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Originally Posted by barefoot mama 
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That's WONDERFUL!!! ANd the kinder you are to yourself, of course the mroe other people will be kind to you too. (Hmmm...I think I needed to hear myself saying that....

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Originally Posted by KoalaMama 
And wow on your boy. Can you work with him to come up with a visualization process for rebooting? Maybe he just needs to imagine what he's saying needs to happen. Also, maybe work on reinforcing the idea that we all have a huge range of feelings, and that nothing is good or bad - it just is. Hmmm... maybe even a little talk about observing the feeling from a distance, and realizing emotions are things we hold onto but can also let go of? I'll have to think on how this might translate to kids. But maybe the example about holding and releasing the pen on the Sedona site would work well! Just have him hold and drop all kinds of things and talk about how emotions can be like that too. (Ramble, ramble... I hope something here sparks an idea for you.) 
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Right now he's saying that all of this stuff doesn;t work, that he doesn;t believe in energy medicine, in the LoA, etc. I think that really means "I'm afraid it won't work," "I'm afraid it will work," and "I don't want to know becasue it wasn't my idea in the first place."
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Originally Posted by Amris 
Barefoot mama, great job, dear one! 
catgirl.
This is what I would do, personally. Take what you like of it, and leave the rest.
I would sit ds down and tell him, "Do you know what my purpose is in your life, dear? I am your teacher. It's my job to help you understand the laws of the Universe, like Law of Attraction.
"There's also another important law. It's called "The Law of Right Action." It is my job to teach you this law, also. And one part of this law is teaching you how your actions and desires effect others.
"I am to teach you how to have healthy partnerships with other people. Part of that means that I have to give you instructions, and ask for your obedience at times. When I ask you to do something, and you honestly feel that there is genuinely a better way, will you reason together with me, rather than simply being disobedient?
"I am working very hard to be a good teacher to you. But in order to do that, I'm afraid there will be times that I will ask you to do things. There are things that you need to know, that I will be negligent if I don't teach you.
"Remember how you keep comparing yourself to a computer? Well, have you ever noticed that when you run a scandisk, you can repair damaged sectors of the hard drive? I know of some ways to run a scandisk on you, and repair those sectors that you feel are damaged. But the thing is... I have to have your cooperation. That means you will need to be obedient in some things, and you will have to reason together with me regarding other things.
"Are you ready to do that? Because I cannot just allow you to do anything at all that you want... some of what you want effects others in your life. But together, if you work WITH me, we can heal your damaged sectors and we can learn together how to follow the Law of Right Action."
Then, learn and apply EFT to him.
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This makes a lot of sense to me. While I have great respect (and I really do mnean that) for those who do the RU/CL thing 100%, I personally am not 100% comfortable with it, for reasons which make sense to me, and I feel I've got to give him the best of what *I* am, IYKWIM. I think part of the issue for me right now is that things are changing and that's unsettling for both of us. He's thinking "maybe if i can run piano practice, I can run everything else as well and have things exactly as I want them," and I'm thinking, "this is getting out of control, I'm not sure where I want to draw the line, and I'm ready to move it to a certain extent, but I also co-parent with someone who's coming at it from a different angle and also doesn't spend hours reading and thinking about parenting and learning the stuff I learn that way. And I also want him to be able to function in a larger world where he'll have to deal with things not always being as he wants them" - something which comes up every time we leave the house. I want him to be able to be flexible enough to take advantage of opportunites to interact with others in enriching ways, like the chamber music festival.
I know the best thing to do is keep up "Dh and I are perfect partners in parenting" and "We are finding a solution that makes everyone 100% happy."
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Originally Posted by captain crunchy 
Catgirl, perhaps consider that while you may not be ready for radical unschooling, your son is presenting a need to you -- he is asking you to help meet that need. Now of course part of the philosophy of consensual living which I hold dear is that both parties must be consenting. You are not agreeable with radical unschooling, he clearly is not agreeable when he feels *controlled*. How can both of your needs get met? How can you work together to reach solutions which leave you both feeling heard and respected and comfortable? A good place to begin is maybe asking him what a day in his very own life would look like... ask him to tell you as if you have no *control* over what he is doing or not doing --- it may surprise you, he may only say a couple things which wouldn't be agreeable to you... every single thing he says may be not agreeable, in which case a conversation of why you don't feel agreeable as well as getting to the bottom of why you aren't agreeable (within yourself) could help...
He loves computers... ask him to type a list of all the things he would do with his day if he was the only one deciding --- make it known you just want to discuss the list, not that this is the way it is going to be  then work together to come to solutions ---
With anything you choose, I wish you and your ds peace and harmony 
Tara
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Yeah, this makes sense....we did do this today actually. He said he wanted to write a play and dance to a math CD so we did that. I wanted exercise so we went for a bike ride. He wanted to buy some pants to replace some worn out ones that he loved - but when we got to the mall and I wouldn't immediately look at the (expensive) ones he thought he wanted he got very angry and unpleasant. That's where I personally draw the line - if I'm going to take you to do something you want to do, then don't make nasty faces and blow raspberries at me when it's not exactly how you like it. That makes me feel disrespected and less like helping you out and figuring out what you want.
I also want him to learn that a) you can choose how to feel and how to react, and b) that what you do affects other people, you're not operating in a vaccuum, and that being pleasant to be around tends to create a nicer reality for you in the long run.
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Originally Posted by KoalaMama 
mama_b...  I will just repeat what I said above. Our kids love us, and they understand. 
Penny... I just called Holosync and asked about transfering to an MP3 player. They said that you'd need to transfer in AIFF or WAV format for sure, but she still couldn't guarantee that it wouldn't lose some effectiveness. She said they do have ppl that use it that way, but the only way they guarantee it is straight from the disk. I guess I'll try doing this with the sample CD and see if it feels any different when listening to it.
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Thanks for the info! I can't wait for mine to arrive!
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Originally Posted by mamatanya 
I'm not sure that I follow this exactly but I feel like your answer is in what you just said. It's very important to him that it can't be fixed. So can you let him know that you will love him broken? Sometimes it has to be ok to be broken/bad/whatever negative, before a person can let go of that idea/title and accept something else.
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Absolutely, and I made sure I told him that. It was jsut very sad to me. And scary, too, to be hnest. My older brother committed suicide when I was 15 and he was 20. Ben is like him in some ways - very intense and with many of the same interests - but at the same time he was born so solid and grounded. As a baby, he seemed - from the minute he was born - to be so comfortable in his own skin and so self-posessed. I really feel a bit at sea here becasue it seems so at odds with how I've always seen him.
I did actually manifest some LoA parenting advice at the library today. I ran into his drama teacher from pre-school - a lovely woman who adores him (she still comes to his recitals) and really "gets" him. I was saying that I really want to get to the bottom of "all this" and she said, no, don't look at it that way, jsut envision him whole and all the aprts workign together - mind, body and spirit! I really needed to hear that right then and it was very ironic, because I ran into her there just last week and told her about The Secret and the LoA!!! (She hasn't seen it yet, but she's the kind of person who would "get it".)
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Originally Posted by jordmoder 
Penny, my (7.5) yo ds also speaks in very deep analogies (right now, he's in 1st grade and has come up with the understanding that "he has too many points" to fit in the "circles" the other children do ... we're working on what other kind of "schooling" will be best for him) and your struggles so resonate with me. We've also just discovered "The Edison Trait: Saving the Spirit of Your Free-Thinking Child in a Conforming World" by Lucy Palladino which may or may not be insightful for you.
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I love that book! That's my ds! Wait a minute...what's the name of the one by thom Hartmann
Oh God. This post was interrrupted right here by the sound of dh and ds screaming at each other at the tops of their voices. Dh was angry, ds was beside himself. I went and calmly asked what was going on. I actually asked dh first (and predictably still got accused by him of taking sides). Ds wanted to talk to me alone, dh said no, that was undercutting him (although I knew that ds jsut wanted to feel safe). I went to talk to dh and locked the door. Ds started trying to break it down. I told him that he was welcome to set the timer and come back in 5 minutes - which he did. I pointed out to dh that that was a much better life lesson than us screaming at him. The whole time I was trying to model being calm and respectful to EVERYONE. Ds then came back (still very angry), told us what bad parents we were, and suggested that if he talked to dh alone first, then he be allowed to talk to me afterwards. I thought this was a great solution. Dh agreed to it. That's what they're doing. My Mom is saying plaintively that she thinks she's in the doghouse because ds wouldn't talk to her just now (she always thinks everything is her fault). They're all so BLOODY EXHAUSTING.

Honestly, I'm so happy for those of you who don't have these issues, but reading these posts about happy husbands and joyful co-parenting just make me want to bawl.
Anothr interruption....
So they finally made up...but not before dh had told me that ds is so like me, that I'm with ds 85% of the time, that ds's issues are therefore much more to do with me than him - in other words, "it's really your fault." This after I'd watched him trying to make ds laugh, and ds getting angrier and angrier again as a result becasue this (laughing in spitie of himself) was clearly making him feel out of control again. I feel completely drained. I would have so much more time and energy for other stuff if I didn't feel like I was swimming uphill through murk all the time. At least I didn't lose my temper....
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Originally Posted by whimsy 
I gotta learn more about this....
One of the most painfull lessons we teach our children is that sometimes people who love each other unintentionally hurt each other. It doesn't mean they don't love each other. It means they made a mistake. And we apologize when we do that and try to make it better if possible.
This is really an important lesson in interpersonal relationships. If we were "perfect" parents, it would actually hurt our children!
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Originally Posted by KateSt. 
I find these both so beautiful and comforting. Esp the 51% one, 'cause I do know I'm making better percentages than that. 
And you know what else? WE'RE ALL AWESOME MAMAS!!!!!!!!!!!
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I find it very comforting to know I'm not the only one here who's yelled!
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Originally Posted by WuWei 
There is an old saying:
"Once you have tasted freedom, there is no going back!"
I would seek to reflect about 'what are my fears?'. And try to release them, in order that all of your needs can be held together, without the what if's that controlling another attempts to avoid.
I trust that we each have our own path, none is the teacher of what is right for another. I trust that by choosing to relate to others without fear that our needs are in conflict, it opens us to solutions which address both of our needs. It isn't necessary to control others in an effort to get them to do the "right" thing, because their path is not our own. I desire for a non-adversarial partnership as a trusted adviser, which depends upon the "authority" of my wisdom, not obedience or compliance. I believe that cooperation can be engaged to solve shared problems. And that I am not the authority for another's life. I don't believe that anyone *has to* do anything they don't want to do, and this is how I choose to honor everyone autonomy over their own lives.
There are solutions which manifest without compulsion or control of others. Be open to observing, connecting and reflecting, instead of feeling that you have to determine the "how" to make it all work. This space will help to open up the possibilities, when we aren't directing the solution.
There is plenty of time! All is well.
Pat
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: to all that. It's jsut it's easier if both parents are swimming in that direction. Don't get me wrong. Dh is a terrific guy. I was not surprised that, for example, he made that decision about keeping his promise to ds (I was more surprised that he found a solution that worked for both of them). I just find it all so tiring.
OK, I've learned before that maybe I shouldn't post these stories when I'm right in the thick of it, becasue then people think I feel like this all the time. On the other hand, it helps to vent. Thank you for being here!
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move 
I cannot believe how many of us are decluttering this week! 
We should keep talking about how great it is to declutter so that we can keep each other's buzz going.  I want all the things that we are finished with out of our lives. I want to release it because I know that it will open up space in our lives for new things, and that it will give me more time. For me because everything we keep I have to unpack in a couple of weeks and then find a home for, but I think that clutter eats away at everyone's time by making it hard to find the things we want and making it hard to keep our homes clean. Clutter makes it hard to be patient with our kids.
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Absolutely! I'm really into decluttering for the first time in my life! I love it!!
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I started on this path the first of Dec, and my DH joined me around the end of Dec. The most amazing thing that I manifested at first was happiness, the simple ability to enjoy my life and let go of the past. I was clinically depressed when I started loa so curing myself without meds was huge. |
I must have missed that! Congratulations - that's huge!!
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Originally Posted by Annikate 
Look at this beautiful (and timely) email message that I got from dh this morning!: 
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That's wonderful!! I think I'll keep this as an example of what I'm intending to manifest!!
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