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Originally Posted by ~~Mama2B~~ View Post
The other thing, is that Western Christianity is very different than Eastern. Westerners want to believe that G-d has a plan for each and every person and that Jesus was specifically thinking of you- YES, YOU!- when he was on the cross and all that. In Eastern religious thought the common good of the people (family, nation, tribe, etc.) is the important thing. In Judaism, for example most siddurs include prayers for the congregation (WE praise, WE confess, WE have sinned, etc.) and not individuals (I sinned, I confess, etc.). G-d and me is a majority is a western concept and is foreign to Eastern thinkers.
interesting you point that out.


I have recently begun to convert to Eastern Orthodox and this is one of the very reasons. It is not as me focused and more of an us focus. Even my personal prayers are "us". very few are "me". i really dig that. i had never noticed how self focused my faith was. Everything in th EO church seems to draw away from you and what is on your mind today. From the "us" stuff to the fact that there are no relevant seeker friendly churches (liturgy is liturgy and it isn't for your glory or entertainment so you don't have to like it.)

I also feels it is less focused on emotions and feelings. I can't really articulate it but it just seems less driven by that, yet at the same time more driven by faith and trust that the church fathers won't lead us astray. Just without the personal drama.

And to whoever asked - yes there is room for a personal relationship with God. More than just room. but it is different than what a protestant would describe as a personal relationship with Christ. And the cooperate is just as important.
post #122 of 168
Oh wow, I just got back to this thread today and there is a lot to read!

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So Jennica, if you don't mind my asking, it seems that the JWs fear the Lord's return because they think if they don't follow some JW rules, they will be forced to suffer through the great tribulation?
I don't know much about their beliefs, but it does sound like it was rather controlling and frightening to you. Are your parents and in-laws and family all JWs?
I understand how you say you miss the sense of community and a bit about how difficult it is to not be accepted by the people who were once your friends.
First, here is what JW's believe (to my understanding); Christ already returned, invisibly, in 1914. 1914 was identified by the JW's as the beginning of "the last days" mentioned in the bible. They used to say that the generation that saw 1914 ushered in would not die before the end came, but they changed that in the 90's sometime to saying the end would come in the 20th century, which of course they no longer mention anymore, but still say that the end is "very close at hand". They believe that any day now the great tribulation will begin, which will be marked by a declaration of peace on earth, the governments turning on "false religion" (any non-JW religion), and then the persecution of the "true christians" (JW's). The great tribulation will be immediately followed by Armageddon, which will usher in the paradise. Most JW's believe that only their group will survive, and this is what is strongly indicated by the religious leaders.

Now as far as the fear goes, most JW's are not afraid of the end coming. They believe that they are going to survive into the paradise, and most don't have much to do with non-JW's, so they don't feel much sympathy or sadness for those people, they usually feel that they "don't have the right heart condition" to accept "the truth". However, there is much room for fear in this religion, especially, if like myself, you have been raised into it. Believing that any day now the end of the world is coming, your school mates will all die, your grandparents may die, and everyone you know who is not a JW will die, is a scary thing to a child. Being shown images of the end of the world and told over and over again that it is really really really close, it could happen any day now, can put children into a hyper alert state that becomes part of their psyche. There is also the fear of the persecution that will supposedly take place and children are often told that they may be separated from their parents at this time, or threatened with death, but they must hold to their beliefs despite any bad things that may happen. There is a very interesting thesis written on this subject at this site, which talks about religious trauma suffered in childhood and the affect that is has on the individual.

Anyway, for most JW's, fear is not generally held in the conscious mind. They may have small tinges of anxiety when they think about the end coming, but these are usually pushed back into the subconscious by focusing on thoughts of the paradise. For children raised in it, I think they would say that they are not afraid of the end coming, but they likely are. JW's are constantly told that "we don't need to fear the end because we will be saved" so this is the thought that would pop up when asked about fear, however, the hyper alertness has generally become so ingrained in the personality by this point that a child or even an adult wouldn't recognize this state of mind as fear. And I'm sure that some are genuinely not afraid, and think it absurd that anyone would suggest otherwise.

Some JW's are a lot more fearful because they are not following all the rules, attending church, or participating at church, or preaching. JW's are taught that "faith without works is dead" therefore, if you are not doing more in the work of the lord, then your salvation is not guaranteed. So the more you do in the religion, the less fearful you will be. If you start to become fearful, this is usually looked at as a cue the you need to do more.

I myself was not overly concerned or afraid of the end coming until my son was born and I had other emotional and anxiety issues come up. I think what happened was that I could no longer hold the fear at bay in the subconscious mind, and a lifetime of fears and worries came raging out into the conscious mind. So, for me, fear had a constant presence in my life, and led to a general state of anxiety and hyper alertness, but I was able to keep it at bay until my son was born.

Also, as for the question about family, my parents and one sibling left the religion before me. My other two siblings are still in it. Dh's sister is out, but his parents and grandparents and almost every other relative he has is in it. For him it is a really ingrained family cultural thing, and his family is not too happy with us for leaving it, but so far they still talk to us so that is good.
post #123 of 168
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Originally Posted by lilyka View Post
interesting you point that out.


I have recently begun to convert to Eastern Orthodox and this is one of the very reasons. It is not as me focused and more of an us focus. Even my personal prayers are "us". very few are "me". i really dig that. i had never noticed how self focused my faith was. Everything in th EO church seems to draw away from you and what is on your mind today. From the "us" stuff to the fact that there are no relevant seeker friendly churches (liturgy is liturgy and it isn't for your glory or entertainment so you don't have to like it.)

I also feels it is less focused on emotions and feelings. I can't really articulate it but it just seems less driven by that, yet at the same time more driven by faith and trust that the church fathers won't lead us astray. Just without the personal drama.

And to whoever asked - yes there is room for a personal relationship with God. More than just room. but it is different than what a protestant would describe as a personal relationship with Christ. And the cooperate is just as important.
Maybe someone could direct me to some further reading on this issue because I find it very intriguing and find the whole "Jesus died to save me from my sins" thinking superficial.

In regard to Eastern Orthodox Christianity, isn't one of their prayers the Jesus Prayer (something like "Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me, a sinner")?
In EO theology, is redemption through Jesus personal?
post #124 of 168
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Originally Posted by merpk View Post
Just so it's clear, while Mama2be is talking about the importance of the communal "we" in Judaism's prayerbooks, she's not coming at it from a Jewish perspective and is not correct about how Jewish tradition views the personal relationship with G!d.



Yes, the personal relationship with G!d is entirely central to Judaism. So central that we don't have need of any middleman, so to speak, between us and G!d. The relationship with G!d is entirely direct, and many (though not all) Jews consider hashgakha pratit ... G!d's direct involvement in our everyday lives ... very obvious on a regular basis.
Yes, I think most here are aware that Messianic Judaism is not accepted by Judaism as legitimate, however, I have done a great deal of study and research on Judaism and incorporate a very Jewish belief system in my own life.

I did not mean to make it sound as though G-d is not a part of life in Judaism. He is viewed as very involved and very interested in the lives of His people. However, when it comes to His rules, the individual is not left to his own devices or his own common sense to figure out how G-d expects him to live- the Torah is a guidebook.

Someone once said that the Jewish people have not kept the Torah as much as the Torah has kept the Jewish people. Without the Torah a great deal of Jewish culture would not exist. It is central to the life of religious Jews and it's influence can be felt even amongst secular/non-religious Jews in the keeping of holy days, traditions and cultural thought.

Many Eastern religions (if not most or all deity-based ones) do have a concept of a "personal" relationship with G-d, although it's not neccesarily the same as with Christianity. The Tanakh tells us that the spirit of G-d/Holy Spirit is a spirit of wisdom and guided many of Israel's leaders. Joshua, for example, led by the Spirit and the aritsans who crafted the tabernacle and Temple were given abilities and forsight by the Spirit.

When it comes to prayer, there is ample evidence that both communal and personal prayer are accepted and important, as well as both liturgical and spontaneous prayer. The book of Psalms is filled with spontaneous, personal prayers from Kind David, as well as songs and simple dialogues in times of distress, joy, confusion and triumph. Likewise, liturgical prayers fill siddurs and other prayer books, as the unified prayers of the people are also essential.

The differences I was trying to point out focus on the attitude of the believer. In Western Christianity the belief is that G-d has a personal will for every person. He may want you to be a Baptist or He may call you to be a Lutheran. He may convict one person that listening to secular music is a sin for them and to another, He may tell them to continue being a part of the secular music scene in order to witness.

In Judaism, G-d is involved in our personal lives. Some believe He arranges our marriages for us. However, biblically speaking, a person took on the career of his father. A person married whomever his parents and each other agreed on. If you could be educated, you were. If you could sit under a rabbi, you did. The notion that every aspect of life, down to what brand of toilet paper you buy is directed by G-d is not found.

In Messianic Judaism, many people incorporate the Christian understanding of the personal relationship with the Jewish one, only to find that they do not fit together in a neat little package. In Christianity (as well as Messianic Judaism) there is a belief that Jesus died for our sins, however my branch of MJs dont believe he was thinking about me- Kristi- and crying over my sins. The belief is more that because he was the messiah, he obeyed G-d and did what was required for our redemption. There really isn't anywhere in the New Testament that hints that he did it because he loved us or because he wanted to have a relationship with us. Note- I'm not saying that isn't the case, but I don't believe that's why he chose to come. The role of the messiah is to lead G-d's people back to Torah, to teach the proper understanding of Torah (aka fulfill it) and (in Christian and Messianic thought) to atone for the sins of the people so that when he comes and establishes Israel as G-d's kingdom, Israel will be as a spotless bride with no fault found in her.

Does that make more sense?

Kristi
post #125 of 168
Your right. the Jesus prayer does use "me" So do the morning and evening prayers and most of the confession prayers. Here is a link to some of the others: Prayer book IMHO even the ones that say me/I the focus isn't on what God has done for me but what I need to do.

I never said superficial. What do you mean by superficial? (honestly, I am not being snarky here. just looking for clarification)

The whole different focus thing was just something I noticed once I stepped back and honestly evaluated things. someone pointed it out to me. I may have thought them evil, narrow minded heretics with an ax to grind (as was the general course of things in this journey ) but once i stepped back and honestly looked at things I could really tell a difference in perspectives. I was grieved to see how self focused I had been. but YMMV. Maybe your church tradition is not so self focused so the difference wouldn't be that stark.

and despite preaching a personal relationship with Jesus for years (I worked in youth ministry for years and this was a regular theme) I can't really tell you what it means or why we put such an emphasis on it. it is no where in the Bible that I can find. its just one of those catch phrase doctrines that have worked their way into gospel truth. And it seems as though it is a fairly recent mantra this whole personal relationship thing.

which leads me to the question . . .what if you never have a real personal relationship with Christ? what if you believe in your heart confess with your mouth and continue on in growth and refinement everyday being a little closer to the likeness of God. If you keep the commandments and partake of the sacraments and do everything else but never really feel close to Christ personally and never have a real two way chummy relationship with him? when you die will you be denied salvation for lack of a personal relationship? if you never felt close enough (by someone's standard) to God?

Sorry if I am not being concise. I feel like i have mush for brain so if i completely botch what I am trying to say (and I feel I am) please forgive.
post #126 of 168
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Originally Posted by lilyka View Post
Your right. the Jesus prayer does use "me" So do the morning and evening prayers and most of the confession prayers. Here is a link to some of the others: Prayer book IMHO even the ones that say me/I the focus isn't on what God has done for me but what I need to do.

I never said superficial. What do you mean by superficial? (honestly, I am not being snarky here. just looking for clarification)

The whole different focus thing was just something I noticed once I stepped back and honestly evaluated things. someone pointed it out to me. I may have thought them evil, narrow minded heretics with an ax to grind (as was the general course of things in this journey ) but once i stepped back and honestly looked at things I could really tell a difference in perspectives. I was grieved to see how self focused I had been. but YMMV. Maybe your church tradition is not so self focused so the difference wouldn't be that stark.

and despite preaching a personal relationship with Jesus for years (I worked in youth ministry for years and this was a regular theme) I can't really tell you what it means or why we put such an emphasis on it. it is no where in the Bible that I can find. its just one of those catch phrase doctrines that have worked their way into gospel truth. And it seems as though it is a fairly recent mantra this whole personal relationship thing.

which leads me to the question . . .what if you never have a real personal relationship with Christ? what if you believe in your heart confess with your mouth and continue on in growth and refinement everyday being a little closer to the likeness of God. If you keep the commandments and partake of the sacraments and do everything else but never really feel close to Christ personally and never have a real two way chummy relationship with him? when you die will you be denied salvation for lack of a personal relationship? if you never felt close enough (by someone's standard) to God?

Sorry if I am not being concise. I feel like i have mush for brain so if i completely botch what I am trying to say (and I feel I am) please forgive.
Good post. You said so much of what I wanted to but couldn't articulate!

I also wanted to add that the notion of "asking Jesus in your heart" is also not found in the Bible. In all other religions (not Evangelical Christiaiity) including Judaism, Catholicism and Eastern/Protestant Christianity you become a Christian when you start acting like one. A person can be considered Lutheran, Catholic or Jewish simply because he is born into a believing, religious family, and he actively participates in the religious events. In Judaism and Catholicism the bar/bat mitvah and confirmation solidify a young person's desire to follow the religion, but no one would say they were not Jewish or Catholic before that event.

For me, I am Messianic because I believe in the Tanakh, I believe Yeshua is the Messiah and I am Torah observant. I don't have to say some magic words or have a "mountain-top" emotional experience. This is a relief for me, because I constantly feared I wasn't really accepted by G-d because I couldn't remember my "salvation experience," which happened at age 7 out of peer pressure.

Evangelicals may have a lot of success when it comes to reaching younger people or those who consider themselves more emotional and "feelers," however, for a person who is logical, pragmatic and not particularly emotional this approach could be devastating.

I no longer have to worry that G-d doesn't love me or I'm not saved, or I don't really know him or any other BS simply because I don't get the "warm-fuzzies" whenever I hear Amazing Grace. I'm okay with G-d as is. The Tanakh says several times, in several ways that if we obey G-d we're His. Likewise, Yeshua says that if you want eternal life obey the commandments. It doesn't have to be an emotional experience to be true and valid in Eastern thinking.

Kristi
post #127 of 168
Studying Judaism on one's own is not the same as learning Judaism.
post #128 of 168
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Originally Posted by ~~Mama2B~~ View Post
Someone once said that the Jewish people have not kept the Torah as much as the Torah has kept the Jewish people.




Am sure someone somewhere once said that.

The original quote is actually more than the Jewish people have kept the Shabbos/Sabbath, the Shabbos has kept the Jewish people.



But that's okay, it sounds all right with "Torah" in it, too.






Am sure you're read a whole lot about Judaism, Kristi. Books and books and books of it. Then you know that Torah includes also rules of Jewish life ... also known as halakha ... and one chunk of them is the rules of what makes Jews to be Jews. Or what makes nonJews become Jews.

Nowhere in any of it is belief in a "personal savior" involved.


Hoping for Mashiakh/the Messiah is lovely and a good part of it all.

And the very obvious fact that Jesus didn't do any single thing that the Jewish Mashiakh is supposed to do, well, that precludes him being Mashiakh.
Not to mention the obvious fact that the Jewish Mashiakh is supposed to get it right the first time and not need a "second coming" to tie up loose ends or whatever.




So anyway, I never "left" a religion, so am not supposed to be in this thread. Though I did leave my parents' version of Judaism to find my own, that still doesn't count. Same religion.



Christianity/believing-in-Jesus-as-personal-savior and Judaism ... different religions.
post #129 of 168
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Christianity/believing-in-Jesus-as-personal-savior and Judaism ... different religions.
agreed. we get it, honestly.
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Lilyka, when I used the word "superficial," I meant I thought there had to be more to or a deeper meaning to Jesus' death than the thinking that Mama2B wrote about:
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Jesus was specifically thinking of you- YES, YOU!- when he was on the cross and all that.
I just don't buy the Western Christian thinking about us inheriting "original sin" a la Augustine of Hippo and Jesus's death being "payment" for our sins. I think that is a superficial explanation of what the Atonement was about, and was curious what EO had to say about the matter.

Lilyka and Mama2B I really appreciate your posts.
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agreed. we get it, honestly.
Are you sure? I thought it needs to be repeated...
post #132 of 168
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What are your reasons for doing so?
So, for those of you who left a religion, what religion did you leave, and for what reasons? And if you have found a new religion or belief system, what is that?
Born and raised Lutheran - Missouri Synod. Left when pastor gave a sermon telling the congregation that AIDS was God's punishment for homosexuality. And he was an unashamed chauvinist, said flat out a woman's place was in the kitchen. Yeah, he's pretty much a pompous a$$. After those two events, I was done (at age 18).

Even without those incidents, I would eventually have left. I refuse to be a part of any religion that blatantly discriminates against women, homosexuals, etc.

I haven't yet found another religion, but really would like to. I've tried several congregations of Lutheran-ELCA (much more liberal) but it didn't "feel" right. Adding to my issues is my husband is Catholic and always will be. While I believe it is a beautiful religion in many ways, there are too many things I disagree with. My husband says to take what you need from a religion and leave the rest, but that doesn't sit well with me. And he'll never convert, not that I expect him to, but I want my family to go to worship together. I know lots of families make it work, but I'm sort of stuck on that issue.
post #133 of 168
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Am sure someone somewhere once said that.

The original quote is actually more than the Jewish people have kept the Shabbos/Sabbath, the Shabbos has kept the Jewish people.



But that's okay, it sounds all right with "Torah" in it, too.






Am sure you're read a whole lot about Judaism, Kristi. Books and books and books of it. Then you know that Torah includes also rules of Jewish life ... also known as halakha ... and one chunk of them is the rules of what makes Jews to be Jews. Or what makes nonJews become Jews.

Nowhere in any of it is belief in a "personal savior" involved.


Hoping for Mashiakh/the Messiah is lovely and a good part of it all.

And the very obvious fact that Jesus didn't do any single thing that the Jewish Mashiakh is supposed to do, well, that precludes him being Mashiakh.
Not to mention the obvious fact that the Jewish Mashiakh is supposed to get it right the first time and not need a "second coming" to tie up loose ends or whatever.




So anyway, I never "left" a religion, so am not supposed to be in this thread. Though I did leave my parents' version of Judaism to find my own, that still doesn't count. Same religion.



Christianity/believing-in-Jesus-as-personal-savior and Judaism ... different religions.
I don't know why so many people within Judaism on this board feel the need to stick their two cents in eveytime I post. I'm sure everyone is aware that you are Jewish and I'm not. I'm Messianic, not Christian and it's very apparent from every one of my posts where I stand. I don't think we need running reminders every other post. Thanks.

I don't claim to be an expert on Judaism because I've never been a part of it. Unless you've been Messianic it would be nice if you would stop pretending to know all about it. I have never claimed to be Jewish. I am very upfront about my beliefs. However, the religious practice that I adhere to is that of Judaism. It's sabbath, daily prayers, the Jewish holidays, synagogue, Talmud, kosher, siddurs, etc. I'm not a Christian sitting in a Sunday church trying to pretend I know something. You don't know my life and you don't know what I do. I have a halacha that I adhere to. I have traditions and customs that I follow. When I sit in synagogue and listen to the same teachings any Conservative Jew would be hearing ever shabbat, I feel I ought to be able to state what I've heard. I make statements about the Jewish traditions that I practice and the halacha that I follow or the halacha that my Jewish or Messianic friends follow. I'm not claiming to be privy to all of Jewish belief or to know everything about Judaism, but I'm not talking about things I have no experience with either. Also, not all rabbinical halacha is followed by all Jews and yet, they are not precluded from being a part of Judaism. I'm sure you know that Conservtive, Reform, Karaite and other sects of Judaism do not adhere to all halacha (or even all Torah) and are yet considered to be a part of religious Judaism (except by the Chassidic and Orthodox groups). Again, I'm not trying to be a part of Judaism, but for a person to make a blanket statement that belief that a certain person is the messiah precludes the believer from his/her own religion, even if he never leaves that religion or stops practicing that reliegion is offensive and inaccurate.

The Talmud alludes to a dying, resurrecting messiah. This is why the Lubavitcher followers of Scheerson believe he is the messiah. You don't have to believe it, understand it or approve of it, but being snarky isn't a requirement. In fact, I thought this was supposed to be an informative thread and not an attacking/ putting down thread.

As I've stated before in other threads, everyone ought to be able to follow the religion they want to follow and to define what that is for other people. If I choose NOT to call myself a Christian for valid reasons, that should be respected.

I'm not trying to convert people, challenge Judaism or anything. I don't get why people feel the need to slam my beliefs when I'm not talking to them and they aren't even involved in the thread's focus.

Kristi
post #134 of 168
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Born and raised Lutheran - Missouri Synod. Left when pastor gave a sermon telling the congregation that AIDS was God's punishment for homosexuality. And he was an unashamed chauvinist, said flat out a woman's place was in the kitchen. Yeah, he's pretty much a pompous a$$. After those two events, I was done (at age 18).

Even without those incidents, I would eventually have left. I refuse to be a part of any religion that blatantly discriminates against women, homosexuals, etc.

I haven't yet found another religion, but really would like to. I've tried several congregations of Lutheran-ELCA (much more liberal) but it didn't "feel" right. Adding to my issues is my husband is Catholic and always will be. While I believe it is a beautiful religion in many ways, there are too many things I disagree with. My husband says to take what you need from a religion and leave the rest, but that doesn't sit well with me. And he'll never convert, not that I expect him to, but I want my family to go to worship together. I know lots of families make it work, but I'm sort of stuck on that issue.
I don't have any experience with it, but if you're wanting a religious congregation to go toand connect with, the UU church might be a good place to try out. It seems that a lof of people who don't want the rigid beliefs and/or are interfaith families enjoy the UU church as a middleground.

Kristi
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I haven't yet found another religion, but really would like to. I've tried several congregations of Lutheran-ELCA (much more liberal) but it didn't "feel" right. Adding to my issues is my husband is Catholic and always will be. While I believe it is a beautiful religion in many ways, there are too many things I disagree with. My husband says to take what you need from a religion and leave the rest, but that doesn't sit well with me. And he'll never convert, not that I expect him to, but I want my family to go to worship together. I know lots of families make it work, but I'm sort of stuck on that issue.
Kewpie:

Have you tried the various quizes on BeliefNet?? There's the Belief-o-Matic as well as http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html

Also, the Christian Traditions quiz
http://www.selectsmart.com/plus/sele...denomtradition
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I don't have any experience with it, but if you're wanting a religious congregation to go toand connect with, the UU church might be a good place to try out. It seems that a lof of people who don't want the rigid beliefs and/or are interfaith families enjoy the UU church as a middleground.

Kristi
I haven't, but you're the 3rd person who has suggested I give it a try. I probably should. I don't know a ton about it, but I just have a feeling it's not as structured as I want. I don't know of that makes any sense, but that's how I felt about ELCA. I do mean to give it a try though.

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Kewpie:

Have you tried the various quizes on BeliefNet?? There's the Belief-o-Matic as well as http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html

Also, the Christian Traditions quiz
http://www.selectsmart.com/plus/sele...denomtradition
I have. UU is up there, but I almost always end up with Jewish in the top 2. I had a fabulous Rabbi teach Intro to the Bible (at a Catholic college of all things) and was very intrigued by the Jewish faith.
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I haven't, but you're the 3rd person who has suggested I give it a try. I probably should. I don't know a ton about it, but I just have a feeling it's not as structured as I want. I don't know of that makes any sense, but that's how I felt about ELCA. I do mean to give it a try though.

I have. UU is up there, but I almost always end up with Jewish in the top 2. I had a fabulous Rabbi teach Intro to the Bible (at a Catholic college of all things) and was very intrigued by the Jewish faith.
My DH goes to Hebrew class at the local Reform synagogue and the rabbi and other people there are very welcoming. We have several friends who attend and the rabbi there is always inviting us to come to shul and different festivities, even though we aren't Jewish. I'm not sure if they're all that nice and inviting, but you might try that. Reform seems a lot less rigid about some of the rules, but plenty of the synagogues still follow a structure in the services.

Good luck- I know it stinks to want to get invoved somewhere but not know what to start! I personally think religion is important regardless of what the tenants are. Studies seems to show that people who have some sort of religious or spiritual activites in their lives tend to be less likely to be involved in criminal behavior and to be generally more content and productive in life. I certainly find this to be the case with a lot of people I know. Whatever you choose, good luck!

Kristi

Kristi
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I don't know why so many people within Judaism on this board feel the need to stick their two cents in eveytime I post. I'm sure everyone is aware that you are Jewish and I'm not. I'm Messianic, not Christian and it's very apparent from every one of my posts where I stand. I don't think we need running reminders every other post. Thanks.
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Are you sure? I thought it needs to be repeated...
sheesh, seriously...
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Maybe this should be in it's own thread, but I'm wondering if anyone has been a part of any interfaith groups that do community service or volunteer-type stuff. It seems that I've heard of these groups existing, but I've never actually seen one. I enjoy how so many of us are willing to talk about our diverse religious beliefs and even to hear how our religion didn't work out for someone else, and still remain civil. I would love to see this IRL!

Kristi
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