Healing the Gut -- March thread - Page 5

[Pookietooth]

Originally Posted by mum2be

The past two times I have tried some grape juice (100% organic, no nothing added) I have gotten a really bad headache after and my tummy doesn't feel too good....what's up with that?

Do grapes and raisins give you headaches? Just asking because my best friend has that reaction. It could be the sulfur in the grapes or the salicylates. Also, grapes tend to be high in mold, which many people have a problem with. Or some other reaction. Sorry, not much help, am I?

[milkamama]

Originally Posted by JaneS

... DS is doing a 4 day Rotation Diet including most of his allergens, excepting those which were really bad on testing, and any I notice poop/skin reactions.

The book Bacteria for Breakfast is excellent at explaining the allergy-gut flora connection.
http://books.google.com/books?vid=IS...hgy0DopR51yjKQ

jane,
i am so curious about your ds's rotation diet. after learning what my ds's triggers are, we decided to completely eliminate them in hopes of him outgrowing them. i would love to hear more about your thinking regarding the allergens in the rotation....really some days, i would just love to pick your brain about all of the healing the gut stuff! thank you!! you have helped me a great deal on our journey toward gut healing. many of your readings and advice has lead to healing...and sanity. i don't always get the chance to post much...my boys keep me very busy...but i read a lot.

peace

[caedmyn]

Well DD had her health kinesiology visit today. It was very weird--the practitioner had me touch DD and then would ask questions while muscle testing my arm. Very, very weird...I can understand muscle testing while holding a substance, but muscle testing while asking questions? I don't know, I'm pretty skeptical. Then supposedly she "cleared" some emotional issues and wheat. But I can't trial wheat because she only cleared the allergy (which she described as reactions to the touch, smell, etc, which DD never had in the first place) and didn't clear her tolerance to wheat??? So...I'm supposed to take DD back on Monday and she'll clear most/all of the rest of her allergens and tolerances. I'm not too thrilled with the fact that there's nothing I can trial to see if it even worked before I spend any more money on it, and the whole thing was a bit too new-agey for me...but I feel like now that I've started and spent the money I better go to the next appointment and hopefully accomplish something. The practitioner did say it should not take more than one or two more sessions to be totally done (which is good because I'm certainly not going to cough up money for very long without some indication that this is actually working).

Oh, and she also recommended a homeopathic to help with DD's yeast and gut flora issues--it's called Intestinal Mucosa. Has anyone heard of this?

[Rachel J.]

I have a few probiotic related questions for the "pros" here. My poor ds2 is now hoarse from what I assume is reflux due to bad food choices on my part : I really need to get some safe, quality probiotics into him and have decided that customprobiotics is the best/safest way to go. So, what should I get for an EBF 4 1/2 month old? I'm thinking B. infantis and a little L. Reuteri but are there any other strains that I should include? I feel a little anxious playing with his gut flora but since it's clearly shot already it can't hurt too much. Also, for anyone who has ordered from there, what is a reasonable quantity to buy? I saw that the prices are based on 50 grams usually. How many doses does that average out to? Since it's $15 to ship no matter what you buy I might also get some for myself. Any recommendations? It's just so expensive, I'd like to get it right.

2nd issue (I'm just full of questions today ), I just got my first 2 gallons of raw milk (where's the dancing cow?) and I want to make some yogurt for ds1 (the constipated guy). For now I'll probably just use Dannon since that's readily available and throw in some of the L. Reuteri probiotics I have. Is the yogurt starter from customprobiotics worth getting?

Okay, that's enough questions for now. Maybe one day soon I'll have enough experience/knowledge to give input here instead of just take, take, take.

[bluets]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

Oh, and she also recommended a homeopathic to help with DD's yeast and gut flora issues--it's called Intestinal Mucosa. Has anyone heard of this?

what does it have in it? the info on the 2 websites i found are less than revealing.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by Rachel J.

I have a few probiotic related questions for the "pros" here. My poor ds2 is now hoarse from what I assume is reflux due to bad food choices on my part : I really need to get some safe, quality probiotics into him and have decided that customprobiotics is the best/safest way to go. So, what should I get for an EBF 4 1/2 month old? I'm thinking B. infantis and a little L. Reuteri but are there any other strains that I should include? I feel a little anxious playing with his gut flora but since it's clearly shot already it can't hurt too much. Also, for anyone who has ordered from there, what is a reasonable quantity to buy? I saw that the prices are based on 50 grams usually. How many doses does that average out to? Since it's $15 to ship no matter what you buy I might also get some for myself. Any recommendations? It's just so expensive, I'd like to get it right.

2nd issue (I'm just full of questions today ), I just got my first 2 gallons of raw milk (where's the dancing cow?) and I want to make some yogurt for ds1 (the constipated guy). For now I'll probably just use Dannon since that's readily available and throw in some of the L. Reuteri probiotics I have. Is the yogurt starter from customprobiotics worth getting?

Okay, that's enough questions for now. Maybe one day soon I'll have enough experience/knowledge to give input here instead of just take, take, take.

You probably want only the b. infantis for your baby as something like 90% of the good bacteria in an EBF baby's gut is that strain. If you tell them it's for an infant they'll sell you 25 grams. At 50 billion CFU's a day that would last you roughly 4 months, or at 25 billion CFU's a day 8 months. For yourself...maybe the adult capsules, or else they have a 6 strain blend that might be good. I got that one for my DD and had them add a couple of extra strains to it.

As long as your DS is okay with dairy I don't think it really matters what yogurt starter you use.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by bluets

what does it have in it? the info on the 2 websites i found are less than revealing.

I don't know, you probably looked at the same sites I looked at! The more I think about that whole visit, the less I like it. If I had realized beforehand what was it was going to be like, I would not have taken DD to it. Now I'm debating whether I should try another session just to finish it, or whether I should just cut my losses.

[Pookietooth]

Caedmyn, I have been working with a kineseologist who also does homeopathics, and what she does is ask questions while energy testing to "ask the body what it needs." There are plenty of people who discount this, including energy healer Donna Eden, but to me it made sense. I am going with her because I like her and am optimistic about our cases. However, if your intuition is telling you it's not going to work, listen to that. I don't know. It's hard to work without a professional, but when you get into the fringe stuff, it's hard to find someone who is right, isn't it? Oh, and the homeopathic looks like a flower essence, right? This is what I found: http://www.apexenergetics.com/catalo...ients.htm#R-23
Maybe you could look each of the remedies up separately and see what they do, and use the individual one that seems right?

[formerluddite]

from pookietooth's link, it's a combination remedy with a lot of different potencies (the 3x 6c stuff) mixed together. a classical homeopath wouldn't recommend this type of remedy, they prefer to try one remedy at a time.

R-23 INTESTINAL MUCOSA
ARNICA for trauma
CANTHARIS (spanish fly), usually for burns
PLATINUM MET. not sure of the indication, but metals are often used as remedies, more commonly sulpher, phosphorus, mercury.
CALENDULA good for skin healing, and intestines are skin... sort of
NITRICUM ACIDUM nitric acid, not sure of the indication
CROCUS SATIVUM a flower, not sure of the indication
ADENOSINE TRIPHOSPHATE (ATP) basic unit of aerobic metabolism: ATP <-> ADP + P +energy (eeek, 1992 exercise phys flashback) not sure of the indication.

i looked up the links from materia medica, at ABC homeopathy, but didn't find an entry for ATP.

the potencies indicate how dilute it is (more dilute=more powerful). remedies are prepared by serial dilution. x=10, c=100, so 3x=1/1,000 6c=1/1,000,000,000,000 (1/100 to the 6th power). dilutions above 12c don't really have the likelihood to have even one molecule of original substance left (since < avogadro's number), but purportedly leave an energy imprint on the water molecules that can be seen with an electron microscope. not sure why they would combine potencies.

hope this doesn't muddle things further for you, caedmyn.

[mum2be]

Originally Posted by Pookietooth

Do grapes and raisins give you headaches? Just asking because my best friend has that reaction. It could be the sulfur in the grapes or the salicylates. Also, grapes tend to be high in mold, which many people have a problem with. Or some other reaction. Sorry, not much help, am I?

Nope....grapes don't and I haven't had raisins in a while, but they never did before. Maybe it's just the high sugar content in the juice or something?

[mum2be]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

Well DD had her health kinesiology visit today. It was very weird--the practitioner had me touch DD and then would ask questions while muscle testing my arm. Very, very weird...I can understand muscle testing while holding a substance, but muscle testing while asking questions? I don't know, I'm pretty skeptical. Then supposedly she "cleared" some emotional issues and wheat. But I can't trial wheat because she only cleared the allergy (which she described as reactions to the touch, smell, etc, which DD never had in the first place) and didn't clear her tolerance to wheat??? So...I'm supposed to take DD back on Monday and she'll clear most/all of the rest of her allergens and tolerances. I'm not too thrilled with the fact that there's nothing I can trial to see if it even worked before I spend any more money on it, and the whole thing was a bit too new-agey for me...but I feel like now that I've started and spent the money I better go to the next appointment and hopefully accomplish something. The practitioner did say it should not take more than one or two more sessions to be totally done (which is good because I'm certainly not going to cough up money for very long without some indication that this is actually working).

Oh, and she also recommended a homeopathic to help with DD's yeast and gut flora issues--it's called Intestinal Mucosa. Has anyone heard of this?

We saw a kinesiologist, but only to muscle test certain foods to see if dd or I reacted to them. The kinesiologist we saw is GREAT and was dead on every time. She never tried to eliminate the allergies though and I didn't know they could do that...I hope it works out for you!!

I'm interested in how the homeopathic remedy helps. Keep us updated!!

[mum2be]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

You probably want only the b. infantis for your baby as something like 90% of the good bacteria in an EBF baby's gut is that strain. If you tell them it's for an infant they'll sell you 25 grams. At 50 billion CFU's a day that would last you roughly 4 months, or at 25 billion CFU's a day 8 months. For yourself...maybe the adult capsules, or else they have a 6 strain blend that might be good. I got that one for my DD and had them add a couple of extra strains to it.

As long as your DS is okay with dairy I don't think it really matters what yogurt starter you use.

I called him again yesterday and he kept asking me if I could hang on and then eventually said, "I'm pretty busy today, can you call back and order tomorrow?" I was like, what the heck...does this guy not want my $200??? It was funny though...

So our ND has dd on the blend of probiotics I am taking because they skew against TH1 (something about autism, those were her words). They don't even contain B. Infantis and even contain FOS (which I don't like the idea of). So I originally thought I should get the lactate free ones, but if you're saying that babies should only get B. Infantis, should I NOT get those? Dd is 6 months.
I was going to get the lactate free and take those myself as well, and get the capsule for me too. I need some major gut healing here...

Oh, and we went to a mother's get together yesterday and my ND goes with her daughter. She sat down next to us with a plate of food and dd was sitting on the floor and reached out her arms towards the plate and made the sounds, "eh, eh, eh!" It was so funny. The ND was like, "I have NEVER seen a baby her age want food so badly!"

So yea, delaying solids is going to be REALLY interesting

[Rachel J.]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

You probably want only the b. infantis for your baby as something like 90% of the good bacteria in an EBF baby's gut is that strain. If you tell them it's for an infant they'll sell you 25 grams. At 50 billion CFU's a day that would last you roughly 4 months, or at 25 billion CFU's a day 8 months. For yourself...maybe the adult capsules, or else they have a 6 strain blend that might be good. I got that one for my DD and had them add a couple of extra strains to it.

As long as your DS is okay with dairy I don't think it really matters what yogurt starter you use.

Thanks for the recommendations. Considering how long that will last compared to other high quality probiotics they actually have reasonable prices. That's a relief (on the pocketbook).

[Rachel J.]

Originally Posted by mum2be

Nope....grapes don't and I haven't had raisins in a while, but they never did before. Maybe it's just the high sugar content in the juice or something?

I know that a lot of people struggling with candida issues (hence gut issues) get hangovers/headaches from overfeeding the little critters as well as from die off due to starving them.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by Pookietooth

Caedmyn, I have been working with a kineseologist who also does homeopathics, and what she does is ask questions while energy testing to "ask the body what it needs." There are plenty of people who discount this, including energy healer Donna Eden, but to me it made sense. I am going with her because I like her and am optimistic about our cases. However, if your intuition is telling you it's not going to work, listen to that. I don't know. It's hard to work without a professional, but when you get into the fringe stuff, it's hard to find someone who is right, isn't it? Oh, and the homeopathic looks like a flower essence, right? This is what I found: http://www.apexenergetics.com/catalo...ients.htm#R-23
Maybe you could look each of the remedies up separately and see what they do, and use the individual one that seems right?

What sorts of questions does she ask, and have you seen any results?

I can maybe see that if she was testing me, she could say "garlic" and my body would react if I had a problem with garlic. But DD doesn't have a clue what garlic is, and I don't believe her body is magically going to react to the word garlic. And how are her cells going to know if a particular homeopathic remedy is right for her? And supposedly at the next session she's supposed to ask questions to determine DD's tolerances for certain foods...like DD can tell if I can only eat 1/4 c. of yogurt a day. And how the heck are a bunch of coils in vials taped to meridians on my and DD's bodies going to eliminate DD's allergies? I still feel like it could work, but logically, no, it isn't going to happen. But I hate to feel like I'm throwing all that money away if one more session would actually do something...

I'm going to call the two NAET practitioners in town today. I do actually believe in the theory of muscle testing (when it involves actually holding the substances, not by questioning), and I think that tapping could eliminate allergies, so that might be better for us if it's not too expensive.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by formerluddite

from pookietooth's link, it's a combination remedy with a lot of different potencies (the 3x 6c stuff) mixed together. a classical homeopath wouldn't recommend this type of remedy, they prefer to try one remedy at a time.

R-23 INTESTINAL MUCOSA
ARNICA for trauma
CANTHARIS (spanish fly), usually for burns
PLATINUM MET. not sure of the indication, but metals are often used as remedies, more commonly sulpher, phosphorus, mercury.
CALENDULA good for skin healing, and intestines are skin... sort of
NITRICUM ACIDUM nitric acid, not sure of the indication
CROCUS SATIVUM a flower, not sure of the indication
ADENOSINE TRIPHOSPHATE (ATP) basic unit of aerobic metabolism: ATP <-> ADP + P +energy (eeek, 1992 exercise phys flashback) not sure of the indication.

i looked up the links from materia medica, at ABC homeopathy, but didn't find an entry for ATP.

the potencies indicate how dilute it is (more dilute=more powerful). remedies are prepared by serial dilution. x=10, c=100, so 3x=1/1,000 6c=1/1,000,000,000,000 (1/100 to the 6th power). dilutions above 12c don't really have the likelihood to have even one molecule of original substance left (since < avogadro's number), but purportedly leave an energy imprint on the water molecules that can be seen with an electron microscope. not sure why they would combine potencies.

hope this doesn't muddle things further for you, caedmyn.

Thanks...I like the idea of it but I've never had any success with combination homeopathic remedies, so I think I'll pass on it. I should look to see if there's a single remedy for gut healing or yeast overgrowth or that sort of thing, though.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by mum2be

I called him again yesterday and he kept asking me if I could hang on and then eventually said, "I'm pretty busy today, can you call back and order tomorrow?" I was like, what the heck...does this guy not want my $200??? It was funny though...

So our ND has dd on the blend of probiotics I am taking because they skew against TH1 (something about autism, those were her words). They don't even contain B. Infantis and even contain FOS (which I don't like the idea of). So I originally thought I should get the lactate free ones, but if you're saying that babies should only get B. Infantis, should I NOT get those? Dd is 6 months.
I was going to get the lactate free and take those myself as well, and get the capsule for me too. I need some major gut healing here...

Yeah I had that experience with him, too! Maybe he has big clients on the other lines

I believe when a baby is born their immune system is skewed to Th1...basically so they can survive the pregnancy since they're essential a foreign body within the mother. As they develop their immune system slowly transitions so it is Th2 skewed. Sometimes this process doesn't happen correctly (vaccines especially interefere with it) and the immune system stays Th1 skewed, which causes problems. Hopefully I've got that right...I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but anyway, I think your ND is recommending a probiotic that she thinks will help your DD's immune system (and food tolerances) develop normally.

Does the probiotic you were going to get have the same strains as the one she's currently on? You could always give her both... Since your DD's pretty close to the age when she'll start solids, I don't know how practical it is to buy a bunch (# of doses-wise, anyway) of b. infantis when she can certainly go to other strains once she "officially" starts solids. Does that make sense?

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by mum2be

We saw a kinesiologist, but only to muscle test certain foods to see if dd or I reacted to them. The kinesiologist we saw is GREAT and was dead on every time. She never tried to eliminate the allergies though and I didn't know they could do that...I hope it works out for you!!

I'm interested in how the homeopathic remedy helps. Keep us updated!!

Did she muscle tests while you (or your DD) was holding the substance (or a homeopathic dilution of the substance) she was testing?

[formerluddite]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

I should look to see if there's a single remedy for gut healing or yeast overgrowth or that sort of thing, though.

too bad they don't make homeopathically prepared candida albicans... considering how many people have yeast probs (look at all the money monistat must make) i'm really surprised they don't. but i guess they view such problems as "whole organism" issues and treat them constitutionally.

we did NAET (and 5wks of candida diet/herbs/enzymes/probiotics) when dd1 was 21mos, with mixed success. her sleep stayed an issue, but her eczema pretty much went away, even after reintroducing dairy and soy. (it came back after we had her vaxed with hepA before a trip to india, scaremongering got to me : ). i held dd1 and the accupucturist tested me (and cleared her) as dd1 held the vials one by one. then because so much was positive, she started resting dd1's foot on as many vials in the box as possible at a time, and clearing lots at a time. i also felt much better and much less reactive to my uncleared allergens (acacia pollen, animals, she said you have to clear for each individual animal, ie "fido," not just generic dog) after treatment, but i think things have worsened since i kind of let things go after a while, and i'm pretty sure a fair amount of yeast is with us again, so we're probably sensitized again. i certainly reacted quickly and strongly to an overload of coconut (fresh, oil, milk) a month or so ago.

i know all of these "energy medicines" take suspension of disbelief, since the framework is so foreign to western medical teaching, and it's hard to $pend the buck$ for something that could just as easily be snake oil.

[bluets]

Originally Posted by formerluddite

too bad they don't make homeopathically prepared candida albicans... considering how many people have yeast probs (look at all the money monistat must make) i'm really surprised they don't. but i guess they view such problems as "whole organism" issues and treat them constitutionally.

ah, but they do:
http://www.nelsonshomoeopathy.co.uk/...91766095.shtml
(available in the US at http://www.smallflower.com/product/1784)

and although you won't find it on Boiron's website, Boiron does have a Candida product (and i could swear that i saw this locally in our HFS).
http://www.smallflower.com/product/15103

has anyone tried the RenewLife Candigone? (http://www.smallflower.com/product/22219)