Originally Posted by timberwolf
Oh Hey there! Yep the winters are still the same, you're not missing out ha ha.
I am overall pretty pleased with the laid back atmosphere of vaxing here (so far my GP is very cool). Like I said it is really just next year for a few days a week and then he is in public school which should be fine.
Good luck with the system there, hey you could always come home
Well, I have thought of coming home......briefly.....then I talk to my sister after a 40 below stretch and come to my senses! We'd love to move to Vancouver or Victoria though.
Originally Posted by wednesday
DH is an attorney and you should hear him on the topic. He's very into the clarity of language in legal statutes, like whether or not they are clearly defined. The simple fact is that you can't define a religious belief in the first place. A religious belief is whatever a person says it is, you can't "prove" or "disprove" what a person says they believe.
We don't have a philosophical exemption in NC so it's a moot point for me, but I agree with those who feel a religious exemption is "safer". It really is pretty sacred in our culture that you don't mess with people's religious beliefs, even when they seem kooky.
Originally Posted by knowerofnada
ITA that a religious belief does not mean that you have to subscribe to a particular religion; that has been very well established multiple times on this forum and elsewhere, even being written into the laws regarding religious exemption.
ITA with you guys. It's not that I disagree that the religious exemption is appropriate for my situation. I actually do believe there is a greater power that guides us but I just don't think any organized religion (that I've come across. Admittedly I haven't really felt the need to look too hard because I'm very comfortable with my personal beliefs and have never felt the need to join any organized group to share with) really does it justice imo.
My beef with the religious exemption is that I just think it's unfair that we are forced to fall back on a religious belief to defend what isn't necessarily a decision that has anything to do with religion. Sure, I believe that whatever greater power it was that guided us into creation included some pretty amazing mechanisms that allow us to fight disease and even heal ourselves. What I don't believe is that any government has the right to force medical treatment on me or my child.
So, really I guess the reason I don't vax my kid is because I don't feel it's necessary because of a somewhat religious belief. However, I don't feel that that is anyone's business but my own and I should have the right to refuse vaccines even if I do believe they are of value. It should be my choice. In other words, I don't feel I'm lying if I submit a religious exemption, I would just rather be able to comfortably use a philosophical exemption to object to the practice of forced vaccination.
As I said before, I will do whatever it takes. But I don't have to like it!
Originally Posted by onelilguysmommy
look at it this way- if you ever move to a state without philisophical, youd have to pull religion, right?
okay so then someone miught question why you didnt do it to begin with, etc and it might be a headache....
That's a very good point. For us, however, there's very little chance we'll live anywhere else in the US. If we ever move again, it'll be back to Canada. We love it here in the Pacific Northwest - the weather is nice, the people are amazing, and we still get CBC-TV on cable (a must for my hockey-loving husband). And we're only a couple hours drive from Canada!
Still, I am in agreement that the religious exemption is the way to go. Like I said, I'll do what it takes.
Thanks again for a great discussion on this subject!