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post #21 of 107
Originally Posted by 2Sweeties1Angel View Post
Considering that I can kick a dog outside if it's getting on my nerves but I actually have to take care of a baby/toddler....I'm going to go with kids are harder.

This thread makes me laugh- dogs easier than kids :
post #22 of 107
Honestly - what?!?!?!

I don't have to tend to my dog's emotional maturity; I don't have to worry that my dog is or isn't getting enough sleep; I don't have to manage my dog's social development, I don't have to help her maneuver through her educational experience....

And I have an Australian Kelpie so I know about high maintenance dogs...

Honestly, this thread has to be some kind of a JOKE...

Or maybe it's just a joke for those of us with older kids...
post #23 of 107
If dogs are so easy, and kids are soooo much harder, why do people get rid of their dogs and not their kids?? lol I think overall...........they are both hard!
post #24 of 107
Originally Posted by thismama View Post
OMG. I hear this a lot from childless people. "Oh but I have pets, it's sort of like kids."

Um, no it's not. Not remotely like having kids. I find that whole line of thinking offensive and a bit disturbing.
Thank you. I agree entirely. I find it incredibly insulting. I've had dogs and I love dogs. There is no comparison.
post #25 of 107
Originally Posted by Kewpie View Post
Had to . Seriously there is no comparison. Kids are much, much harder! But rewards are 10x better too.
I agree entirely.
post #26 of 107
Depends on the dog and kid.

My greyhound is definitely easier. She is content to run around the yard a few times a day, have her food, and then lay on the dog bed most of the day. Of course, she is always up for a walk too. She is awesome with my kids and tolerates more than she should. We adopted her as an adult (at 3 years old) after she had finished racing, so most of the training her (housebreaking, walking on a leash, being around humans, etc.) was already done.
post #27 of 107
Originally Posted by jillmamma View Post
Depends on the dog and kid.

We adopted jojo (lab/collie) when ds was 18months. jojo was a year and we figured it would be an easy transition.


She (jojo) is a nervous wreck. She needs a doggie shrink. We don't have the $$ . Seriously, people come over (or walking in the street, if she can see them from the window, driving in the car) and she barks like she's going to kill them. We can't leave her with ppl ~ after barking she runs upstairs and hides. Then, when she's really scared she pees and her legs shake.

My son sleeps through the night, but the dog (who MUST be in our bed) will start scratching her collar and wake me up, or the clicky-click of her nails on our hardwood wakes me up.

My son can be left alone to watch TV or play with his toys...my dog must be attached to my freakin hip (shes under the computer desk right now).

If we want to get away for the weekend we can go to a hotel with ds, not our dog ~ and we can't leave her with ppl because of her fears... (example ~ dh is going to a confrence next month for a weekend, my first thought was "great I'll take ds and go visit my mom" ~ but I can't b/c who's going to look after jojo? )

Im not a dog person, dh is so this has been a huge challenge for us. I think it would have been better if we had gotten her before ds came along, it would have made the transistion to parenthood easier, IMO.

As for ppl saying that being a dog owner is similar to parenting... I think the comparison is about the "loss of freedom" that comes with both. Obviously ppl who have pets do not have the SAME responsibilities as parents, but the 'lifestyle change' is similar.
-loss of mobility
-having to put someone/somethings needs ahead of your own
-learning to have patience
-unconditional love

So, every situation is different ~ our dog is nuts and Im sure not the ruler with which to measure most in this situation, but she is a lot more work than ds...seriously.
post #28 of 107
Our jack russell was like a toddler, even when full grown. Very needy, energetic, and mischevious. Of course, human babies grow out of that stage so maybe they are easier
post #29 of 107
osker: You mean it doesn't get better? We have an almost 3yo Vizsla and are hoping to soon add a munchkin to the mix. Everyone told us they calm down after about four years! We've been waiting for him to calm down!

osker, while our vizsla has obviously chilled out over the years, it's only noticable to those of us who have known him since his $50 bill-eating, knocking-down-Christmas-tree- puppy days. after growing up with cocker spaniels i was quite astonished by our dog's energy level. i kept thinking after a year he'll chill out, i started thinking okay, maybe after 2 years. 3 years? i've now come to to accept him for who he is: a dog who knows what he wants and isn't afraid to go out and get it, whether that be a stick of butter on the counter, a good run in the rain, a spot on the bed, or a seat in your lap. if it helps- they are great with babies and kids!
post #30 of 107
Originally Posted by saraann View Post
They seemd very surprised and said, "really, everyone else tells us dogs are way harder".

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That is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time.
post #31 of 107
Originally Posted by KristiMetz View Post
That said, I had dogs before I had kids and I do feel it's good preparation, AND I do feel it's kind of like having kids.

I think people who find it "offensive" that someone would say that probably consider humans to be superior beings to the other creatures on our wonderful earth.
Maybe they feel that way. I don't consider it offensive to say that having dogs is a small hint of what living with babies or toddlers is like. But, to me, it IS offensive to say that parenting kids is just like owning dogs. We're helping our children to grow up (for 20 some years), to be healthy and to contribute in this great big world. They're our equals and will be separate people, free to make any possible argument or choice. How is this like having a pet?
post #32 of 107
This question seriously boggles my mind. Is it easier to build a friendship and relationship with an animal whose nature is very different from ours, and to communicate with one who is mostly incapable of understanding human language or interactions, and will spend its entire life in a state of dependency? Or is it easier to spend 20 years raising a human, who needs intense amounts of care, socialization, and moral guidance, but who is capable of understanding and relating to you and eventually grows up and becomes self-sufficient? Raising kids involves a far greater demand on time, emotion, and parental resources and has far greater repercussions over a far greater timeline; raising dogs involves teaching things like patience, social skills, and manners to an animal who most likely doesn't understand your attempts at communication and is capable of biting your arm off, if they feel like it.

Honestly, they're two very separate experiences, and there's simply no comparison. To me, it's not a matter of whether one is more difficult. They're just different.

I do find it really... well... thoughtless, I suppose, when people say that dogs are like starter kids. Um, yeah, whatever. The "dogs are just kids in fur suits" idea ticks me off pretty badly, to be honest.
post #33 of 107
what bugs me most about the question is that pets are optional and are treated by our society as such - getting rid of an unwanted pet is fairly easy - far too easy, frankly, and I am saddened by the thousands and thousands of unwanted pets abandoned by owners or born because a thoughtless owner refused to spay it. And the standards for care for a pet are MUCH lower than for a child - unless you are actually beating the animal or refusing it food, there are no requirements for how you treat your pet.

However, pets are optional. My dh and I feel no compulsion to have a pet. We have no pressure from our family to have a pet. We don't feel like a pet adds to our community in the same way a child does. In fact, we feel strongly that it would be best if we didn't own a pet, mainly because we are unwilling to put in the level of work we feel a pet deserves.

However, when children are equated with pets, children take on that air of "optional" - kids are a luxury item that people choose to have. No one gets government support for the care of their pet. When we start equating children with pets, it seems to beg the question why our government is supporting (though child tax credits, public schooling, WIC, etc) parental choices.

Any accomodations parents request to support their children are viewed in the same light as accomodations to support dogs or cats - we get "child free zones" and "adult only" venues.

Basically, children are humans. Dogs are not. Does this mean we can abuse or mistreat dogs? Of course not. However, as future adults and members of our human community, children require higher standards of care than dogs do - who will never be running a local business, elected to government, or raising future humans.
post #34 of 107
Originally Posted by thismama View Post
OMG. I hear this a lot from childless people. "Oh but I have pets, it's sort of like kids."

Um, no it's not. Not remotely like having kids. I find that whole line of thinking offensive and a bit disturbing.
Ditto this! Sometimes, it's said in an overly optimistic way and then I think, "Wow, that person's going to be knocked on their butt when they have to feed a real human baby 6 times a night and carry it around all day long." Sometimes, it seems to be said in a genuine but childish desire to bond, almost like a kid playing house. Like, if I'm on the phone and I'm having a hard time with one of my kids in that moment, the person says, "Ugh. Fluffy is SO needy when I'm on the phone too!" In the latter case, it highly offends me that they are putting their pet on the same level of sophistication as my kid. I find the whole thing silly and annoying.
post #35 of 107
I don't think humans are superior, btw. I just don't see how owning a dog is like parenting a child. To use this train of logic, it would be elitist to say that parenting a human being is not the same as owning a pet gecko or a tarantula. It's just not the same!

I mean, a dog will not:
-be breastfed
-be fed 6 times a night
-be carried around and jounced on one's body all day long
-wear clothes, soil the clothes multiple times a day and require changes
-ask questions
-imitate human behavior, both good and bad
-learn how to read

I could go on. I'm not saying humans are inferior. But yeah, let's be honest. Dogs are not as sophisticated as human children. And they don't have a fraction of the same needs and wants. Sorry.
post #36 of 107
I find it hard to believe that anyone could even compare the two. I guess, if all you are talking about is "basic training" and keeping the kids/dogs reasonably safe, then sure, there's some room for overlap and comparison.

For example if we are just talking about the first year of raising a puppy versus the first year of raising a baby, then perhaps we could compare house-breaking to diapering, whining to crying, etc.

But there is so much *more* to raising children. With a dog, after the first year or few years, they are fully grown and the "teaching" is pretty much done. By the time your dog is 3 or 4, you have a mature, adult animal that only requires basic care-- feeding, walking, etc.

Raising children takes forever, right? At what point can you look at your kids and say, "Right, well, we're finished teaching that one!" At the very least when they're old enough to finish high school, right?

As parents we teach our kids more than not to potty on the floor or chew stuff up. We are responsible for teaching them manners, morals, responsibility, empathy, everything. How can that compare to leash-training a puppy?

I have a dog that I love whole-heartedly. I call her my baby, keep her picture in my wallet. But I do not believe in any way that raising her has somehow prepared me for parenting a human baby.
post #37 of 107
Oh, yeah, sure -

A mainstay in this mama's household whenever I need a break has always been to confine the kids to the laundry room with a bowl of food on the floor. Works like a charm!


Ugh. :
post #38 of 107
Originally Posted by thismama View Post
OMG. I hear this a lot from childless people. "Oh but I have pets, it's sort of like kids."

Um, no it's not. Not remotely like having kids. I find that whole line of thinking offensive and a bit disturbing.
Ya, that!
post #39 of 107
Originally Posted by May May View Post
Oh, yeah, sure -

A mainstay in this mama's household whenever I need a break has always been to confine the kids to the laundry room with a bowl of food on the floor. Works like a charm!


Ugh. :

So...are you saying...i shouldn't lock dd in the laundry room with a bowl of food and access to the toilet?

post #40 of 107
When I brought my son with me to school when he was 2 weeks old, my professor told me, "Oh, he's soooo cute! I know exactly how you feel about him -- I have two cats, and I just love them to pieces!"

I smiled and nodded and walked away shaking my head. Now, I've never had any pets (allergies), but I'm glad to find others in this thread who have had pets agreeing with me!
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