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post #521 of 598
Hey all.. being random here I guess..... but as I read through the thread I realize a few phrases that most of us use. They are "part" "half" "1/4", especially the "part". We say we are part Indian, or part Native American. I used to do this all the time & still catch myself sometimes! Shoot, I may have even written that in my first post here! Well I remember someone saying to me a long time ago after I said I was part Cherokee, and they asked "which part? Your nose, your hand, your foot?" This was said in good humor, but they had a good point. All down the list I was saying I "am" German, Irish, etc.... until I got to the NA, then I was "part". I've come to realize that we have been trained to say that over the generations & it's wrong. We are not part anything, we are ALL..... we are all of whatever blood runs through our veins no matter what nationality it may be and no matter how many nationalities. After all Native American's are the only nationality to have a blood quantum. This was part of the genocide inflicted by the government (really, think about it) to try to get rid of us along with the reservations & it's still working today. We don't even realize that we are doing it..... like I said I too am guilty of this still, even after I learned about my culture (well I'm still learning ). Here is a quote which I've heard many times & it is soooo true:
"Indian blood is like gold....... No matter how thinly it is spun It still shines just as brightly."
post #522 of 598
Save Bear Butte!!!

Sign the petition - hurry, deadline is June 30th
post #523 of 598
We have a pow wow in Pomona. This has passed but maybe for next year: http://www.costanoanrumsen.org/powwow.html

It's a great time. Both ds and dd loved the music and got some jewelery. As they grow, I'd like to impart more than shopping to them (the are 3 and 4 now).
post #524 of 598
Is it looked down upon when an NDN man falls for a woman not from his Nation?

Ok, this might seem like an odd post, but I think this is the best place for it. I'm writing a novel and I really wanted to have one of my characters be Native American. However, I feel as though something is holding me back from doing this for two reasons. The man I wanted to be NDN is going to fall in love with the main character who is blonde, therefore white. His family is sort of against it, but he has to walk his own path regardless and she seems to be on it. I don't want to disrespect anyone and I have a feeling that no matter which Nation or Nations I have him come from, the fact that he ends up with a 'white girl' is disrespectful (I come from an Italian family and the fact that I didn't marry Italian was BAD. I married NDN ).

I also wanted to highlight the positive effects that Native gaming is having on many Nations, however I still feel as though something is not wanting me to do this.

My intentions are to highlight Native gaming, the positive effects, inform my readers about different Nations, people living everyday lives in everyday America, and being from a rich and vibrant NDN culture. The setting is Southern California and I wanted to include the Pechanga Nation and their casino in Temecula and have my character be of mixed blood with possibly Dine or Hopi and Ojibwe (now, how his family got to SoCal is still up in the air). But I'm not sure if this is at all plausible.

And, like I said, every time I start doing research or writing it feels 'wrong'. I want my book to be respectful and correct.

Is it looked down upon when an NDN man falls for a woman not from his Nation?

His name was going to be Nikishna "Nik" or Nez.

I want my readers to learn about NDN culture and traditions through the storyline and I want to do it in a respectful way. He was going to be an environmentalist Urban Indian.

any thoughts? I really appreciate any responses.
post #525 of 598
Hi all,

I'm Choctaw (Oklahoma), married to a husband that is Oklahoma Cherokee/Colville. Like many others, we reject the idea of blood quantum. We attend some inter-tribal events & travel to attend Cherokee ceremonies once or twice a year.

We've got a couple of long-haired boys (7 & 5) and a fost/adopt daughter that was placed with us through my tribe.
post #526 of 598
welcome!
post #527 of 598
Has anyone ever read Sherman Alexie's essay "I Hated Tonto (Still Do)". It's well written and makes some excellant points. I've been studying, and trying to fight, stereotypical images (especially in children's education) for many years, but it's difficult to make much headway. This is all particularly on my mind right now because my boys are in cub scouts. It's exhausting trying to educate the boys scouts of america on things they'd already know if they'd been listening to the complaints that they've gotten for many, many years.Our scout leader is good and responds when I mention something...but it would be nice if she'd do a little bit of research and know some of what will be a problem BEFORE presenting it to the kids. Guess I can't win them all...
post #528 of 598
i love Sherman Alexie. i had a History of the West class in JC and we read "Indian Killer"....been a fan ever since.
and i really enjoyed that article...
post #529 of 598
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Is it looked down upon when an NDN man falls for a woman not from his Nation?
I'm feeling like a dolt, what's NDN?
post #530 of 598
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Originally Posted by heket View Post
I'm feeling like a dolt, what's NDN?
it's lolspeak for Indian.
post #531 of 598
so...what's going on in everyones' worlds?
post #532 of 598
not a damn thing. my baby finally fell asleep. : so i've got that going for me
post #533 of 598
so what are you guys thoughts on appropriation of Native culture? like weekend vision quests, psuedo-shamans, blessingways as baby showers, that sort of thing. i found this neat link and it got me wondering what your thoughts were:
http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com...es/native.html
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post #535 of 598
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Originally Posted by bellymama View Post
so what are you guys thoughts on appropriation of Native culture? like weekend vision quests, psuedo-shamans, blessingways as baby showers, that sort of thing. i found this neat link and it got me wondering what your thoughts were:
http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com...es/native.html
This New Age thing is not Native American Spirituality at all. NA Spirituality is based on a personal spiritual experience and relationship that you cannot buy. IMO these people are just like some of the Christians that demand you are 'born again' or your not the right kind of Christian. That has nothing to do with it, but they create all kinds of rules and you have to belong to their church or you aren't a real believer. I think every religion/spirituality will always have some group that uses it to gain $/power since there are always people who will be lost spiritually and if they find a connection, they'll pay for it. People in general are really lost. They have no connection to eachother or the Earth or to the Creator. I don't agree with these faux-shamans, but when there is a need, people will always try to make a buck.

I deleted my other response since it had more to do with independence rather than spirituality.
post #536 of 598
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Originally Posted by blueeyes View Post
Hey all.. being random here I guess..... but as I read through the thread I realize a few phrases that most of us use. They are "part" "half" "1/4", especially the "part". We say we are part Indian, or part Native American. I used to do this all the time & still catch myself sometimes! Shoot, I may have even written that in my first post here! Well I remember someone saying to me a long time ago after I said I was part Cherokee, and they asked "which part? Your nose, your hand, your foot?" This was said in good humor, but they had a good point. All down the list I was saying I "am" German, Irish, etc.... until I got to the NA, then I was "part". I've come to realize that we have been trained to say that over the generations & it's wrong. We are not part anything, we are ALL..... we are all of whatever blood runs through our veins no matter what nationality it may be and no matter how many nationalities. After all Native American's are the only nationality to have a blood quantum. This was part of the genocide inflicted by the government (really, think about it) to try to get rid of us along with the reservations & it's still working today. We don't even realize that we are doing it..... like I said I too am guilty of this still, even after I learned about my culture (well I'm still learning ). Here is a quote which I've heard many times & it is soooo true:
"Indian blood is like gold....... No matter how thinly it is spun It still shines just as brightly."
: Couldn't have said it better.

I have a hard time with this too and DH, but we are getting better. He is not 100% anything, like myself, however his NDN roots is very obvious in his eyes. Other people say that he looks Chinese since his eyes have a slant, but there is no Chinese in his background. DH wasn't raised to relate to any of his roots, but we're slowly changing that. He actually the other day said that no, it's not Chinese and that he's part NDN. That to me doesn't sound negative because he's accepting/understanding that part of him. I think he says that since there is so much he doesn't understand yet.
post #537 of 598
specifically, what are your guys thoughts on Blessingways as the new baby shower. i have been researching this phenomena a lot this year, and although this New Age Blessingway/baby shower, shares very little with the Dineh ritual it's name is taken from, all the sources i have found credit this new tradition as being "borrowed" from "a native american tradition" ( guess it's too much trouble to state which one)....i personally have a big problem with it, as do most of the native's i have talked to personally about it. what are your thoughts? if you are interested in discussing this topic more, i have a thread elsewhere on MDC discussing it, so pm me for the link. i don't think we are allowed to link threads on other threads.
post #538 of 598
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i don't think we are allowed to link threads on other threads.
sure we are! what's the link?
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post #540 of 598
Hello, I'm jumping in if for no reason other to bump this thread.
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