Healing the Gut -- March thread - Page 3

[bluets]

gut flora and body temperature

JaneS' post got me thinking about the more general relationship between gut flora and body temperature. My temp regulation seems better now than prior to pregnancy and during pregnancy (I was almost always cold while I was pregnant; now I'm usually quite comfortable).

This link popped up and may have some bearing on gut flora, body temp and SLEEP (since I recall that many mamas here have babies wih sleep issues):
http://books.google.com/books?id=C8t...MgNNZOVTbVW-E8

(if you want to repeat my search, i just used google and entered, without quotes, "gut flora basal body temperature")

[bluets]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

Oral antibiotics reduce body temperature of healthy rabbits in a thermoneutral environment.

Nonabsorbable oral antibiotics, which reduce gut flora, decrease the daytime and night-time body temperatures of rats and mice. We investigated whether oral antibiotics would also lower the body temperature of healthy rabbits. Six rabbits received neomycin sulphate in their drinking water for ten days, and seven rabbits received a mixture of chloramphenicol and dihydroxystreptomycin for six days. Body temperatures, recorded using intra-abdominal radiotelemeters, decreased significantly, by 0.2-0.3 degree C, after three days of antibiotic treatment in both groups of rabbits. The drop in body temperature was transient; after six days body temperatures returned to pre-antibiotic levels. Antibiotic treatment had no effect on either the acrophase or the amplitude of the circadian rhythm in body temperature. Oral antibiotics therefore reduce body temperature of rabbits, without influencing the circadian rhythm in body temperature. Our results are consistent with the hypothesis that an agent arising from intestinal bacteria sustains an elevated body temperature in healthy animals.

so, not only do antibiotics wipe out gut flora, but it takes (rabbits, anyway) 6 DAYS to rebound back to a normal body temperature. wonder how long it takes humans (with a much larger body to heat up)... and so, coupled with the gut flora/sleep piece, if you wipe out your gut flora, you mess up your body temp., making it difficult to re-establish normal gut flora, and you disrupt your sleep cycles.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by bluets

so, not only do antibiotics wipe out gut flora, but it takes (rabbits, anyway) 6 DAYS to rebound back to a normal body temperature. wonder how long it takes humans (with a much larger body to heat up)... and so, coupled with the gut flora/sleep piece, if you wipe out your gut flora, you mess up your body temp., making it difficult to re-establish normal gut flora, and you disrupt your sleep cycles.

The result seems to be messing with your thyroid hormone metabolism:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

B/c if you have low body temps, that means you have a thyroid problem regardless of blood tests... by the production of "Reverse T3" the inactive form.

Wilson's Low Temp information http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/

[formerluddite]

i have always had a low temp, usu 97.4 unless i had a fever. i recall when i was taking basal temp to ttc dd2, i was in the 97 range, and went up to 98.2 when i ovulated.

so this means my thyroid is out of whack? swell.

[JaneS]

Yep, and take that as good news if you are having gut problems... might be a big help to you to fix it! (at least that is what I'm trying to look at for DS especially)

Medication freaks me out but we might not have a choice. The theory with treating low temp syndrome is to take only T3 for a while and then it stops the conversion to reverse T3. Not be on it for life. Something like that, still reading.

[caedmyn]

If you're tracking BBT, what's the "ideal" range? I don't know if I'll remember/be motivated to take my temps now, but when I was TTC DD they were in the 98.2 range pre-ovulation (I only tracked for 10 days before O'ing in the cycle in which she was conceived). My "symptoms" haven't changed so if I did/didn't have a thyroid problem then it's probably the same now. Really I think I'm more likely to be hyperthyroid than hypothyroid since I have trouble keeping on weight...I don't have any symptoms of being hypothyroid.

[caedmyn]

Anyone know if persistant low blood pressure can be caused by things other than adrenal fatigue? I always have low blood pressure...guess I need to find some things to help my adrenal glands.

[mum2be]

This is very interesting about the low body temp and thyroid. I am awaiting further thyroid tests, but the last ones I had done (only partially done...) said my T4 was normal, but my "free T4" (???) was high. I guess they are awaiting the T3 results. I have no clue what I'm talking about here...

I've also had a low body temp for a long time now. In fact, when I was in labor it was in the 96 range! Usually it is in the low 97's though. Nobody has ever said anythign about it as abnormal or relating to thyroid...go figure!

Also, my ALP (alkaline phosphitaste?? or something like that...) was high, and my ND said it's usually only high in children because it has somethign to do with growing bones.

And there were some other things that came back as high too, but I am not remembering now.

We're really tryign to figure out what the heck is wrong with my body.


Question:

Can an imbalance of hormones cause any other weird things to happen to your body? Can leaky gut or candida cause hormonal changes, or can imbalanced hormones contribute to a leaky gut/candida??

SOrry about all the questions

[bluets]

Originally Posted by mum2be

Question:

Can an imbalance of hormones cause any other weird things to happen to your body? Can leaky gut or candida cause hormonal changes, or can imbalanced hormones contribute to a leaky gut/candida??

SOrry about all the questions

I would say "Yes". If I had my copy here, I'd refer to it, but it's on loan... You should read "Sexual Chemistry" by Ellen Grant. She writes (going from rusty memory here) that hormonal changes associated with the pill can change acid/base balance, thereby changing vaginal flora. Hence candida (and other microbial) outbreaks in women who are on the pill. I think one could infer, then, that hormonal changes in general can contribute to changes in flora (gut and otherwise)...

Not on the pill here, but I do notice a change in my bowels when AF visits. I don't change my diet at all, so I can only assume that it is a result of a change in hormones.

[mum2be]

Originally Posted by bluets

I would say "Yes". If I had my copy here, I'd refer to it, but it's on loan... You should read "Sexual Chemistry" by Ellen Grant. She writes (going from rusty memory here) that hormonal changes associated with the pill can change acid/base balance, thereby changing vaginal flora. Hence candida (and other microbial) outbreaks in women who are on the pill. I think one could infer, then, that hormonal changes in general can contribute to changes in flora (gut and otherwise)...

Not on the pill here, but I do notice a change in my bowels when AF visits. I don't change my diet at all, so I can only assume that it is a result of a change in hormones.

I was on the pill for about 3 years and was as healthy as could be...then I went off of it and started having all sorts of problems...

[bluets]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

Anyone know if persistant low blood pressure can be caused by things other than adrenal fatigue? I always have low blood pressure...guess I need to find some things to help my adrenal glands.

dh uses something called "Adrenergize". Mucho expensive. He only takes 1 pill in the morning, sometimes 1 at lunch, but was instructed NOT to take one n the evening lest he wanted to stay up all night. He DOES notice a difference, albeit a slight one, in his stress level and his anxiety (he's a pretty stressed out dude!) when he's taking the stuff. There's no way I'd be able to get him to actually eat anything that would be useful for adrenal glands, so the capsule is the next best thing. Oh yeah, he cut out coffee/mochas a few years ago, and cut out caffeinated last summer, with chocolate being his major source of caffeine now.

found this comparison (http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp) when looking to see if i had adrenal fatigue. if anything, i fall in the mixed category.

[Chinese Pistache]

Originally Posted by bluets

Not on the pill here, but I do notice a change in my bowels when AF visits. I don't change my diet at all, so I can only assume that it is a result of a change in hormones.

Me, too. When I was in college, I thought What in the world do these two systems have to do with eachother?? But that was before I had a more holistic view of health. Everything's connected.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

If you're tracking BBT, what's the "ideal" range?

Morning temps usually are slightly low normally. Best is taking them every 3 hours during day to average 98.6:

How are Body Temperatures Measured?
http://wilsonstemperaturesyndrome.co...AndAnswers.htm

edit: The Mood Cure talks about adrenal issues too.

[lincap]

"I know it's been asked about a zillion times and I'm sure that if I did a search I'd eventually find an answer, but could anyone tell me a dairy/soy/corn-free infant probiotic? I currently have three in my fridge that have given ds hives/welts around his mouth after taking them. I'm thinking that can't be a good sign."


We use Genestra brand... FREE OF EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!

[Janelovesmax]

I have a question: What is the best way to flush out candida once it starts to die out? Is Fiber blend before bed enough? Or should I do colonics?

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by Janelovesmax

I have a question: What is the best way to flush out candida once it starts to die out? Is Fiber blend before bed enough? Or should I do colonics?

Enemas are supposed to be good for that. I never used anything and the candida seemed to get out by itself just fine without giving me many die-off symptoms

[PapayaVagina]

i just remembered that i needed to scribe for March boy this thing gets going fast!

i'm working on HTG for me and my 4-month-old dd. i bought a dairy free bifidus probiotic supplement for her and she's been taking it x1 week, i started drinking more kefir (but think I need to culture it more because she seemed to react to it) and am getting a kombucha start on Tuesday. we're still dealing with really strange poo off and on but did have 1 day last week where her poop was almost normal! yay!

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by PapayaVagina

i just remembered that i needed to scribe for March boy this thing gets going fast!

i'm working on HTG for me and my 4-month-old dd. i bought a dairy free bifidus probiotic supplement for her and she's been taking it x1 week, i started drinking more kefir (but think I need to culture it more because she seemed to react to it) and am getting a kombucha start on Tuesday. we're still dealing with really strange poo off and on but did have 1 day last week where her poop was almost normal! yay!

Does she react to dairy? If the kefir is bothering her that's most likely what it is, unless she's amine-sensitive. Culturing the kefir longer will just reduce the lactose and it's highly unlikely for babies to be lactose intolerant because there's lactose in BM so they're designed to be able to digest it.

[LovinLiviLou]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Challenge for This Week:

Can everyone who can test their early AM temps to see if they are low?

Thyroid blood tests in DS are completely normal. But not temps. Our nutritionist has been very dogged in having me research Wilson's Low Temperature Syndrome and I think she is right.

Both DS and I temp test low. Apparently the digestive enzymes are produced and are effective in a very low temp range. If your body is too cool it will greatly effect digestion in addition to thyroid hormones that regulate a great deal of processes in the body. Also, a lightbulb went on and I wonder if that also effects your gut flora... we know that yeasts grow at lower temps than bacteria. I wonder if low body temp effects your gut flora balance?

Also, I will be posting our Rotation Diet guidelines in the Cheat Sheet, I know a number of people asked for it. Sorry it took me so long! Make sure you subscribe to the thread to get notified of new changes.

What do you think?

Very, very interesting. I have always had a low body temperature (hardly ever ran a fever as a child, too), except when I was pregnant with DD #1. I used to call her my little furnace because it was the only time in my life that I didn't have freezing hands and feet. That pregnancy was the healthiest I have ever been, and DD#1 is very healthy (and never cold). DD#2 has a lower body temperature, and I also did when I was pregnant with her, and DD#2 is the one I'm working through all kinds of digestive issues with. DD#2 also has my freezing hands and feet.

Off to read up on wilson's . .

[PapayaVagina]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

Does she react to dairy? If the kefir is bothering her that's most likely what it is, unless she's amine-sensitive. Culturing the kefir longer will just reduce the lactose and it's highly unlikely for babies to be lactose intolerant because there's lactose in BM so they're designed to be able to digest it.

Yes she does react to dairy. I was told on another board that if I cultured the kefir longer that she probably wouldn't have issues with it because it will reduce the lactose