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post #261 of 787
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Originally Posted by Amris View Post
What would you expect your husband to do if you were assaulting him?

Honest question. How do you think it should be handled when someone is assaulting you?

We're not talking about a child having a tantrum on the ground here, he is assaulting her. We're not talking about some yelling. We're talking physical attacks with FULL and very REAL desire and intent to inflict physical harm.

If you were attacking your husband, what should he do?

I understand that being locked into a room would be pretty unpleasant. But basically, when you assault someone with intent to harm and injure them... what do you expect to happen?

By all rights, if you attack your husband, if he locks you into a room, you'd be lucky because if he fights back, you could very well end up horribly injured. It is not just for his safety, but for yours, as well.

When being assaulted, normal people go into fight or flight reflex. And THEY have a high possibility of losing control. As happened in this case... she lost control in response to his loss of control.

Were this two adults, it could easily have descended into an all-out brawl.
Well, if this were really a case of me being physically out of control and trying to harm my husband, then I would expect him to leave. I wouldn't think he should do anything other than get himself to a safe place. I don't see how physically restraining me or locking me in a room would be necessary.

It is a bit different with children because we can't really just leave the house and walk away from them. Ultimately, I think Penny's choice to hold her son's hands and try to talk him down feels like the best course of action to me. I would also support the idea of putting distance between yourself and the child by removing yourself to another room. But it still feels really uncomfortable to me to lock anyone in a room.

I also think there's a bit of a difference between reasonable expectations of children and adults. My overall reaction toward a child that is out of control and physical would be much different than the idea of the same actions from my husband. Not that I'm suggesting it is ever ok to hit or use physical harm, but if my daughter kicks me I know it is about a lack of control and related to her age. If my husband kicked me... well, we wouldn't be married any longer.
post #262 of 787
Amris we are never going to agree on this.
post #263 of 787
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Originally Posted by Amris View Post
We're talking physical attacks with FULL and very REAL desire and intent to inflict physical harm.
I don't think we can assume that catgirls ds had a desire and intent to inflict physical harm, he is a child not an adult. Kids get overloaded with emotions that cause them to act out without specific intent to harm.
post #264 of 787
I stated I was done, and I am done.

So can we drop it yet and get back to the real purpose of the thread already?
post #265 of 787
Amris I'm not sure what is coming up here for you, but I don't think there needs to be winners and losers and right and wrong.
post #266 of 787
OT again -

I manifested a way to put my pp button on my site! whoohoo! Thanks celesterra for helping me but I manifested an even easier way!


Now, in a day or two I'm going to have more great manifesting news for you all!

post #267 of 787
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Originally Posted by catgirl View Post
And also, people were constantly commenting when he was little, and it's still true now when he's OK - he's just the happiest kid! He bounces around and sings and enjoys himself - when he's being his happy self. He has an enormous enthusiasm for life and a great sense of humor. I think this is why this shocks me.
Are you saying this is a reason it can't be physical? I'm not sure what point you are making here. My daughter is very strong willed, yes, but she is also very chatty, has "an enormous enthusiasm for life", is very bright and energetic and happy and makes friends wherever she goes. And when she doesn't eat enough or eats the wrong thing she is angry and out of control.

It's not her fault, it's not her choosing not to calm down. That would be like me saying I choose to have eczema when I eat dairy. Which, ok, some LOA people might say I do But even if you believe that as the truth, it's very hard for us adults to accept and work with that, it's a big expectation to put on a child to be able to.

From what you've written I would very strongly suggest you look into food. It's as simple as starting with a food diary and seeing if you see a pattern. Some foods take days to show reactions but there's usually a pattern (like you might notice that the day after he eats X he's angry while 2 days after he eats Y he's sad all day long).
post #268 of 787
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Originally Posted by Amris View Post
I need to knuckle down, and apply something on a long-term, consistent basis. I don't do that when I am "searching" different methods. When I learn of a method, I am of the type that, I have to try it. Then I have to try the next one. And the next one.

So, now I intend to stick with the tools I have selected. If I cease learning simply because I choose to stick with those, then I think I have a big problem.



May I gently suggest the possibility that you continue the seeking because you're needing to 'try on' the different offerings and that you can TRUST that you'll stop when you've found what resonates the strongest within you?

And that the idea of 'ceasing learning' may also occur due to your time being done with a certain method - not necessarily due to you 'having a problem' that's personal?



Just some other ways of looking at things. . .
post #269 of 787
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Originally Posted by KoalaMama View Post
Penny, I have a friend that is an energy healer and intuitive. She does her work remotely, over the telephone. She could work on your son and you from a distance, which means no resistance for him. Actually, he wouldn't even have to know. Let me know if you'd like her email address.
Thanks, Melanie! Actually our healer said she could do it "remote" and I gave her a photo of him (a very cute one!). I haven't followed up yet because - and I just came back to ask your reactions to this! - I felt a little weird about doing it when he had been resisting it so much, as if that was kind of dishonest and going behind his back. (Putting vitamins in his juice never worked either!) What do you think?

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Originally Posted by KoalaMama View Post
Amris, my first instinct reading this is to tell you to tune in and think about whether or not you're feeling any spirit babies hanging out around you. If you are, have a conversation and tell them that you're not able to provide them with a home right now.
: That whole spirit babies thread has really amazed me!

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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post
I don't think we can assume that cargirls ds had a desire and intent to inflict physical harm, he is a child not an adult. Kids get overloaded with emotions that cause them to act out without specific intent to harm.
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Originally Posted by Amris View Post
We're not talking about a child having a tantrum on the ground here, he is assaulting her. We're not talking about some yelling. We're talking physical attacks with FULL and very REAL desire and intent to inflict physical harm.
I agree with both of you, actually. But what Amris said above is why I reacted the way I did. While he's too small to hurt me, it was clearly a psychic (more than physical) attack (and I'm much more sensitive to that now). I'm not proud of how I reacted, but if an adult got in my face like that I probably would have felt the same need to protect myself. (And as I'm writing this I realized that there were times in the past when I didn't always do that.) The energy healer said she could feel his aura about 8 feet away - he has a very powerful effect on people (which of course is why his music speaks to people!).



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Originally Posted by KoalaMama View Post
Penny... I just had a thought. Do you think your son is pushing as a way to force you to provide more of 'the way it was'? It sounds like you've made huge changes in how you interact with each other in your house, and that could feel very unsettling for him, even if the changes are bringing you to a better place. So maybe it's just him doing an emotional detox, the same way you probably went through one yourself. In which case, some loving support and a few "I'm still here" sentiments might just be all he needs to get to a better feeling place.
Oh yes! I was feeling this, definitely. That's what I meant yesterday when i ws talking about not being able to put the genie back in the bottle (not that I want to, it's just that some of the effects are scary when you can't see where it's going). I guess this is bringing up a hugs amount of stuff for me too. I was saying to dh last night that sometimes thigs get worse before they start to get better.

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Originally Posted by KoalaMama View Post
It is a bit different with children because we can't really just leave the house and walk away from them. Ultimately, I think Penny's choice to hold her son's hands and try to talk him down feels like the best course of action to me.
I do walk away sometimes, and I make it clear when I do that that it's not because I don't love him, but that I'm going to love him from another room because I respect myself and can't allow him to behave that way to me. And I do think it's good for him to learn that if you make people unhappy, they may move away in order to not continue allowing you to do that. He feels threatened by that, though, in spite of me saying that. And the problem right then was that he was trying to force me away physically and it seemed counterproductive to allow that to succeed - I didn't want him to learn that it was a good way to get ehat you want.


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Originally Posted by Amris View Post
I stated I was done, and I am done.

So can we drop it yet and get back to the real purpose of the thread already?
Amris. I've appreciated your input
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Are you saying this is a reason it can't be physical? I'm not sure what point you are making here.
No, I was saying I don't think it's bi-polar. I'mnot ruling out food.

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From what you've written I would very strongly suggest you look into food. It's as simple as starting with a food diary and seeing if you see a pattern. Some foods take days to show reactions but there's usually a pattern (like you might notice that the day after he eats X he's angry while 2 days after he eats Y he's sad all day long).
That I'll do. I didn't realize (though I suppose it's obvious) that the reaction time would vary. thanks for the idea!
post #270 of 787
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Originally Posted by celesterra View Post
((I don't have much to show for it yet, since I've had no time, but the site is up and it's at www.bamboovillage.org. I got my etsy shop up too, though I'm having a hard time getting good photos of the etched glass pieces... there are only 2 things in there are a result. That one's at http://bamboovillagepress.etsy.com))
beautiful!! i'm definitely buying some drinking glasses when you put them up on the site.
post #271 of 787
Celeste, I love them!! I'm thinking of who I could get things like this for....
post #272 of 787
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Originally Posted by catgirl View Post
Oh yes! I was feeling this, definitely. That's what I meant yesterday when i ws talking about not being able to put the genie back in the bottle (not that I want to, it's just that some of the effects are scary when you can't see where it's going). I guess this is bringing up a hugs amount of stuff for me too. I was saying to dh last night that sometimes thigs get worse before they start to get better.

that has been my experience too, and in fact I think we have talked about similar things in previous threads. Changing your perspective on life is a big adjustment and I think it's harder for kids sometimes.
post #273 of 787
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Celeste, I love them!! I'm thinking of who I could get things like this for....
Hey, how did I miss your earlier post celesterra!?

These are gorgeous!
post #274 of 787
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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post
that has been my experience too, and in fact I think we have talked about similar things in previous threads. Changing your perspective on life is a big adjustment and I think it's harder for kids sometimes.
ITA and it's been my experience too. I was thinking just this morning that not only do things seem to get more difficult right before a major breakthrough, but it also occurs in layers.

I'll have a breakthrough in one area, just to leave another WIDE open yk?

That's happening for me right now. I'm not ready to work on it yet though.
post #275 of 787
Is it okay if I jump in?

I wrote this in the first very lenghty LOA/Secret thread:

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Originally Posted by Shonahsmom
As I write, the universe is taking shape in a perfect way at precisely the right moment to fulfill my greatest want: a partner.

I know who he is and how we are together.

He is highly intelligent. He is funny, kind, considerate, grateful, appreciative, humble, loving, gentle, respectful, conscious, openhearted, open-minded, capable, generous and strong. He is devoted and faithful. He is successful at the things he loves. He is self-aware and expresses himself eloquently. He is confident. He laughs often and speaks kindly. He is affectionate, playful, and loving. He is experienced in life and full of wisdom. He is always honest and virtuous. He is joyful. He places those he loves above all things. He has released all doubt, fear and hesitation. He loves me exactly as I am with every fiber of his being. He is devoted to me. He is devoted to our children. He always strives to be the best partner and father he can be. He is always willing and glad to go the extra mile. He is exactly who I want in a partner.

We laugh together everyday. We tell each other daily how blessed we are to be in the other’s presence. We love one another exactly as we are, exactly as we love ourselves. We communicate with ease, sharing a deep understanding of one another’s beliefs, hopes, and goals. We delight in one another’s company. We share so many similar interests and are excited to teach and learn from one another. We challenge and stimulate one another’s minds. Our union makes us love each other and ourselves more and more deeply everyday. We are true partners in every sense of the word. There is perfect reciprocity. We support each other on every level. We speak only out of love and kindness. We act and speak with complete honesty. We honor one another’s paths. We offer, accept and trust in one another’s guidance and ideas. We parent together beautifully in close partnership. Our deepest joys are our children and our union. Our life is blissful, healthy, safe, comfortable, joyful and full of affection and laughter. We are so happy. We are thankful every moment.
I am still quite circumspect because it is very, very early on in the possible adventure, but I think I might have met him! Thus far, he seems to be every single thing that I wrote in that first paragraph and he's super duper crunchy. I'm trying not be totally freaked out and neurotic and overly analytical. I am trying to just take it as it comes and be grateful for the moment. But, I am seriously thinking he is the man I've been manifesting in to my life.
post #276 of 787
How exciting Shonahsmom!
post #277 of 787
WOO HOO!! How wonderful. Your description brought tears to my eyes!

Please hang out with us!
post #278 of 787
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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post
How exciting Shonahsmom!
Shonahsmom! Great manifesting!
post #279 of 787
I'm actually giddy over here!

I don't remember the last time I felt giddy. I know I haven't felt this excited about another person since becomming a mama over seven years ago.
post #280 of 787
Shonahsmom, that is amazing! Good for you!


I've been kinda shy about posting my manifesting writing here. I don't know why. Thank you for the inspiration.


Arduinna, is that you in your siggie link?
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