Circumcision Is Recommended to Fight HIV says WHO and UNAIDS

[kvilbig]

Crazy sad world we live in. In the regions where FGM is prevalent they are now recommending male circumcision too! That's just what they need, more atrocities for the defenseless. Link to article: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070328/D8O55I680.html

[carriebft]

I read another article from some newspaper called the national post (or something like that) that was linked on google news. It claimed that the Canadian Pediatric Society was relooking at their circumcision policy becuase of the HIV studies :

[carriebft]

Here it is:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...ba39919e7d&k=0

But senior WHO officials said in interviews male circumcision should be seen in a new light even in developed countries.

"Absolutely, parents should consider it," advised Dr. Kevin De Cock, the WHO's HIV/AIDS Department director. The department’s Dr. Kim Dickson said: "Men of high risk, be you in Africa, be you in Canada, [male circumcision] will give you an individual benefit."

It’s less clear whether the WHO recommendation will influence Canadian Pediatric Society directors, who are reviewing the group's 1996 statement recommending against routine circumcision of newborns. At the time, the group said the procedure produced no major medical benefits.

[kvilbig]

Circumcision is not the answer to AIDS - science is just throwing the epidemic a bandaid. What social implications will this have on a culture steeped in war and genocide - cut the innocent, ignore life's fragility? I think the scientific community needs to consider more than just the science. The ethical and social implications of their recommendation are just as important (if not more so).

[Leiahs]

All I can hope is that someone comes along and manages to do a re-do of the study, follow it through to find the REAL stats, and put it up to good peer review.

It sounds like people are going to be circ'd because of this anyway, I hope we at least get a good "told ya so" study out of it

This is just so disheartening to the cause.

[iris0110]

Gods I am tired of this stupid study. It seems like all I get done is posting links trying to debunk it on every board I am a member of. How many studies have disproven this one now? And yet this is the one they use to make policy. WTF is wrong with these people? Are they just that interested in perpetuating the mutilation of children?

[baybee]

Okay, I'm a betting woman. I'll bet the farm that 'DeCock" and "Dickson"---please tell me that these names are for real --were
both cirked as babies.

Also, I'm going to lay odds that there's not a single intact adult male in
the entire UN who will go out, based on this recommendation, and have
his foreskin amputated.

This silly fluff is just diversionary tactics by bureaucrats who don't have a clue where to start in dealing with poverty and starvation.

[HerthElde]

OMG, why is this going backwards? Are they going to start recommending female circ too!?!!!??

[LavenderMae]

I am so absolutely F'ing sick of this sh#!. The people who did this stupid flipping unethical piece of crap study should be ashamed and those who are using it as an excuse to promote RIC/MGM should rot in hell. I am really just so fed up with this. It lacks common sense and it is going to get so many more baby boys mutilated and the HIV rate will go up as well.

[pdx.mothernurture]

Another thread on this topic:

New UN Recommendations....not good...

[Daisyuk]

Originally Posted by iris0110

Gods I am tired of this stupid study. It seems like all I get done is posting links trying to debunk it on every board I am a member of. How many studies have disproven this one now? And yet this is the one they use to make policy. WTF is wrong with these people? Are they just that interested in perpetuating the mutilation of children?

Yes.

[mamakay]

Well, I've read the studies, and I'm honestly convinced that the effect is real. But what that means is that people who engage in high risk behaviors will take twice as long to become infected. 2 years of condomless sex with prostitutes instead of one before becoming infected, for example.

What really sucks is that only one in 10 people over there even has access to condoms or basic sex education.

But they're going to invest in a "circumcision rollout".

It just makes no sense.

Humans can be such bloodthirsty barbarians sometimes.

[Daisyuk]

Originally Posted by mamakay

Well, I've read the studies, and I'm honestly convinced that the effect is real. But what that means is that people who engage in high risk behaviors will take twice as long to become infected. 2 years of condomless sex with prostitutes instead of one before becoming infected, for example.

What really sucks is that only one in 10 people over there even has access to condoms or basic sex education.

But they're going to invest in a "circumcision rollout".

It just makes no sense.

Humans can be such bloodthirsty barbarians sometimes.

Of course they're going to invest in it, it's the US neocons are paying and the US is not interested in providing condoms (they actually cut off the flow of condoms) because condom availability encourages fornication. They're interested in genital mutilation and abstinence. Of course abstinence is much easier if you have a desensitised penis and your partner isn't that keen on dry painful sex, it's about exporting American cultural practises and imposing them on Africans who don't know any better.

SICKOS

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by Daisyuk

Of course they're going to invest in it, it's the US neocons are paying and the US is not interested in providing condoms (they actually cut off the flow of condoms) because condom availability encourages fornication. They're interested in genital mutilation and abstinence. Of course abstinence is much easier if you have a desensitised penis and your partner isn't that keen on dry painful sex, it's about exporting American cultural practises and imposing them on Africans who don't know any better.

SICKOS

Yeah. I know. I guess they're thinking of it as a supplement to their "abstinence only" programs that are failing. (no offense to any conservatives hanging around.)

[moonmama7]

Originally Posted by Daisyuk

Of course they're going to invest in it, it's the US neocons are paying and the US is not interested in providing condoms (they actually cut off the flow of condoms) because condom availability encourages fornication. They're interested in genital mutilation and abstinence. Of course abstinence is much easier if you have a desensitised penis and your partner isn't that keen on dry painful sex, it's about exporting American cultural practises and imposing them on Africans who don't know any better.

SICKOS

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean "Africans who don't know any better" the way it sounds. Because if you do, that's really sad and disgusting.

[Daisyuk]

Originally Posted by moonmama7

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean "Africans who don't know any better" the way it sounds. Because if you do, that's really sad and disgusting.

What I mean is Africans who don't have access to education and independent sources of information.

How can anyone make an informed decision or tell that the WHO and the UN are essentially lying to them? They don't know any better, because most of them do not seem to have access to the same information that we do. That's not an insult, that's a fact.

It also doesn't help if every time someone makes a valid point someone else jumps up and yells racist. I take it you are in favour of African children being harvested to help American animals avoid being used in testing?

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by moonmama7

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean "Africans who don't know any better" the way it sounds. Because if you do, that's really sad and disgusting.

Their models for RIC and it's estimated reductions in HIV over 20 years are going off of 100% compliance with neonatal circumcision.

100% compliance.

That means that they're going to push this so hard, and so convincingly...they are going to scare the crap out of new mothers. So, yes...it's people who will "not know any better".

They're going to design one sided "information" packets to give local health organizers, who'll give that "information" to the doctors, nurses, and midwifes, who'll basically make new mothers feel like if they love their baby, and want their grandkids to live, they'll do the right thing and give consent for circumcision.

That's not racism by saying the people duped into going along with this aren't going to know any better. That's just realism.

[mamakay]

http://www.rho.org/files/menrh_mc_conf_report.pdf

1.5.1 Neonatal and Child MC Issues
Following a data overview presentation by Dr. Edgar Schoen of Kaiser Permanente Hospitals of California
[23], the neonatal discussion group focused on how and when to implement MC for infants. The
discussion led to the issue of whether to implement MC as part of child health services and/or as an HIV
intervention program. In settings where MC is not practiced, promotion of MC as part of child health
might be more acceptable. However, MC would more likely be adopted if it was promoted as part of an
HIV intervention program. Others recommended that MC also be included in other health programs, such
as those addressing prevention of mother-to-child HIV transmission (PMTCT).
Male circumcision programs need to include information dissemination and education to help those
already practicing circumcision to promote safer procedures. Standard MC procedures and the means to
ensure quality of care must also be developed. All MC practitioners should be retrained according to
these guidelines. Nurses and midwives must be included as MC practitioners, especially in settings where
infants are born at home.
Program implementation could start by improving MC standards, setting up country-specific infrastructure,
and encouraging community education and dialog even before the RCT results are available.

Since MC is currently seen as a cultural and religious practice, women – as important carriers of communal
traditions – also need to be involved in MC awareness and implementation. Women could be the starting
point of MC promotion for infants and adolescents since child-rearing responsibilities are often their
purview. Any MC program must be culturally appropriate and work from within the system.

[mamakay]

Megalomaniacs.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/megalomania

[Daisyuk]

Schoen again.

No wonder.

American cultural imperialism on the march. THAT'S what's disgusting.