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post #41 of 48
LAME.
that picrure is terrible
post #42 of 48
Did you see the look of anguish on that poor child's face?! MY GOODNESS! Poor thing, being held down against his will and being forcefully mutilated...

Barbaric is not the word...
post #43 of 48
<sarcasm>
But it's not barbaric, it's happening to them, and that's what they're used to. They're like that anyway, most places they do it to themselves, that's why they don't use condoms and prefer to be mutilated especially if it comes with some kind of painful ceremony.
</sarcasm>

It's white man's slavery, control and domination all over again. We not going to give you education like we do in our civilised countries, we're not going to provide the condoms that our population uses, we ARE going to alter your genitals and attempt to control your sex drive.

I suppose they'll start attacking the Chinese and Indians next. It will be interesting to see how far they get with a fully intact population.
post #44 of 48
I just had an idea:

We know that in the countries where the recent HIV studies were performed, people practice "dry sex", which is known as an important factor for HIV transmission.

What if, after circumcision of the men, their female partner(s) would no longer see the need to dry out their vagina, because sex is already dry enough? The partners of the intact men would have continued to practice dry sex, of course.

That would lead to a real reduction in HIV infections among the circumcised men that would not be caused by circumcision directly, but indirectly, via the abandonment of dry sex.

That would mean that the true key to reducing HIV would be abandoning dry sex, not performing circumcision.

Did any of the studies consider this? Or did they all have their heads too deep in the sand to understand this connection, because circumcision can not possibly have any effect on sexuality and intercourse? *sarcasm*

Stardust
post #45 of 48

Good news from Africa - congratulations to the World Bank

(Disclaimer: I am male, 50s, born in UK, author of blog stopcircumcision.blogspot.com. This is a copy of my most recent blog post)

The World Bank has often been criticised for funding large-scale projects (such as hydropower schemes) which do not necessarily benefit the host community. However, for a recent project, whose report has just been published on their web site, the World Bank should be congratulated. Not a single reference to the word "circumcision" appears in it! The project, the Africa Multi-Country AIDS Program 2000-2006 (MAP), concentrated on tried-and-tested methods, such as prevention of mother-to-child transmission, voluntary counselling and testing, distribution of male and female condoms, provision of information and education about AIDS to the population, provision of antiretroviral (ARV) therapy, supporting vulnerable children, and supporting income-generating activities, for example, as alternatives to sex work.

The program certainly appears to have led to successful outcomes. The percentage of persons of age 15-49 with AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa has stopped increasing. In most countries surveyed. the number of people with a comprehensive knowledge about HIV has increased, as has the rate of condom use and the percentage of HIV-infected people on ARV therapy. For example, in Benin, the fraction of young women who reported using a condom in last sex with a nonregular partner increased from under 20 per cent in 2003 to over 50 per cent in 2005, and in Uganda, the percentage of people with advanced HIV infection who are being treated with antiretroviral drugs increased from 7 per cent in 2003 to over 55 per cent in 2005.

There is thus every reason to suppose that education, treatment, and poverty support measures will decrease AIDS incidence in all African countries. The encouragement of male genital mutilation in such countries as Swaziland, with its small population, and Botswana, with a democratic government and relatively well-educated populace, is therefore absolutely scandalous as well as being totally unnecessary. I congratulate the following Africans for standing up to the American-inspired mutilation bandwagon:

* President Museveni, Uganda
* Dr. Joseph Matare, Namibia
* The Luo Council of Elders, Kenya
* Alex Myers and Jonny Myers, South Africa

The WHO/UNAIDS support for male circumcision is setting the stage for a tragedy similar to the case of South Korea. Before the Korean War, circumcision was unheard of, but it appears to have been introduced under American military influence, and is now inflicted on about 90 per cent of boys.

For the sake of all of the world's male population, I therefore implore WHO/UNAIDS to change their stupid policy!
post #46 of 48
Thank you for posting this!!
post #47 of 48

But the World Bank also publishes rubbish

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Originally Posted by fa1 View Post
for a recent project, whose report has just been published on their web site, the World Bank should be congratulated. Not a single reference to the word "circumcision" appears in it! The project, the Africa Multi-Country AIDS Program 2000-2006 (MAP), concentrated on tried-and-tested methods
Well the World Bank has also been responsible for some terrifying rubbish. The March 2006 report Male Circumcision: Evidence and Implications, by David Wilson and Joy de Beyer, encourages countries with low circumcision rates to introduce mass circumcision, citing as a positive example the dreadful case of South Korea, which started mutilating boy children only after the Korean War under American military influence. (Figure 12 of the report shows that nearly 85 per cent of South Korean males in age cohorts 16-39 are circumcised).

In fact the paper they cite in support of the high South Korean circumcision rates (Kim DS, Lee JY, Pang MG. Male circumcision: A South Korean perspective. BJU Int 1999; 83 (Suppl 1): 28-33) has been taken entirely out of context. The Korean authors state in their abstract:
Conclusion: South Korea has an unusual history of circumcision. The mistaken and out-dated [my emphasis] notions about circumcision and lack of knowledge of phimosis by physicians seem to be a leading contributory factor to the extraordinarily high circumcision rate.

I conclude that it is worth while to study carefully the papers cited by any reports which purport to show that male genital mutilation has positive health effects. You may find that the authors contradict themselves!
post #48 of 48

URL of the report

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Well the World Bank has also been responsible for some terrifying rubbish. The March 2006 report Male Circumcision: Evidence and Implications, by David Wilson and Joy de Beyer, encourages countries with low circumcision rates to introduce mass circumcision, citing as a positive example the dreadful case of South Korea,
May be obtained from http://siteresources.worldbank.org/I...e3006Final.pdf
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