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My first Stillborn  

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
Okay, this is a tough one.

the last birth I attended was stillborn.
I'm getting over it now, but still, its hard.

It was a homebirth, at the parent's choosing, without any emergency evacuation possibilty. Not that it would have helped.

After a 12 hour labour, with no real problems, and an astoundingly healthy pregnancy, the baby crowned, but took an incredible amount of pushing to get out. I've never seen one take so long, and nothing I could do helped.
Anyway, the cord was tight around the neck, and I held it off, and managed to get the baby out and untangled pretty easily, and onto her mother's breast.
I checked for reflexes, but apgars were so low, and no heartbeat. I did CPR, and suctioned fluid - she had a lot, and after a couple of minutes, her heart was beating, and she was breathing, but not strong. - about 70bpm and very slight breathing.

I kept working on her, she never really moved much, but her mother kept insisting that she had been the same when she was born (just another of MANY aspects of this woman's labour that were 'just like when I was born'), so it seemed to fit.

At some point, maybe 20 minutes, The baby was breathing on her own, and though the heartrate was low, it was steady and strong, and the parents were in that overjoyed state. We took a lot of photos, cleaned up a bit.
I kept checking the baby's vital signs...

an hour after the birth, I asked the mother how the heartbeat was, and she said 'fine', and five minutes later I checked it myself. Only there wasnt one.
I started CPR again, already knowing it was too late. After 15 minutes we let go, wrapped the body and took it to the hospital.

Our whole community in grieving, the doctor in the hospital did an examination of the body, and confirmed brain damage - the skull had moulded too much in the birth canal. The doctor assured me there was nothing we could have done, and even that she had lived for an hour was a kind of miracle.

He said there was a chance that had she been born in hospital, she might have been saved with a c-section, but nothing is sure.

Anyway, it was all over, and even though the parent's strength and trust have been inspiring to me, and having the support of a few hundred people in our community, and the "medical establishment" saying that this wansn't my fault and I did nothing wrong, etc... I still have moments of doubt.
I still grieve for this baby, while at the same time feeling blessed to have been touched by a spirit so pure that she needed just one hour on this earth to complete whatever lessons she had, and clear all her karma, or whatever, before ascending.

I had tentatively agreed to attend another birth after this one; some friends who planned to go to Cambodia for the birth. I didnt want to fully commit to attending them; the travel alone was enough to make me unsure, but I really wanted to be with them, especially as the father was present when my own daughter was born.

So after this stillbirth, I was sure they wouldnt want me to attend their birth anymore, and I wasnt even sure I wanted to do it anymore, or ever again.
but then the parents approached me and asked if I still wanted to come to Cambodia with them, they said that they were more confident than ever that I was the only one they wanted to attend their birth.

I felt so overwhelmed by it all... so, now I'm in Cambodia, preparing for another home birth!

Trust in god.

Is there a smilie that is both whimsical and melancholic at the same time?

So, I'm really writing all this to hear from other birth professionals who have dealt with the loss of a baby, and how they dealt with it.

Cheers
post #2 of 26
i cannot offer any words of similarity but thank you for sharing your story....it brought tears to my eyes.

i pray that you have a wonderful birth in cambodia. what an amazing, affirming experience it will be!
post #3 of 26
I too hope your next birth is a healing one. Hugs.
post #4 of 26
Peace and blessings to you mama....I too pray for a healing birth for you in Cambodia....be gentle with yourself.....you are amazing to do what you do.
post #5 of 26
I'm sorry for this loss.

Technically, if you don't mind...

This is not a stillbirth. A stillbirth is a baby who has no heartrate and absolutely no response at birth, even after resuscitative measures.

This baby was born alive, though unresponsive, and then died.

I don't think the cord around the neck had anything to do with the death and I really question the "too much molding" theory. Though the whys are not important here in offering support for your grief, I find it vital to offer a different opinion so when women read this they are not thinking that these are reasons why babies die at birth.

I'm very, very sorry.
post #6 of 26
Pam, thank you for your opinion. I appriciate every oppertunity to learn about all aspects of birth, including the most sorrowful possibilities.


majikfaerie, your story is touching, and I offer my deepest condolences to you as you experience the grief of this loss.
post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone.
I was thinking myself; it seems strange that a baby could die from this, unless the skull was somehow deformed or something.
In anycase, the brain was full of blood.

Its all confusing, and with the language barrier, everything gets more difficult.
It does seem strange to me that this was the Cause of Death, but I'm not about to argue with the Thai doctor.

Funnily enough, the nurse in the hospital suggested that I might be interested in working in the hospital; seems they need a midwife.
post #8 of 26
So sorry this happened to you and the family.

Were you in Thailand when this happened? What area? I'm in Bangkok and run into language barrier with the Thai docs all the time.
post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 
We were in Ranong province, on a beach just north of Kuraburi.
Now in Cambodia, all I can say is, I miss Thailand.
post #10 of 26
This is always so hard. I remember my first stillbirth like it was yesterday, and it was three years ago now.

I took care of a mama with a demise last week, and every time I do, I'm reminded so much of the tremendous responsibility in birth work: we get to be with people when they come into the world, and we can bring honor to them when they leave. So few people get to do that.

It doesn't get easy, but it gets easier. Does that make sense? Take care of yourself.
post #11 of 26
So sorry to hear about this. It is hard. I think part of standing with the parents at the door that opens into life here on earth is that you see the door opens both ways. We have to accept that, grieve fully, be joyful fully.
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by majikfaerie View Post
Thanks everyone.
I was thinking myself; it seems strange that a baby could die from this, unless the skull was somehow deformed or something.
In anycase, the brain was full of blood.

Its all confusing, and with the language barrier, everything gets more difficult.
It does seem strange to me that this was the Cause of Death, but I'm not about to argue with the Thai doctor.

Funnily enough, the nurse in the hospital suggested that I might be interested in working in the hospital; seems they need a midwife.


was the mom sick before labor?

If I needed to resuscitate a baby I would really try to get some vitamin K into the baby-- may or may not have made a difference, I don't know.
take care
post #13 of 26
post #14 of 26

life and death in the real world

Thank you for sharing your story.. If one chooses to handle the wonders of birth, then one must be prepared to experience loss as well. I was at a birth of twins where the 2nd twin died about 6 hours after her birth.. I will never ever forget the look in that baby's eyes. I have relived that day countless times but the baby is still gone and I can't fix it now as I couldn't prevent it then. Please.. allow yourself to grieve and then allow yourself to heal and go on. Sometimes birth ends in death, and we have no controll over this and sometimes there is no "reason". From my experience, if there was truly blood in the brain, then there was some kind of brain trauma, and as there was no reason for trauma (forcepts or vacuum extraction), Perhaps there was an underlying defect in the brain or brain stem..All things way beyond our elusive controll.. Allow yourself to assist in another birth..you will find it profoundly healing..With love..
post #15 of 26
I'm not a MW but my firstborn did not live long, about as long as the baby you helped deliver. 11 years later, I am at peace with the birth. I know that my son was brought into the world in a gentle and compassionate environment, and my MW offered me great comfort when ds died. She told me, "You have experienced the cycle of motherhood... the joy and the grief, all in such a short time." I am so thankful that she validated that birth and my baby, and have carried those words with me ever since. You all do a great service for so many women, and it is a sorrowful truth that not all babies born into this world stay with us for long. I am sorry for your experience, but do wish that you can find peace with the situation.
post #16 of 26
I think I can understand where you are coming from.
I have been to a stillbirth, one that nothing could have predicted or changed. The next birth was scary- learning to trust again- and very healing. And it took place the same day as the memorial for the previous baby. I had the privilage to attend both in one day. The circle continues. We provide care and compassion along the way to the best of our abilities.
post #17 of 26
Thread Starter 
Hi
Thanks for all your comforting words.

The lucky thing is that the baby was born on a community (rainbow gathering), and the whole community came together to make a memorial.
It was so beautiful.
Some people wove a big basket in the shape of a swan out of a coconut palm frond, and built a big raft out of bamboo. then everyone filled the basket with gifts and offerings, prayers and wishes, then put the basket on the raft. Everyone carried the raft and made a big march from the main fire along the beach to the place where the baby was born, singing all the way.
Then we made a circle around the raft, and sang and prayed. Some people went around the circle giving fruits and water, we lit candles, and some people read poems, songs and prayers. then a group of people carried the raft and swam with it far out to sea.

it was so beautiful, a mass outpouring of emotion; about 150 people participated.

It was so healing; to be surrounded by loving 'family', and being able to stay in our own space in paradise, rather than being in the city and having to deal with beaureacracy.
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post #19 of 26
This is my biggest fear. I'm starting doula training this summer and then going on to be a midwife, and I need to accept that these things do happen- out of the hospital, as well as in the hospital.
post #20 of 26
I hope it doesn't upset you too much majikfaerie that I bring up this thread again. It must have caused you many doubts I can imagine but I'm sure you also learned from it in many ways.

You said the pushing phase was very long from crowning until the baby was out. Do you remember how long that was?

Would you do anything different now if you were attending another birth with a long pushing phase like this? Like constantly try to monitor the heartrate or something?

I suppose after experience something like this, it gets easier to understand how people came up with all the interventions. :/
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