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post #21 of 32
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plates/mugs that my son and I created at one of those paint your own pottery places. They get glazed and fired. Are they not safe to use?? We were told they were safe to eat/drink out of. 
I wouldn't consider them safe. Read my post above. Not right above this but from a couple days ago. It is sad that these people are lying and saying they are safe when any knowlegable ceramicist know that they aren't unless they were fired in a "virgin" kiln
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plates/mugs that my son and I created at one of those paint your own pottery places. They get glazed and fired. Are they not safe to use?? We were told they were safe to eat/drink out of. 
I wouldn't consider them safe. Read my post above. Not right above this but from a couple days ago. It is sad that these people are lying and saying they are safe when any knowlegable ceramicist know that they aren't unless they were fired in a "virgin" kiln
Wow : These paint-your-own places are ALL over in my area. All I see are kids in there with their moms painting pottery to take home and eat off of. I drink out of one of the mugs every day. I can't believe they would put children at risk by lying like this
post #23 of 32
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Here is another concern. When a piece of pottery containing lead (or any toxic contaminate for that matter) is fired in a kiln, a certain amount of the toxin will leach to the kiln and for the life of that kiln, it has the potential to release the toxin during the following firings and contaminate pieces that were not actually glazed with lead glazes. So, technically just because a handmade piece of pottery says "lead-free glaze" does not mean that some amounts of lead did not outgas onto it from the kiln during a firing. I am very leary of what I eat off of for this reason. It is hard to determine what is actually safe. The only way to guarentee that a handmade piece of pottery is foodsafe is to know that nothing toxic has EVER been fired in that kiln. Most of my ceramiscist friends would sneak lead-glazed pieces into the kilns even though they were not allowing lead glazes at our university. Our kilns were already contaminated anyhow, but it goes to show that no kiln can be considered safe unless it is used by a small amount of ceramicists that bought/built the kiln new and really have never fired any toxic glazed pieces in it.
The cooperative studio I work out of has bought multiple new kilns since I have been a member, and they are not allowed to use lead there. It is misleading to assume that everyone is working with contaminated kilns. For About 30 years now, ceramicists have been warned not to use lead, so it is not a common practice in the US. Afterall, the person most likely to get lead poisoning is the potter because they have contact with it in dust forms. According to http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fdalead.html "While adults absorb about 11 percent of lead reaching the digestive tract, children may absorb 30 to 75 percent. When lead is inhaled, up to 50 percent is absorbed, but less than 1 percent of lead is absorbed when it comes in contact with the skin." So, if there lead is present in the dinnerware, it is still a very minor risk compared to lead in other sources, like paint or soil.

Plus, when high fired opposed to low fired, the lead does not leach unless the glaze surface has been abraided. I looked at California's list of acceptable commerical brands and it was huge. I will take ceramic plates any day over plastic or other alternatives. According to http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fdalead.html, "Bolger adds that even with these pieces, risk varies. "A plate coming in brief contact with food is not an issue," he says, "but storage of food in such a bowl or pitcher is a risk." It's especially wise to avoid storing acidic foods like juice and vinegar in ceramicware, as acids promote lead leaching."
post #24 of 32
I did a google search and it looks like paint your own pottery places use lead free glaze. I will call mine to make sure. I can't imagine they would risk the liability. Whew!
post #25 of 32
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sbgrace- where did you find the anchor company dishes? I couldn't find them online. Also, what about recycled glass?
Try "Anchor Hocking Company" on google.
post #26 of 32
I am assuming that there are people (determined artists that care more about their artwork than their health) in every studio that sneak lead-glazed pieces into kilns. I found this to be true in my studio where they said not to use lead but many people still did. Therefore, I would not trust that a kiln has not been exposed to lead unless I know for sure. I also know that ceramiscists are advised not to use lead, but that one of our ceramics professors used lead (and other toxins) quite frequesntly and she died at a yound age from liver cancer. There was a huge bag of white lead just sitting (opened) in our glaze room and noone ever even had it removed. I guess the school was too cheap to hire someone to get rid of it. There were other professors who questioned the toxicity of our school's kils following her death because they knew how the toxins leached to the kils. Of course, the kils were not replaced because of the cost. As far as the studios where children can glaze ceramics and have them fired, I personally do not trust them because of what I've experienced in studios. The question I would ask (although they may not know for sure and/or lie) is, "Has anyone EVER fired a piece of pottery in this kiln that had a lead glaze?) What if they bought their kiln used (a strong possibility) and do not really know. It is something to think about. All the ceramic pieces that my DH and I have made are used for anything but food. We use the plates to sit under plants and we use the bowls to hold beads. I don't mean to sound so negative, but this has been a genuine concern of mine for quite some time.
post #27 of 32
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As far as the studios where children can glaze ceramics and have them fired, I personally do not trust them because of what I've experienced in studios. The question I would ask (although they may not know for sure and/or lie) is, "Has anyone EVER fired a piece of pottery in this kiln that had a lead glaze?) What if they bought their kiln used (a strong possibility) and do not really know. It is something to think about.
I appreciate this info, but I actually think that (especially for the big chains of places like Color Me Mine), the chances that they're buying used kilns are pretty slim. I live near a recently (1 yr ago) opened branch of that store, they use lead-free glaze and paints, and I am pretty comfortable with the idea of using things made there for food. (Though you may have got me paranoid enough to use up one of my lead swabs on it!)
post #28 of 32
I really hope that you find that it does not contain lead. I agree that there is a slim chance of a chain store buying used kilns as there would be at a mom and pop's type ceramic studio. BTW, where did you get your lead test strips? I need some of those.
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BTW, where did you get your lead test strips? I need some of those.
I bought a box of 20 online when we were testing paint in our old house. I forget where I got them but it was something like this:

http://www.healthgoods.com/Shopping/...nt_Testing.asp
post #30 of 32
Thanks, i really need to get some lead test strips. We have lived here almost a year and I know that there is lead paint everywhere. I've been worried about lead dust, but I'm even more worried about when our baby starts crawling.
post #31 of 32
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Thanks, i really need to get some lead test strips. We have lived here almost a year and I know that there is lead paint everywhere. I've been worried about lead dust, but I'm even more worried about when our baby starts crawling.
I am pretty sure you can get the test strips at any hardware store.
If your house was built before 1978, you should have your ped do lead tests at your healthy checkups. Also cleaning round windows daily/regularly or areas where the surfaces rub helps minimize lead dust. Replace any crumbling plaster. Repair peeling or flaking paint. Paint that is old and looks like an alligators back likely has lead in it. If you feel that there really is an overwhelming amount of lead in your home, you may have to have to have it removed professionally.

Sorry to hear about your professor. Hope it served as a warning to your friends that were foolish with lead. I would not consider them the norm. I know that when I took ceramics classes and mixed glazes, we (students or professor) never used lead and it was not even an option. We were also warned against eating off the pieces with cadnium in the glazes. Again, though, the big problem here with lead is not exposure to glazed pieces, but instead the health of the potter due to unnecessary exposure to lead dust.
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Sorry to hear about your professor. Hope it served as a warning to your friends that were foolish with lead. 
Yeah, it was a very quick and very sad death. She found out about the cancer and was gone within a few months. Everyone knew that the cause was most likely her exposure to the toxins that accumulated in her liver and unfortunately most people ignored it. My Dh and I, along with one professor and a few other students actually questioned the practices of the ceramic lab at the university, but as I mentioned earlier, they didn't even remove the bag of white lead. It just sat opened(and probably still sits) on the shelf in the glaze room.
My house is almost 100 years old and although most of the lead paint has been painted over, I still know it is there and there are lots of small spots that are flaking. I'd love to box up our stuff, move away for a while and have it all professionally removed, but I can't imagine the cost! Until then, I guess I do need to get in the habit of cleaning the window seals daily instead of just whenever I think about it. I need to check at Lowe's or Home Depost for some test strips, I'm sure that would be cheaper then paying the shipping online.
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