Msnbc This Morning - Page 3

[guestmama9911]

I was just coming here to post about this. Definitely voted all of the above!!

[bugmenot]

Ugh. "Yes" is winning.

And the reason most commonly given? The stupid "locker room" and "to look like his father" "reasons."

I wonder if these people plan on sitting their 13 year old circumcised sons down and explaining to them that "they're circumcised because their dad is."

Hopefully they'll have the pepto-bismol ready for when their sons puke at the thought of their dad's penises.

All of the above is also winning the "yes" side, which includes the locker room false belief.

[mntnmom]

It's disturbing that so many people are pro circ, but is it surprising?
But it is promising that this is a mainstream conversation! Where I grew up noone would DARE talk about something like this in public. How many people will atleast THINK about circ' who would have just done it because " that's what you do"?

[Storm Bride]

Originally Posted by bugmenot

Ugh. "Yes" is winning.

And the reason most commonly given? The stupid "locker room" and "to look like his father" "reasons."

I wonder if they're planning to have pubic hair transplants made, too? I've never seen a little boy's penis that looked like an adult one, circumcision status notwithstanding. What bizarre thinking.

[Prensa]

Originally Posted by A&A

"No" is down to 44%.

(If you close your browser and then re-open your browser, you can vote multiple times.)

I keep going back and forth between the voting page and this page:

http://www.tampontification.com/donate.php

I don't understand this

it is a poll, if "no" wins it doesn't mean anybody actually "wins" something

the whole point of taking a poll on a topic is to get an idea what the public views are, if one person is voting multiple times it invalidates the whole thing, doesn't it?

why would you want to do that?

(I'm genuinely asking, because I am curious.)


to me it seems like it would be more informative to actually find out that 58% (or whatever) of the people who read this article and voted at the end still believe that circumcision is the thing to do, and see what reasons they picked.

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by mntnmom

It's disturbing that so many people are pro circ, but is it surprising?
But it is promising that this is a mainstream conversation! Where I grew up noone would DARE talk about something like this in public. How many people will atleast THINK about circ' who would have just done it because " that's what you do"?

That IS a good start. Get them to question "should I really consent a doctor to put a knife to my son's penis when there's nothing wrong with it?"

If the thought crosses someone's mind, hopefully they'll research it.

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by Storm Bride

I wonder if they're planning to have pubic hair transplants made, too? I've never seen a little boy's penis that looked like an adult one, circumcision status notwithstanding. What bizarre thinking.

Those have GOT to be the top two reasons that infuriate/confound me. Little boys don't care what their dad looks like, and by the time they know what circumcision is, they could really care less what someone else has.

Just about the only time a child might care is if:
a) Their brother(s) is/are different
b) They notice that a friend is different and they ask why. I have heard stories that some kids will know the status of several of their friends, but they quickly grow out of that stage of their lives. And if they do notice (and they are at that "curiousity" age), it's usually entirely by accident and they know not to make a big scene of it.

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by Prensa

I don't understand this

it is a poll, if "no" wins it doesn't mean anybody actually "wins" something

the whole point of taking a poll on a topic is to get an idea what the public views are, if one person is voting multiple times it invalidates the whole thing, doesn't it?

why would you want to do that?

(I'm genuinely asking, because I am curious.)


to me it seems like it would be more informative to actually find out that 58% (or whatever) of the people who read this article and voted at the end still believe that circumcision is the thing to do, and see what reasons they picked.

While I don't agree with ballot stuffing, if someone sees "no" more than "yes", they may realize that "hey, not everyone is doing it after all."

(And you know the other side is stuffing these polls, but that doesn't make it ok for us to stuff.)

[dynamohumm6]

I skimmed through several pages of comments, and I have to say I'm really disturbed at the amount of really obvious fetishists that have posted. I mean, REALLY obvious. :Puke

[warrior mama]

I voted.

[Kat_shoshin]

I voted... but now that I am expecting and can topically discuss it with my friends, it disturbs me how many think that they would get it done - just because.

I make my point without being pushy - that I don't feel I have the right to cut off a piece of my son's body without his consent. Most of my friends have not had children and aren’t really thinking about these things yet; They feel that we won't be doing it because my husband is intact - but really - I don't believe in piercing a baby's ears either.

Luckily I live in Nova Scotia - the province in Canada with the lowest circ rate in the country – 1%. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/prince-edwa...ml#skip300x250

To get it done it costs over $300 and you need to do some serious planning to achieve it - very few drs. will do it and after 10lbs or 10 days it must be done under general anaesthetic in the hospital. My friends may think now that they would do it – but given the inconvenience factor it will be put to the test how badly they believe in it or not. My thoughts are – they won't bother because they just think they would out of default. Most have has more experience with circ’d penises and uncirced would be outside their realm of experience.

The article attached also shows that one province over – the rate is 33%. The difference? Price is one – the other I believe is acceptance that this is okay - normal. It's a very small province and really - it would only take one doctor to believe in it and charge so little to affect the whole provinces data in this way.

In the prenatal class I took we were told that it is risky and there are no real benefits to it. Some of the dads seemed confused and asked why it used to be done for health reasons. They were told that was based on inaccurate data and that we no longer believe that to be true. One guy kinda looked hurt. I think being told it was better for them was something they needed to believe.

53% no as of my vote.

[krankedyann]

It's currently 47/53 in favor of no-circ.

[Rhiannon Feimorgan]

Originally Posted by Kat_shoshin

Luckily I live in Nova Scotia - the province in Canada with the lowest circ rate in the country – 1%. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/prince-edwa...ml#skip300x250

Yay Nova Scotia! But last time I saw statistics, Newfoundland had a 0% Ric rate. Yes that's right, 0 baby boys were routinely circed in the last reporting year. (I don't think this takes into account religious circ or cases of some perceived pressing medical need)

That to me is great news! There are 2 provinces (3 if you count Qubec which also has realy low circ rates) where none or almost none of the new babies are mutilated!

[jessjgh1]

The scary thing about readng all the replies on the discusson secton is that it very much gives the impression that parents have to retract and clean the foreskin.

Jessica

[ramlita]

NO is up to 59%

I'm afraid to go and read the comments... I've been so blissfully unaware that fetishists actually exist

[QuietTempest]

Originally Posted by 13Sandals

i voted...the article brings up the New Zealand study - my personal pet peeve. I wrote the editor of MSNBC no less than 7 times with the link of the author's retraction - telling them to stop headlining that study..so I got to write again. the study is debunked - it should not be getting any more press. I do believe the journalists actually believe that if a study has been published, its TRUTH. They don't seem to understand that publishing only opens it up to peer review - and then follow up is needed....

anyway - I do like the way the poll is worded on the negative side - even summed up the argument that we don't cut off any other healthy body parts to prevent disease.

Can I get the link to information on the author's retraction?

[ramlita]

Yeah! I'd love to see that, too! : :

[Treece]

OK, I'm brave, um, sorta. I'm reading some of the messages posted on the Circ Poll. First of all the stupidity is mind boggling :. It justs angers me. Why do I even bother reading it? DO I think I could possibly change the mind of one fetishist? I mean what the is wrong with these people? I don't get it.

[MommytoHHH]

Voted

[memz]

Originally Posted by Rhiannon Feimorgan

That to me is great news! There are 2 provinces (3 if you count Qubec which also has realy low circ rates) where none or almost none of the new babies are mutilated!

Just wondering...Quebec is a province of canada ...i think?