I took DS's bananas away, he would run away. Seriously.

[JaneS]

Does milk thistle help with amines? Sorry to post a bunch at once, if I don't now when I'm thinking about it I'll forget.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by bluets

wow... i skip a day and miss a lot. found this link (http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-Kgb7f...sjmULpwU-?cq=1) through other means and thought i'd share. more wow.

I just couldn't help thinking of the movie title: "Willie's Baggie"

Very interesting though, thanks for posting. There is research on probiotics mitigating allergies, increasing IgA. Nutrients certainly do. I haven't gotten down to the contents of his baggie yet...

Hey, while I got you... could you do me a favor and find this study for me? I'm having trouble.

a study at the hospital of the University of Pennsylvania found that only 20% of breast-fed infants (in a sample of 61) had a significant number of bifidobacteria. In a study conducted at a suburban hospital, just two-thirds of breast-fed babies (in a sample of 21) had significant numbers of bifidobacteria. Breastfeeding alone, particularly in urban areas, is not sufficient for infants’ optimal well-being.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by mum2be

For the WTS, she hasn't given me an Rx for it yet because I have to call and see what they use for fillers. It is the sustained release T3.
She gave me Ashwagandha powder and capsules to support my adrenal glands. I am taking 3 capsules of 500mg each a day. And two teaspoons of the powder, instead of the pills if I would like. (The powder is better, but more of a pain to take and tastes icky!)

I looked at that website and it's scary how exact everything has to be! With a baby to take care of, that's hard : I'm going to look through the online dr.'s manual to get more info. Thanks for the link


I've been suspecting a low supply (not severe) for a while but it was attributed to my very limited diet and caloric intake. Dd has been nursing like crazy, and will never refuse the boob if I offer, which is unlike her. I figured she is constantly hungry and is probably ready for some solids. I wonder how else low progesterone effects your body...off to look up more in a bit

We live out in the country and have so many neighbors with goats, but I have no idea how sanitary their milking process is...I was hoping to get it from one of them, but who knows...I could always ask at the co-op! I will look into those yogurt starters...thanks!!

I think you just have to be sure to take the T3 every 12 hours, that's not too bad.

Low supply can be connected to low calcium so if you are dairy free be careful. That was my issue when I did the TED, I needed like 2,000 mg of calcium to keep up supply (probably wasn't aborbing it all and that was also before I was taking at least 3,000 IU of D a day too).

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Pookietooth

Jane, when are you supposed to temp and how often? My temps are all over the place.

Mine go up and down too. Interestingly when they are up I have more energy.

[JaneS]

Mum2be:

I was just going to say that if you don't have pathogenic bacteria in your stool that might means it's MORE likely you have a candida problem. How many times have you taken antibiotics in your lifetime? I think there are so many other factors to developing leaky gut too: antibiotics in conventional meat, chlorinated water, history of birth control pills to just name a few.

Originally Posted by caedmyn

Have you taken a candida questionnaire? There's some online...if you search for Dr. Crook and candida you should find one. I'm not sure how accurate the spit test really is, but I have heard that the questionnaire is pretty accurate. I don't know how accurate a stool test for candida is, either. I've heard that the most accurate candida test is a blood test.

Ditto this. Also the OAT test is supposed to be the best for detecting yeast: Organic Acids Test, urine.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by JaneS

This book is REALLY good, and I've read pretty much every one on sleep and infants/toddlers out there:

Sleepless in America: Is Your Child Misbehaving...or Missing Sleep?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...73602X/ggbc-20

It's by the author of the "Spirited Child" books. One thing I wish she would have addressed more would be helpful with our kids with sensory type sleep issues such as weighted blankets.

She is right on about keeping them calm... the more adrenaline in their systems the worse they are going to sleep. Unfortunately with gut issues, this is hard b/c their amino acids are off. At least that is what is going on with my DS. He is very moody and it definitely effects behavior and sleep.

I'll see if my library has that book, thanks. I just orderd the toddler NCSS so we'll see if that helps or not.

How can you tell if a child has sensory issues? DD hates having blankets over her legs--I can't cover her up unless she's really soundly asleep as she'll immediately start kick the blanket off (and usually wake herself up in the process).

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Caedmyn,

So if drinking a lot of kombucha gives you headaches it could be an amines issue??

You think the fact that DS has been drinking plain raw milk as opposed to yogurt and doing better mean that too?

Geez. Is there *anything* that I can ignore and not have to incorporate into our already nightmarish dietary procedures ....!?

Amines can cause migraines, so I suppose they can cause regular headaches as well. If you eat some dark chocolate and get a headache that'd probably be a pretty good indicator as dark chocolate is very high in amines. Yogurt is supposed to be the one cultured food that is reasonably low in amines, although 24 hour yogurt is probably higher in amines than yogurt cultured for shorter periods. But I read that yogurt is high in glutamates which can also cause reactions... And I've also read that sometimes people react to certain strains of probiotics:

Yeah the more I learn the less I know (and the more I wish I knew less!)

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Does milk thistle help with amines? Sorry to post a bunch at once, if I don't now when I'm thinking about it I'll forget.

Yes it should, because anything that supports the liver should help.

Getting OT on your question...do you know if milk thistle tincture is good for liver support (as opposed to the tea or ground seeds)? I've been doing different infusions for liver support but I think I'd like to try something simple, like a tincture.

If you join the native nutrition yahoo group, and search the archives for "biotin and candida", you can read a whole conversation between me and someone who seems very knowledgeable about food chemical sensitivities, nutrition, and a whole bunch of other things. He talks about different nutrients that help mitigate amine reactions (iron, for one). He's a real active poster, so you could also try posting your DS' issues and see if he has any new suggestions for you.

[Rachel J.]

Originally Posted by JaneS

And how old is he? Constipation has been correlated with low bifidus.

He's almost three and has been constipated most of his life He loves yogurt so that's good from a probiotic standpoint. Unfortunately he's developed bad eczema on his bottom and it's spreading. Makes me wonder about food allergies (dairy,wheat/gluten). Just talked to dh about taking him to a ND a few hours away from here but dh wants to exhaust the local, insurance covered options first : Oh well, at least he's open. I think everything is the bottom line ($$$) with him.

[mum2be]

Just found a great source of bifidobacterium for our babes WITH NO dairy!! I searched on google and found a MDC thread where goodpapa suggested this particular brand. I searched on the brand and found this! It looks really good. Anyone know anythign about it?

I wanted to post that because I know many of you were looking for a dairy free probitioc for your dc.

[mum2be]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Mum2be:

I was just going to say that if you don't have pathogenic bacteria in your stool that might means it's MORE likely you have a candida problem. How many times have you taken antibiotics in your lifetime? I think there are so many other factors to developing leaky gut too: antibiotics in conventional meat, chlorinated water, history of birth control pills to just name a few.



Ditto this. Also the OAT test is supposed to be the best for detecting yeast: Organic Acids Test, urine.

Ugh...seriously...I can't keep up with this anymore. There are so many tests! We've already spent well over $2,000 on tests and our insurance doesn't cover any of them : I'll look again at that candida questionnaire.

I took antibiotics for acne for about 2 years in high school. Darn dermatologist never told me it could lead to leaky gut or candida, but who would? I also took heavy doses of Excedrin migraine pills for about 2 years in high school everyday, so I wouldn't have to go home sick with a migraine. Um, let's see, what else? Oh yes, I was on birth control pills for a total of 3 or 4 years. : I'm just going to stop there...It's clear my body is falling apart...

[mum2be]

Sorry to keep posting again and again...

Just took the candida questionnaire and scored a 17. The only one that was negative was the UTI infection one.

Is the spit test pretty accurate?

Should I question my ND again, even when she seemed like the stool sample provided us with a good answer?

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by mum2be

Sorry to keep posting again and again...

Just took the candida questionnaire and scored a 17. The only one that was negative was the UTI infection one.

Is the spit test pretty accurate?

Should I question my ND again, even when she seemed like the stool sample provided us with a good answer?

I don't know how accurate the spit test is. What are you eating right now that you would have to eliminate for a candida diet? If you're only eating a few foods you may not be able to eliminate any to try a candida diet.

I still think your best bet is an anti-fungal trial. Raw garlic is cheap, and good for you regardless of whether you have candida or not. Digestive enzymes aren't too expensive, either.

[mum2be]

Well, my diet is pretty limited and I didn't have any sugar for around 5-6 months at all. The past 2.5 months I have added more sugar in...honey, brown sugar.

I know about garlic, but wonder how it would affect my milk. I heard it can alter the taste? Also, I have been taking digestive enzymes for a while now.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by mum2be

Well, my diet is pretty limited and I didn't have any sugar for around 5-6 months at all. The past 2.5 months I have added more sugar in...honey, brown sugar.

I know about garlic, but wonder how it would affect my milk. I heard it can alter the taste? Also, I have been taking digestive enzymes for a while now.

I was eating 5-6 cloves of raw garlic a day and it didn't bother DD any. Have you been taking digestive enzymes in between meals? The ones I mentioned are designed to be taken in between meals to kill yeast. Most candida diets also eliminate fruit and dairy and limit or eliminate grains and starchy veggies like potatoes and yams.

[Rachel J.]

Originally Posted by mum2be

Well, my diet is pretty limited and I didn't have any sugar for around 5-6 months at all. The past 2.5 months I have added more sugar in...honey, brown sugar.

I know about garlic, but wonder how it would affect my milk. I heard it can alter the taste? Also, I have been taking digestive enzymes for a while now.

I've heard that, on average, babies nurse longer when their mothers eat garlic. That being said, I'm pretty sure large quantities bother my ds, and garlic is one of the few natural antifungals that I've been able to find as safe for bfing moms (anyone know of any others?). Totally antedotal but my cousin's baby refused to bf when she ate lots of garlic.

[bluets]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Hey, while I got you... could you do me a favor and find this study for me? I'm having trouble....

weee... they don't give much info, do they? i'll see what i can do.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by Rachel J.

I've heard that, on average, babies nurse longer when their mothers eat garlic. That being said, I'm pretty sure large quantities bother my ds, and garlic is one of the few natural antifungals that I've been able to find as safe for bfing moms (anyone know of any others?). Totally antedotal but my cousin's baby refused to bf when she ate lots of garlic.

Digestive enzymes can be anti-fungal (between meals). I think grapefruit seed extract is safe but you don't want to take it for very long as I've read it kills the good bacteria, too. You could try oil of oregano but be careful as it can decrease milk supply. I took it for a couple of weeks and didn't have a problem but I've never had supply issues and I was drinking red raspberry leaf infusions at the same time.