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post #41 of 65
Why is a shot record a form of identification? It doesn't prove the kid is who you say they are. What if I had someone else's shot record? Couldn't a doctor's note do the same thing?
post #42 of 65
Wow, this is scary. What business is it of the SSA what anyone's child's vax status is. But of course they make it the business of everyone to make sure all the 'noncompliant' parents get badgered into seeing things their way.

Amazing the vastly different expereinces people have had. It seems to depend on the personality and mood of the person at the SSA that day!

For us the tricky part was getting the birth certificate for a homebirth w/ a non-cnm, but *fortunately* you just check off on that form that you are also applying for SSN and both get done automatically. So once you're through the birth cert. hassle it's all done.
post #43 of 65
Heavy sarcasm to follow:

That's ok, it's just going to be SOOO much easier when they start injecting a SSN ID chip into the baby right after birth..for proof of who they are, ya know...and then we can just 'store' the vaccine information on that chip too, just so you don't have to remember if dear baby has all the necessary shots.....and while we're at it...let's add in some other personal info...


I did a UC home birth, but my MW was 'on location'. She just had me check the box when she sent in the birth certificate application, to include a SSN. No problems.

I refused Vit K, eye drops, the PKU prick test, et all. No vaccines. 10/10 APGAR

I did get a bit of grief when I applied to have our newest baby get his own life insurance policy (so that he's got it for when he turns 21, regardless of his health down the road).

The underwriter phone survey lady was : when she asked how long was his hospital stay, and I said 0 days.

Well, when was his last doct. appt.? Uhm, he's not seen the ped. yet, he's not sick.

Ok, then who was the last person to 'check' him, and I said, my midwife checked up on us around 4 weeks....and he was doing just great. Fat, happy baby!

Watch, I'll get some form in the mail saying I have to have him seen by a 'real' doctor before they can issue him a policy...this after having driven an hour to our insurance agent, and having to sit there for almost 2 hours doing paperwork with 3 children with me....

Really, a SSN is supposed to be for when you get a job. But they are using it for everything.
post #44 of 65
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Originally Posted by xenabyte
Really, a SSN is supposed to be for when you get a job. But they are using it for everything.
Totally. I really really resent having a SSN and wish to heck that DS didn't have one. It's a really long story why I let it happen, but I'm kicking myself.

I just hope at a minimum that he never pays a dime into it. :

I'm really with them. My statement this year says that I'm not entitled to the money I've paid in previously, because I don't have enough working credits in the last 5 years!!! So they seems to be stealing from SAHMs. Well, unless you eventually get your lazy bonbon-eating fat a** back to paying taxes one of these days.

It's genius for them too, because avoiding payouts to those who haven't worked recently weeds out those who have been sick too, and would likely require the most payments. :

Hey, the thought just struck me, is it possible to get out of the SSA once you're issued a #? Or are you in forever?? I mean, it started out a "voluntary" system (you know, like vaccines ), and now I've basically lost everything I've paid into it... So why keep it? Anyone know?
post #45 of 65
The same thing happened to me when I tried to replace Benji's SS card after he got ahold of it and destroyed it. Well, except my SS lady wouldn't accept the birth certificate at all, she wouldn't even look at it, she said she needed the shot record "as proof for him." Proof of WHAT???? What does it prove?? Nothing!!!
post #46 of 65
when we applied for DS social security card all we had was the birth cert saying he was born at home. had never even been to a doc.
post #47 of 65
Because they made it mandatory when filing for taxes, most of us have to get the darn things early. My mom didn't get ours until I was 16... That's when they started requiring it for taxes I guess.
post #48 of 65
They are not "forcing you to get vaccinations." What they need is a proof that the child EXISTS. A doctor's record is the best proof of this, and 99% of children have shot records, so that's what they asked you for. A signed note on doctor's letterhead or some sort of medical record should work just as well as the vax letter. Oy vey.
post #49 of 65
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Originally Posted by talk de jour View Post
They are not "forcing you to get vaccinations." What they need is a proof that the child EXISTS. A doctor's record is the best proof of this, and 99% of children have shot records, so that's what they asked you for. A signed note on doctor's letterhead or some sort of medical record should work just as well as the vax letter. Oy vey.
Duuude. No one has said a thing about forcing vaccinations.

Some peope here have had the unpleasant experience of encountering some discrimination when trying to get a SSN for their vax-free child.

Additionally, many of us think it's really stupid to use a vax record or letterhead as an identifier, seeing as I could walk into a ped's office right now and grab one to forge. There is nothing official about a vax record. It's far from "the best proof" that a child exists. I birth certificate would get the top spot on that list. Why aren't they asking me for my vax record when I get a passport or driver's license if it's the best proof that I exist?



Why on earth is a medical record suddenly a suitable form of identification? If you went for a driver's license and they asked you for your latest pap results as an identifier, what would you say? Would you be happy to bring in a signed letter from your gyn if you don't do paps?
post #50 of 65
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Originally Posted by talk de jour View Post
They are not "forcing you to get vaccinations." What they need is a proof that the child EXISTS. A doctor's record is the best proof of this, and 99% of children have shot records, so that's what they asked you for. A signed note on doctor's letterhead or some sort of medical record should work just as well as the vax letter. Oy vey.

Why is a drs note of vax record better proof than a state issued birth certificate? Why would my dr be more trustworthy than the state gov't?
post #51 of 65
I know they say the birth certificate actually isn't proof of identity.

I think typical proof of identity includes a photograph. But babies don't usually have this type of identification, so they need to accept something else.

What I don't understand is why the vax record is, at some offices, the only "identification" they can take (or claim they can take) - or why it's a proof of identity in the first place.

Assuming I stole or falsified the birth certificate, couldn't I just as easily do that with a shot record? What about a doctor seeing a baby is proof that the baby is who I say it is? When I took my baby to see the doctor, I just filled in her name on the form - they didn't need to see a birth certificate or other records proving she was who I said. Well, I suppose, for me, the insurance records were part of that proof, though not everyone has insurance.

I guess what I really don't understand is why it supposedly, at some offices anyway, HAS to be a shot record and not just any health record. And I want to know what the alternative is for a baby who hasn't seen a doctor, and why seeing a doctor is really that great identification.
post #52 of 65
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Originally Posted by aira View Post
Duuude. No one has said a thing about forcing vaccinations.
Oh, really?? See below.

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Originally Posted by aira View Post
Would you be happy to bring in a signed letter from your gyn if you don't do paps?
Yeah, I would, and I don't see what the big deal is. I can just as well as you can

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Originally Posted by laohaire View Post
So, around here apparently you have to have vaccinations to have a social security card. What freaking idiots.
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Originally Posted by jeanine123 View Post
Why is a drs note of vax record better proof than a state issued birth certificate? Why would my dr be more trustworthy than the state gov't?
So the state government is trustworthy when it issues that li'l piece of paper, but not when they mandate vaxes, SSNs, etc., etc....??

And, again, you can order a BC through mail, or forge one. SSNs require that the child has actually been SEEN, alive. Now, of course you could falsify a vax record (or medical record, or dr.'s note), but it creates a way to contact the doctor whose practice it is from and see if that child was actually seen if you were to come under suspicion for some reason.
post #53 of 65
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Originally Posted by talk de jour View Post
So the state government is trustworthy when it issues that li'l piece of paper, but not when they mandate vaxes, SSNs, etc., etc....??

And, again, you can order a BC through mail, or forge one. SSNs require that the child has actually been SEEN, alive. Now, of course you could falsify a vax record (or medical record, or dr.'s note), but it creates a way to contact the doctor whose practice it is from and see if that child was actually seen if you were to come under suspicion for some reason.
And do you really think the drs office remembers each and every child they see? I've been to a few where they didn't know me or my kids for a hole in the wall. Especially after just one visit. Seems to me it'd be far easier to forge a vax record or a drs letterhead than a county or state issued birth certificate. Does the local Social Security office have the name of every dr on file as well as a copy of their letterhead to verify it's accurate? After all, a county/state issued birth certificate is pretty standardized. My two boys were born in different counties in the same state and other than the county name at the top of the birth certificate it's exactly the same, watermark and all. Something's pretty darned corny if the federal gov't is more likely to trust the letterhead or vax record of some drs office than an official document issued by the state IMO.
post #54 of 65
Since my local social security office would not offer me an alternative to a shot record for acceptable identification, I would say that was something along the lines of pressure to vaccinate. Probably more like just trying to make me regret falling out of line rather than a real attempt to get me to vaccinate. Of course, this thread has already discussed a workaround (a blank shot record).

I just think it's frustrating, is all.
post #55 of 65
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Originally Posted by jeanine123 View Post
And do you really think the drs office remembers each and every child they see? I've been to a few where they didn't know me or my kids for a hole in the wall. Especially after just one visit. Seems to me it'd be far easier to forge a vax record or a drs letterhead than a county or state issued birth certificate. Does the local Social Security office have the name of every dr on file as well as a copy of their letterhead to verify it's accurate? After all, a county/state issued birth certificate is pretty standardized. My two boys were born in different counties in the same state and other than the county name at the top of the birth certificate it's exactly the same, watermark and all. Something's pretty darned corny if the federal gov't is more likely to trust the letterhead or vax record of some drs office than an official document issued by the state IMO.

Helloo, are you forgetting the concept of medical records? Those huge banks of folders they have for EVERY patient going back 5-10 yrs?
post #56 of 65
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Originally Posted by talk de jour View Post
Helloo, are you forgetting the concept of medical records? Those huge banks of folders they have for EVERY patient going back 5-10 yrs?

What do medical records have to do with this conversatoin? What drs office includes a photo of the patient in their medical records? It sure would have to be updated pretty often that first year or so. Maybe my kids are missing out by not having to get their mug shots taken at every drs visit.....

And why have medical records now entered the conversation? Is the SSA asking for them now as proof a child exists and is who his parent says he is? Seems to me that would be quite a large violation of HIIPA.
post #57 of 65
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Originally Posted by jeanine123 View Post
And why have medical records now entered the conversation? Is the SSA asking for them now as proof a child exists and is who his parent says he is? Seems to me that would be quite a large violation of HIIPA.
Because asking for a shot record is asking for a medical record. And that was my point - it's a huge violation, and I have an awful lot of trouble believing anyone would be forthcoming with their own medical information if asked for it as proof of identity.

For some reason people seem to think that vaccine records are outside of this scope. (I have even seen mothers waving them around proudly at the park after a ped visit, like a badge of honor.) Maybe lots of people have forgotten vaccine records are no more a proper or valid form of identification than, say, the records of my treatment after a car accident. I'm sure that if I showed you, you could match up the documented injuries with my scars and would conclude it's actually me. But it's still nobody's business.
post #58 of 65
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Originally Posted by talk de jour View Post
Helloo, are you forgetting the concept of medical records? Those huge banks of folders they have for EVERY patient going back 5-10 yrs?
Right - and a medical record is identification in what way? Unless you are the only person in the country with your name and no one else has ever stolen your identity or lived before you with the same name, a medical record is not proof of anything, other than that someone who claimed to be named talk de jour received treatment from Dr. Vaxalot. Not sure what's so difficult to grasp about that.
post #59 of 65
WTF? DD has had a SS card since she was born and has never received a single vax. In the state where I lived at the time (MS), when you applied for a birth certificate while in the hospital, it automitically applied you for a SS card.
post #60 of 65
Yes, when you give birth in a hospital. But if you give birth at home the paperwork isn't automatically done for you, you need to do it yourself, hence the PITA hassles some people have faced.
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