Healing the Gut -- March thread - Page 13

[SAmama]

Originally Posted by bluets

wow... i skip a day and miss a lot. found this link (http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-Kgb7f...sjmULpwU-?cq=1) through other means and thought i'd share. more wow.

Does he ever say what is in the baggie?

[SAmama]

Oh, Caedmyn, they used to cook with pork fat here. Honestly, I am getting used to the idea of other animal fats, but pork, yuck! We were in a village a while back during hog slaughtering festival and everything, everything was cooked in pork fat. I had a really hard time.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by SAmama

Does he ever say what is in the baggie?

Yeah, in one of the blogs...#10 or 13 or 16...something like that.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by SAmama

Oh, Caedmyn, they used to cook with pork fat here. Honestly, I am getting used to the idea of other animal fats, but pork, yuck! We were in a village a while back during hog slaughtering festival and everything, everything was cooked in pork fat. I had a really hard time.

I don't know how they raise the pigs, but if the pigs eat a normal pig diet the fat is great to use. I just recently started using lard for baking and it makes things really moist and light. It might taste a bit odd to me for cooking, though, I don't know. Are you coming from a vegetarian/vegan background, or just trying to adjust to the saturated-fats-are-good mentality?

[bluets]

Originally Posted by SAmama

Does he ever say what is in the baggie?

yes... you have to dig for it... 21 different supplements

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

I was eating 5-6 cloves of raw garlic a day and it didn't bother DD any. Have you been taking digestive enzymes in between meals? The ones I mentioned are designed to be taken in between meals to kill yeast. Most candida diets also eliminate fruit and dairy and limit or eliminate grains and starchy veggies like potatoes and yams.

Mum2be:

Yes I would ditto taking enzymes between meals. They are the gentlest method I think and I found them immediately effective. Raw garlic really bothered me.

If you take both proteases and cellulases between meals it won't necessarily matter what type of dysbiosis you have IME.

[mum2be]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Mum2be:

Yes I would ditto taking enzymes between meals. They are the gentlest method I think and I found them immediately effective. Raw garlic really bothered me.

If you take both proteases and cellulases between meals it won't necessarily matter what type of dysbiosis you have IME.

Any recs for a brand? The ones I get now from my ND are $26 and I can't afford to go through them any faster than I already am!

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by mum2be

Any recs for a brand? The ones I get now from my ND are $26 and I can't afford to go through them any faster than I already am!

http://www.vitacost.com/RenewLifeCandiZyme (Candizyme)
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Candida-...nagement/cas-1 (generic version of Candex...this one is cellulase only, no proteases)
http://www.throppsnutrition.com/ps_ElitezymeUltra.htm (digestive enzymes to be taken with meals...$18/bottle with multiple purchase discounts...I would imagine these are just as good as the ones you're getting from your naturopath)

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by JaneS

If you take both proteases and cellulases between meals it won't necessarily matter what type of dysbiosis you have IME.

Do you think enzymes in between meals would help improve digestion? I've been having problems with bloating/gas again I've been taking the stronger of Thropp's enzymes both with and between meals.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

Do you think enzymes in between meals would help improve digestion? I've been having problems with bloating/gas again I've been taking the stronger of Thropp's enzymes both with and between meals.

Enzymes between meals: hands down one of the best things I've ever done for my gut.

[JaneS]

I have to say although probably most expensive (although maybe Enzymedica tops them) Houston's enzymes really are the best. The Peptizyde especially.

[mum2be]

Another question again...

Has anyone in the HTG tribe ever been "cured"? I mean, do we know anyone who had a leaky gut who is now fine and their dc too?

Will it take forever to fix my leaky gut? I've noticed a lot of you have been healing for a long time.

I guess it's just frustrating feeling like we're on our own with this. My dh is getting really angry that the only thing I can "do" is read stuff online and get help from people here. He wants a quick fix (as do I, but I know there isn't one) and is frustrated that I haven't gotten better yet...

[mum2be]

This was on the Peptizyde part of the website:

Reported Side Effects
In children sensitive to gluten and casein, initial use of Peptizyde™ may result in "exorphin-peptide withdrawal syndrome", as exorphin peptides are decreased in system. This may present as hyperactivity, irritability, increased aggression, tantrums, etc. for a period of several days to as long as a month. In most cases, this syndrome is resolved when dosing of 1 capsule per meal is obtained for a period of several days. Most parents report the cessation of negative behaviors after about 3 weeks. Often, the syndrome can be minimized by starting with low doses (¼ - ½ capsule) and working up to 1 capsule per meal within about 2 weeks. If behavior during this initial dosing becomes a concern, stop the enzyme supplementation for a period of 2 weeks (or until child returns to former behavior), then re-introduce Peptizyde™ at a much reduced dose and increase dosing at a much slower rate than previously used. Many parents also reported that decreasing or discontinuing certain vitamin supplements containing high amounts of B6 or P5P would alleviate much of the hyperactivity. Addition of HN-Zyme Prime to Peptizyde™ supplementation also seemed to reduce side effects from opiate withdrawal syndrome.

Honestly, I can't take anymore feelings of aggression! Is that normal with food allergies/leaky gut? Gosh, I've never felt so angry in my life! I HATE it!! JaneS...did you find this to be true when you took it?

So, these are for in between meals? Like twice a day?

This is what I am taking now that I get from my ND. I don't know enough to be able to compare this to any other brands.

I hate having to take so many pills a day. My diet is horrible (still lacking a lot of things) so I should really be taking a multi vitamin and mineral supplement, but I hate to have to add MORE and also the extra $ spent would be hard...

Enough for now. I have a major headache and it's been a rough couple of days...

[mum2be]

Anyone know anything about this brand? Does this look like a good supplement? It's so cheap, that I have to wonder...

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by mum2be

Another question again...

Has anyone in the HTG tribe ever been "cured"? I mean, do we know anyone who had a leaky gut who is now fine and their dc too?

Will it take forever to fix my leaky gut? I've noticed a lot of you have been healing for a long time.

I guess it's just frustrating feeling like we're on our own with this. My dh is getting really angry that the only thing I can "do" is read stuff online and get help from people here. He wants a quick fix (as do I, but I know there isn't one) and is frustrated that I haven't gotten better yet...

Well what do you consider cured? I think I can say yes. I can eat "regular food" without enzymes, just had pancakes with maple syrup and strawberries this AM at a friends house... no bloating or gas. I won't go into detail about poop quality but let me just say it's better.

However, I think do still need to be on intensive probiotics and do a traditional diet, lots of bone broths, CLO, soaked grain/low grain, low sugar, etc. But this is how I want to eat. I'll never go back to soy or harsh unsoaked grains or lots of sugar, I know better now.

DS is doing very well on his Rotation Diet with enzymes. He is sleeping better, skin looks great, poo's are generally good but tends to have constipation issues a bit, not that serious. Hardly ever diarrhea/soft stools now, that used to be his major problem and was clearly b/c his body was trying to expell allergens.

He ate RAW APPLE (with smoked salmon and you would've thought he was given ice cream he was so thrilled ) last week and did great!!! This is huge for him.

It's been a long road for us though. I didn't do things right in the beginning that's for sure, took longer than it might have needed to, but at least we are here now.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by mum2be

This was on the Peptizyde part of the website:

Reported Side Effects
In children sensitive to gluten and casein, initial use of Peptizyde™ may result in "exorphin-peptide withdrawal syndrome", as exorphin peptides are decreased in system. This may present as hyperactivity, irritability, increased aggression, tantrums, etc. for a period of several days to as long as a month. In most cases, this syndrome is resolved when dosing of 1 capsule per meal is obtained for a period of several days. Most parents report the cessation of negative behaviors after about 3 weeks. Often, the syndrome can be minimized by starting with low doses (¼ - ½ capsule) and working up to 1 capsule per meal within about 2 weeks. If behavior during this initial dosing becomes a concern, stop the enzyme supplementation for a period of 2 weeks (or until child returns to former behavior), then re-introduce Peptizyde™ at a much reduced dose and increase dosing at a much slower rate than previously used. Many parents also reported that decreasing or discontinuing certain vitamin supplements containing high amounts of B6 or P5P would alleviate much of the hyperactivity. Addition of HN-Zyme Prime to Peptizyde™ supplementation also seemed to reduce side effects from opiate withdrawal syndrome.

Honestly, I can't take anymore feelings of aggression! Is that normal with food allergies/leaky gut? Gosh, I've never felt so angry in my life! I HATE it!! JaneS...did you find this to be true when you took it?

So, these are for in between meals? Like twice a day?

This is what I am taking now that I get from my ND. I don't know enough to be able to compare this to any other brands.

I hate having to take so many pills a day. My diet is horrible (still lacking a lot of things) so I should really be taking a multi vitamin and mineral supplement, but I hate to have to add MORE and also the extra $ spent would be hard...

Enough for now. I have a major headache and it's been a rough couple of days...

Yes, I had massive anxiety/panic feelings when starting Peptizyde. Like I drank an entire pot of coffee, it was not fun. I had to stop completely for a time (forget how long) then slowly, starting with a small amount with breakfast.

Do you have mood issues when not taking the enzymes? They are absolutely related to leaky gut... your gut creates the neurotransmitters. Your amino acids (from proteins) are directly responsible for making the brain fuel. A great book is The Mood Cure by Julia Ross. It really helped me see personality differently. I went through insomnia and anxiety, all directly related to what my gut was doing at the time. And my nutritional stores.

What about bone broths? I think that is the biggest nutritional bang for your buck for minerals and amino acids and gelatin. It has L glutamine.

I'm not sure what to say about the pills... sometimes we really need the boost from supplements because we cannot eat enough of the right foods to get us better. But generally I try to stick to food supplements: cod liver oil, liver capsules, amla form of vitamin C. I do take selenium pills though.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by mum2be

Honestly, I can't take anymore feelings of aggression! Is that normal with food allergies/leaky gut? Gosh, I've never felt so angry in my life! I HATE it!! JaneS...did you find this to be true when you took it?

So, these are for in between meals? Like twice a day?

This is what I am taking now that I get from my ND. I don't know enough to be able to compare this to any other brands.

I hate having to take so many pills a day. My diet is horrible (still lacking a lot of things) so I should really be taking a multi vitamin and mineral supplement, but I hate to have to add MORE and also the extra $ spent would be hard...

Enough for now. I have a major headache and it's been a rough couple of days...

I am so sorry your DD still won't sleep--my DD didn't sleep as poorly as yours but there have been so many times when I just felt like I couldn't do it one more day. I just keep telling myself: Someday she WILL go to sleep by herself and sleep ALL NIGHT LONG!

This quote from the enzyme website pretty much sums it up: "The blend of enzymes is unique because it is active across a broad pH range in the digestive tract.†" How much of a difference that makes vs. a much cheaper good quality enzyme like Thropps, I don't know. Maybe you could ask your naturopath what she thinks?

[caedmyn]

This is going to sound like a dumb question, but...does anyone know how to tell if you're bloated? Sometimes I can tell I'm bloated, but a lot of times I wonder if I am but can't really tell. My stomach is flattest first thing in the morning but gets big after meals and never really deflates til the next day. But my meals are pretty bulky, so I'm not sure how much of that is just normal due to portion size.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by mum2be

Anyone know anything about this brand? Does this look like a good supplement? It's so cheap, that I have to wonder...

I've used their version of Candex and it seems to be okay as far as I can tell...I think it helps. It's kind of a generic brand as far as I can tell so the prices are low but the quality is still decent. FWIW, I'd buy their products if they ever have the things I want.

[Cello]

Originally Posted by Chinese Pistache

I hope the kinesiology thing works for you guys. Good luck with your trial! was so disappointed that Naet didn't work for us, but I'm still hopeful that dd will outgrow her allergies if we can avoid them for the next 2 yrs or so.

How long did it take for you to find out that NAET doesn't work?

I convinced my DH to go to his first appt today with an NAET practitioner, and she does testing and said based on his results, there was a good chance they would have to do the entire protocol -- which she said was not the average in her patients. And of course, she tries to push some supplements on us(glutamine, Saccharomyces boulardii). I asked her if we should try to heal his gut before we do NAET, she seemed like both together would help.

And as far as Chinese herbs, she pushes pills rather than real herbs. I asked her why, and her response was that unless you lived out in CA and had a China Town, it was not cost effective to stock so many herbs, and that most people were "lazy" and wanted the pills. She said she gets 1 or 2 at most/year who want to real herbs. Which leads to my next question: if she knows nothing about how these herbs are processed into these tiny little capsules, how would I know they are not causing more problems?

My poor DH's quality of life is horrible when his allergies break out(phenomenal fatigue), and it is really sad to hear ignorant stupid coworkers ask if he is contagious, because he is covered in pink splotchy spots -- so he wears long sleeve shirts all the time now. I know most people here are dealing with issues in their kids, but I'm honestly open to any advice you can give...It was hard enough for me to convince him to try YET another practitioners since western medicine has failed us, but I just did not get the warm and fuzzies about this woman....

Any input would be greatly appreciated ladies. Sorry if this was too long.