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Last night we picked up burritos and had dinner at the playground. The kids ran around and had a lot of fun. So we're leaving, and as we were about to cross the street he asked if he could run down this long path. I should have just said yes, but I said no - I had ds2, all our stuff, we were on our way to the library, it was cold and getting dark. He immediately turned away and just bolted down the path as fast as he could. I called his name and he completely ignored me, and ran the whole length (which was quite a distance - there was no way I was running after him). When he finally came back I was livid from the blatant disregard for what I had told him. I don't even remember exactly what I said, but it was along the lines of "You NEVER run off like that, I said NO, when I tell you something you LISTEN." That kind of stuff. Of course, I wasn't saying it nicely. We got into the car and I was still angry, and then he started in with the backtalk, which just makes me go insane. Dh ended up pulling the car over, going back there and basically telling him to stop talking to us that way. The whole time I'm in internal conflict thinking "Yeah, but meanwhile I'm talking nasty to him" but also "He needs to have some respect for what I tell him!"

I just don't know what to do in situations like this. Yes, it would have been easier if I had said yes. But honestly, most situations would be easier if he got to do whatever he wanted to do. I give him a lot of leeway and a lot of freedoms. When I say no, I expect him to listen, and yes, gasp, even obey. I am at a loss when he has such blatant disregard for what I've told him not to do. I say I don't punish, but in reality I punish by getting so angry at him, so that's not working either. I just don't know how else to get the point across, because talking nicely about it doesn't seem to phase him. As he says "But I want to." And no matter what explanations I have for him, his only response is "But I want to."

And with two kids, things aren't so easy. Yesterday at the playground earlier in the day, I saw ds1 about to throw some sand. He of course knows better, but I reminded him that he's not to throw sand, that someone could get hurt, blah blah blah. About an hour later I look over and he is throwing sand at someone (he missed, but he was definitely trying). I call him over and we talk about it. But I feel like at almost 6yo I shouldn't have to have a second conversation about now throwing sand. He didn't forget. I can't just pick up and leave because that's unfair to ds2, and besides, isn't that a punishment? You threw sand so now we're leaving the playground?

Sometimes I feel like I've got this all down, and other times I feel like I'm floundering.
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Gosh - I hear you mama!!! Especially about the "I'd leave the playground but it wouldn't be fair for the sibling" part Maybe a consequence for a 6 year old would be to "make it up" to you sometime later by helping load up the stuff - or later when it was just you and him, and he wanted to go somewhere, say, I'd like to, but last time you wouldn't listen to me when I asked you not to do something that was important. I don't necessarily feel like consequences have to be immediate (especially for a 6 yo) - it's just not as "gratifying" to us as parents to take immediate action.

I also tend to say "no" immediately (especially when I have my hands full) and am struggling to take a moment to consider everything before answering. One thing I use to stall for time is parroting back what the child wants to do, (and this also acknowledges that you heard what he asked for).

I hope some of this helps. It's not easy!
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hugs to you! it is hard....as soon as they get to the point where they do have some impulse control - they start testing limits to see what's really acceptable and what's not!

i have been there so many times - My DS1 is a big tester as well and he's very big on 'why'. however, throwing sand is potentially harmful to other children - and I don't think there's anything wrong with telling your DS that throwing sand can be physically harmful to others and if he does it, he simply can't play in the sandbox. this isn't a 'punishment' in my mind. This is simply a logical consequence of his actions. you are the parent and you can't allow him to harm another child, so he's out of the sandbox if he throws sand. this way, the consequence is totally in his hands, his choice to make.

as for running down the path and back - I hear you...sometimes I say 'no' and wish I could take it back...and you know what I've discovered? Its OK to take it back on occasion! battling for obedience just to have obedience feels really awful imo. after he came back from running - you could have said' 'you know, that looked like a lot of fun, and I'm glad you got to do that - but sometimes, if its too dark it might be dangerous or I might be really exhausted and ask you to skip that activity. So, I really need you to listen when I say 'no' and if its that important to you, ask me why. Sometimes it might turn out that I change my mind - sometimes not." and if you do get into a battle over something and there really was no reason other than your own irritation (btdt) - i don't think there's anything wrong saying' "Man, was I cranky when we were leaving the park. I can't think of any good reason why you shouldn't have been able to run down the path. Sorry about that!"
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