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post #1 of 43
Thread Starter 
Hi,

This is my first time posting but I have been lurking a LONG time. I hesitated to post because it seems there have been a lot of sad posts lately about loved ones circumcising their precious boys. Unfortunately, I am in the same boat this week and could really use the support of people who don't think I am "alternative" for not wanting someone to cut off a part of their baby. I will preface this by saying I have 4 boys, the first two I ignorantly allowed to be circed, and the last two I left intact after really researching. It has been more than six years since I discovered the truth and I have become very passionate about this issue.

My best friend of 20 years just had a baby boy(her 1st dc) this past Wednesday(a c-section after 3 failed induction attempts at 38 weeks, but that's ANOTHER sad story). When she first discovered she was pregnant I bought her a gift subscription to Mothering in an attempt to introduce her to natural parenting. She has always been very mainstream and I hoped it might open her eyes to other ways of thinking. I have worried about how the circumcision issue was going to affect our friendship since before she even started trying to get pregnant. She is not very easy to talk to about serious issues. She tends to shut down and not say much, so it is hard to guage how she really feels. But, she found out she was having a boy, so brought it up and told her my whole story. At the time (6mos preg.), she wasn't sure what they were going to do, so I told her I would send her some info. to read. She seemed very open to hearing about it and I felt very hopeful. I sent her some links and the video in an email. She didn't reply to my email or bring it up again.

I knew I needed to broach the subject again as I was losing sleep over the whole thing. I knew I need to try to reach her. During a phone call I asked her if she had read my email and looked at the info I sent her. She said she had and she thought it was very interesting. She didn't say what they were deciding to do, but mentioned that her dh thought it was cleaner to circumcise. I quickly rebutted that myth and reiterated that circ was not necessary. She said her OB didn't do them and neither did the Ped she had picked. I encouraged her to ask why they didn't perform them, and I told her I wished that it wasn't even an option for parents. She seemed to agree with me on this point, but wouldn't open up any further on the subject.

Fast forward a month to the birth. I still didn't know their decision, but given that she hadn't mentioned anything to me, I was pretty sure they were going to do it. I was just sick about it this week and had so much anxiety about whether or not to ask her during labor. Turns out I didn't get to see her before the c-section. I saw her the night of delivery, but knew I couldn't bring it up when she was on morphine. I went to see her and the baby yesterday. Oh, he is such a beautiful thing! So sweet and vulnerable. I held him for a long while, torn about what to say to her. I noticed her folder she had put together for the birth and peeked through it. There it was, on her birth plan " I would like my baby circumcised before we leave the hospital." My heart sunk. I left shortly after that feeling sick to my stomach. I didn't know what to say. After another night tossing and turning, I called this morning intent on asking her about it. I wanted her to know that I hoped she wouldn't go through with it. Emotionally, I have to distance myself from her. I can't go hold that baby again knowing what was to come. But, I thought it was unfair to detach myself without an explanantion. She didn't answer her cell, so I left her a message. I started crying. I told her I loved her, but that it hurt my heart to think of that happening to her precious baby. I told her that I know my opinion is not the common one, but that I feel very strongly about this, and I couldn't not say it.

I haven't heard back from her today. I left my message about 5 hours ago. Maybe she hasn't listened to my message.....but, I doubt that. I don't know what will come of this, but I had to try again. I'm sure that they will do it, and I know that there will be this space between us now. I'm so sad over all of it, and so angry. I know I can't be around the baby now without be intensely sad, but I am sad that I cannot be a part of her new joy. It doesn't help that my dh thinks I am being somewhat hypocritical, given we made the same choice before. But I regret those decisions so much, and I so wish that someone I trusted had told me the truth. I wonder if I should have left that message, knowing that she is in a very vulnerable state now. I want to be able to support her. I feel as if I am being selfish and making this about me. On the other hand, I feel that circumcision has continued partly because people treat it like any other parenting decision. And it's NOT. Sometimes it's just not easy being part of the unpopular opinion, is it? If you made it this far, thank you. I really needed to get that out and there aren't many places where my feelings would be even remotely understood.

Jen
post #2 of 43


This isn't about you, you're not being selfish, it's not about her either, it's about her baby and the horrible thing that she wants to do to him, because she doesn't see him as a person but a thing that she made and owns, to be cut up for her convenience (or at least for what she thinks is her convenience, of course she's wrong, caring for a circ is much harder work).

You did your best, and you are not being hypocritical either, you didn't know for your first two - but when you found out you didn't do it again. This woman has been given the facts and still wants it done. She doesn't deserve you as a friend.
post #3 of 43
: mama. you aren't a hypocrite -- you now know better, so you are doing better (to paraphrase maya angelou). i hope your message got through -- maybe if she sees what a big deal this is to you she'll really think about it. i hope so. : and i dont think you're being selfish -- *she* is, for putting her baby through cosmetic surgery.
post #4 of 43
Thread Starter 
Thanks so much for the hugs and kind words. I really need them today. Confrontation is so hard with those closest to me. I really wish I could have swayed her, but I think her decision was made from the beginning, no matter what she told me.
post #5 of 43
I don't think you are a hypocrite either. You've done a good thing educating your friend and the only wrong thing about is that she didn't listen.
post #6 of 43
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Originally Posted by Sheacoby View Post
I don't think you are a hypocrite either. You've done a good thing educating your friend and the only wrong thing about is that she didn't listen.
: You did the right thing. She did not... Chopping off a piece of her baby is NOT the right thing :



love and peace.
post #7 of 43
Sounds like she might have been be easily influenced by her partner s wishes.

As for messages and cells.... most hospitals don't let you use cells and block them-- I know I didn't get to make or get any calls for days because my cell phone was useless and i had no calling card to make long distance calls on the phone.

((Hugs))

Jessica
post #8 of 43
I'm so sorry mama. You did your best. Hearing about this happening to those poor babies everyday is starting to make me sick. And really, really MAD!
post #9 of 43
I am so sorry for all of you. Most especially the baby boy who is having his bodily intergrity violated.

I will never understand this atrocity.

I have an acquaintance that circ'd her two boys and I cannot see them without picturing them strapped screaming to a circumstraint. It's a gruesome image and try as I have, I cannot shake it. Unfortunately, I didn't know her well before she consented to have her children violated but she's a very bright educated person, I just never would have thought she'd allow something like that.

Circumcision hurts so many for so long....i just wish it would end.
post #10 of 43
Thread Starter 
Thanks again everyone. It really helps to know I am not alone. I'm pretty sure she has received my message as I have been communicating with her at the hospital on her cell all week. And this is the first day she has not called me.

I hope that poor baby is doing OK. I will never understand how logic and reason has not won out over this. I know that I allowed my first two sons to be circed, but it only took 3 seconds of the video (I've never even watched the whole thing) for me to know that circ is wrong on so many levels. No, on EVERY level. I'm so ashamed to be part of this culture sometimes.
post #11 of 43
Hugs to you and that poor little baby boy.

You are a good friend for caring and for trying to save that baby. I wish there was something more I could say, but I am very sorry.

Circumcision without the consent of the owner of the penis is an atrocity. I hate it and the pain it causes to so many people, but especially the poor little baby.
post #12 of 43
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Originally Posted by PuppyFluffer View Post
I cannot see them without picturing them strapped screaming to a circumstraint. It's a gruesome image and try as I have, I cannot shake it.
Yes yes yes. This is exactly the emotional response I have to it as well.
very difficult. Hugs to you, jen.
post #13 of 43
Thread Starter 
Update(a positive one so far):

My friend called this afternoon. I was in the shower but she spoke to my dh. Apparently they had a bad day yesterday since they haven't had much rest. She chatted with my dh and mentioned that I had left her a very emotional message. My dh told her that he was aware of it and that my intentions were pure. She asked him to have me call her back.

When I called, I tried didn't mention the call, just asked how everything was, etc. I was afraid to mention it again. However, as we were getting off the phone she said " I wanted to let you know he is still in one piece." I was quite surprised. She said they were still talking about it and that her dh was still considering whether or not to do it. I told her they didn't have to do it now, if they weren't sure, they could wait. I told her to have her dh call mine if he wanted to talk to a guy about it. I told her I really hoped they wouldn't and that I was glad she knew how I felt.

Honestly, I am very surprised that she mentioned it. I am trying not to be too hopeful, but if she mentioned it at all, it must really mean they are not sure, right? I know her post pregnancy hormones are kicking in because she mentioned crying just looking at him. I am hoping so much that her mama instinct kicks in and she will just not be able to go through with it. The appointment is scheduled for tomorrow morning. Please send outyour positive thoughts mamas! I am envisioning her taking the whole baby home. Maybe my heartfelt plea really will make a difference.
post #14 of 43
I hope, I hope ,I hope they won't do it!!!!!!!!
post #15 of 43
Oh I hope her dh is open to listening to her and that her protective instincts are in full gear!!!!

love and peace.
post #16 of 43
Prayers for those protective mama vibes to kick in!!!!!
post #17 of 43
I really hope she realizes that her baby is perfect NOW and doesn't need to be cut!
post #18 of 43
Oh, fingers crossed!

If you or your dh can talk to them again, ask them to ask the hospital if they can watch it being done to another baby before they make up their mind. Even if it's done with anesthesia, it's such a gruesome procedure that it ought to shock some sense into them!

If the hospital says no, they can't observe, tell them that that's pretty telling -- the doctors don't want people to see what goes on behind closed doors until they've signed on the dotted line.
post #19 of 43

Educational video on the history of the foreskin!

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi...o/prepuce.html
post #20 of 43
thats a good update so far! Fingers crossed for that baby boy!
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