WHERE did Dobson say extended nursing will turn your son gay? - Page 4

[blazer]

Originally Posted by BurgundyElephant

I've heard this mentioned a few times here and I NEED a source. A friend of mine is a fan of Dobson. I've not read his stuff.

I don't think you will find any direct documentation of that period. Anyone who says that, we could probably have a conversation about reading comprehension.
One could have opinions on Dobson, but this one is I think based on conjecture and what i call web folklore.

[noodlegirl]

I don't think you will find any direct documentation of that period. Anyone who says that, we could probably have a conversation about reading comprehension.
One could have opinions on Dobson, but this one is I think based on conjecture and what i call web folklore.

Exactly. I don't love Dobson, but let's not go overboard attributing things to him that he didn't say.

[blueridgewoman]

But you know what I find really interesting about that long quote on EBF and the question about introducing formula? Notice how Dobson refers to the baby as SHE? It could just be chance, but I still find it interesting.

[josh&davesmomme]

Originally Posted by nevaehsmommy

Samual in the bible was reported to nurse until he was 5 when his mother took him to the temple. Our pastor teaches that he was nursed until that time. Samual was not a sissy/gay

Jumping in late in this thread but I was thinking the same thing, early weaning is not Biblical! and in Gen.21:8-9, at Isaac's weaning celebration he was being teased or taunted or mocked ( depending on what translation you use) by Ishmael, one doesn't tease or mock an infant but an older child.

I can't remember where I read this - I'll have to look for it, but from what I understand, the Jewish tradition of the time, was that a child should nurse at least 2-3 yrs and longer if the child was male, fragile or "important". if this is accurate then most of the important Biblical people most likedly nursed til around 5ish possibly longer.

[sapphire_chan]

Originally Posted by Cassiopeia

Dobson wants fathers to break the bond between mother and child around age three. Read the homophobic ranting yourself here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751579/posts



- That quote is Dobson quoting another "Doctor" he (Dobson) agrees with.

Well, at least that fits in with the biblical age for weaning.

[merpk]

Originally Posted by josh&davesmomme

Jumping in late in this thread but I was thinking the same thing, early weaning is not Biblical! and in Gen.21:8-9, at Isaac's weaning celebration he was being teased or taunted or mocked ( depending on what translation you use) by Ishmael, one doesn't tease or mock an infant but an older child.

I can't remember where I read this - I'll have to look for it, but from what I understand, the Jewish tradition of the time, was that a child should nurse at least 2-3 yrs and longer if the child was male, fragile or "important". if this is accurate then most of the important Biblical people most likedly nursed til around 5ish possibly longer.

According to Jewish tradition, a child is *entitled* to nurse for a minimum of 2 years. Which means that if the child weans for whatever reason before the age of 2, they are entitled to begin again if they want to until they're 2. According to the Talmud (encyclopedia of Jewish law/life, which dates from going-on 2000 years ago) the norm was to nurse till 2 or 3, and until 4 or 5 if the child was "fragile." The gender is *not* relevant ... it applies to both boys and girls.

[CalebsMome]

My husband and I were talking about this, and I think Dr. Dobson was speaking about the importance of male/ fatherly influence being important, at least by the age of 3. The book Raising Boys is all about that. Like pp posters said, Jewish law comes from a very clearly pro-breastfeeding stance. For instance, my son still comes to me for cuddles, scrapped needs, etc., but daddy has this huge influence with him and DS wants to be wherever and doing whatever DH is doing. It's a healthy relationship. I can't teach DS to be a man, because I'm not a man. Only DH can teach DS to be a man. I know on MDC that isn't the popular thing, but in this conversation about Dr. Dobson, I think that's what he was getting at. It's not about breastfeeding, it's about the importance of dads or male figures. Now whether or not it makes you gay is different. That would come from your world view as to whether or not people are born gay, another subject entirely. You (collective you) have to have an understanding of where people are coming from before you start bashing them. This, I believe, is why the extended breasfeeding activists don't get as far as they want. It doesn't have to be so militant for or against people in such a demanding way. I mean this is a 4 page thread on speculation about a quote that doesn't even speak of breastfeeding in the first place. Gentlness, understanding, and compassion goes a long way in this crusade. You are trying to change the entire world view of a society that is ingrained very deeply. Fishing for things just pushes people on the fence already further away.

[MilkTrance]

Originally Posted by frenchie

There is absolutely NO Biblical connection made between breastfeeding and homosexuality. To fabricate such a reference or teaching is heresy. !

A lot of what so-called Christians call Biblical is actually heresy. It is sad and frightening.

[MichelleAnnette]

Originally Posted by CalebsMome

My husband and I were talking about this, and I think Dr. Dobson was speaking about the importance of male/ fatherly influence being important, at least by the age of 3. The book Raising Boys is all about that. Like pp posters said, Jewish law comes from a very clearly pro-breastfeeding stance. For instance, my son still comes to me for cuddles, scrapped needs, etc., but daddy has this huge influence with him and DS wants to be wherever and doing whatever DH is doing. It's a healthy relationship. I can't teach DS to be a man, because I'm not a man. Only DH can teach DS to be a man. I know on MDC that isn't the popular thing, but in this conversation about Dr. Dobson, I think that's what he was getting at. It's not about breastfeeding, it's about the importance of dads or male figures. Now whether or not it makes you gay is different. That would come from your world view as to whether or not people are born gay, another subject entirely. You (collective you) have to have an understanding of where people are coming from before you start bashing them. This, I believe, is why the extended breasfeeding activists don't get as far as they want. It doesn't have to be so militant for or against people in such a demanding way. I mean this is a 4 page thread on speculation about a quote that doesn't even speak of breastfeeding in the first place. Gentlness, understanding, and compassion goes a long way in this crusade. You are trying to change the entire world view of a society that is ingrained very deeply. Fishing for things just pushes people on the fence already further away.

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[Awaken]

Originally Posted by mom22girls

Hmmm, if what he said was true, then all male children in the Bible would be gay.....

Originally Posted by noodlegirl

He doesn't really take a stand on it one way or the other except to present different options. He does clearly take a stand against Ezzo and does recommend Dr. Sears.

Wow, really? I'm glad to know that. I can't bring myself to read his books after I read something about his advocating spanking and a scary example involving his dog. (For the record I'm a Christian)

Originally Posted by Gunter

the thing that makes me saddest is how people don't trust or respect babes/children and use their faith and specifically, christianity to support their wackiness. it just makes me embarrassed to be a christian. if people want to use the bible's stories and examples for back-up, then extended breastfeeding should be encouraged. (as well as co-sleeping and mid-wife attended childbirth.) why do some people not see these things as the norm? additionally, as far as i can tell, the basic theme of the bible and christianity as taught by jesus, is to love. why can't we see that trusting a kid's sense of when to breastfeed is just basic respect for them and their bodies? since when is meeting a kid's needs not okay? it makes me :

Well said. I agree with you!

Originally Posted by umsami

And what about the Doodlebops?? Chad McNamara (Rooney) is gay... but have any Televangelists come out against them?

: I wouldn't be surprised if one did!

[llamalluv]

Originally Posted by josh&davesmomme

Jumping in late in this thread but I was thinking the same thing, early weaning is not Biblical! and in Gen.21:8-9, at Isaac's weaning celebration he was being teased or taunted or mocked ( depending on what translation you use) by Ishmael, one doesn't tease or mock an infant but an older child.

I don't know. I just spent the morning in a house with 4 kids - and the two 3-year olds were giving their mothers quite the workout separating them from their infant siblings. A whole lot of "Ha, ha! You can't get this!" while holding desirable toys over the babies' heads.

Plus, teenagers do an awful lot of really dumb things, and Ishmael was 14 when Isaac was born. At what age would a young man still be called a "lad"? Into his late teens/early 20's?