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post #1 of 14
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For those of you who don't know, my dd's father died about 15 months ago. He was completely estranged from us and she never knew him, hadn't seen him since her first year of life.

I have always been honest in a loving and age appropriate way about the reasons he was not a part of our life (untreated severe mental health issues, severe addiction issues, etc) but I never spoke ill of him and I always heard and validated her hopes that he would choose to work at becomming well and be a part of her life. When he died, that hope died and the realization and grief that she would never know her father in any way entered.

I spoke at length a number of times with a child grief counselor prior to and after telling dd of her father's death. She gave me a lot of useful advice and tips about helping her and explaining to me about how children grieve, what was healthy and normal. She said that she would grieve in waves because children cannot mire themselves in grief the way that adults do when they experience a loss. She said it would be perfectly normal for dd to go along feeling fine, then totally break down and then be fine moments later. That's basically how it's gone, with more time in between break downs as more time has passed (the last time was atleast six weeks ago). She cries, she is wonderful at verbalizing that she's feeling sad, that she misses him (even though she never met him, she misses the idea of him and the possibilities that will never be realized), that she hates that she will never know him and never have a dad the way so many of her friends do, etc... But then she moves on and overall she is a very happy, loving, smiling, laughing, playful, affectionate girl.

Last night she had a really intense wave of guilt. I feel very sure that I did and said all of the right things, in terms of comforting her, letting her say what she needed to say and feel what she was feeling without ever diminishing, negating or invalidating anything she was feeling. In these instances, I always allow her to guide the conversation and I try to say and ask very neutral things and to not project on to her what I might be feeling.

But my heart is hurting so much right now, like worse than any romantic heartbreak, worse than any tragedy that I've experienced (and I've experienced a few) because she told me this:

"No matter how much you love me or how many other people love me, I'm never going to have enough love in my life because my dad's not here to love me. Sometimes I wish I didn't even exist."



I know she was feeling an immense wave of pain when she said this. I truly don't believe her to be suicidal or anything; I think it was the words she chose to express how very awful she was feeling. I know this on an intellectual and instinctual level. As a mama, it was the worst thing in the world to hear your baby say.

I held her for a very long time, rocked her, kissed her, breathed with her. I acknowledged the empty place that her dad's death created and how very sad and painful that is.

After she was calm and seemed ready to move on from the conversation, I gently told her how much I love her and how very many people they are in her life who love her (our lives are abundant in love from myriads of wonderful friends and family members.. we are both very, very loved) and that we all send her love every time we think of her. I asked her what she thought might help her to feel more loved. She said it would help to hear it more often from more people.

I also told her that I wouldn't know how to exist if she didn't exist, to which she replied, "Mom, if I never existed you wouldn't know to miss me." (my dd has a pronounced ability to out logic me since she could first speak ).

She went to get her pajamas on and I made a big sign that reads, "YOU ARE LOVED" with hearts all over it. I gave it to her and she loved it. She said she wanted to hang it up by her bed so she could see it when she falls asleep and when she wakes up in the morning. So that's what we did. I asked her at that point how she was feeling and she said "much better" and she went to sleep easily and woke up happy this morning.

Oh mamas! It's just so hard. I can't fix this for her. I can't un-dead her father. I can't make this better and it hurts her so deeply and it hurts me so deeply. It's a pain I can't even fathom. I grew up with both of my parents in the home and they are both loving, involved parents.

And to think that even for a moment she doesn't feel loved enough... it devastates me and makes me feel so completely helpless and inadequate. I feel like I did well by her last night, but at the same time I feel like there is a part of her that is broken that I will never be able to mend.. no matter how good of a mama I am, no matter how much I love her and surround her with positive loving people it might not be enough.

I need a hug.
post #2 of 14
wish it was real.
post #3 of 14
Oh, my heart hurts for you both! you are truly amazing, i can't believe how grounded you are when talking about this with her. She sounds so much wiser than her years too. I don't know what to say so i'll offer much s

thought: what about her loved ones- any and all that you know- making her signs/cards/tangible love tokens? maybe having physical representations of the love that is felt for her could help?
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by bobica View Post
Oh, my heart hurts for you both! you are truly amazing, i can't believe how grounded you are when talking about this with her. She sounds so much wiser than her years too. I don't know what to say so i'll offer much s

thought: what about her loved ones- any and all that you know- making her signs/cards/tangible love tokens? maybe having physical representations of the love that is felt for her could help?
Lovely that you mentioned this because I actually made some calls today to various friends and family asking them to do just that.
post #5 of 14
I saw the title to your thread and knew I had to look....

I lost my father when I was 22. Even though I knew him and had a great relationship with him, I still find myself grieving over the fact that he isn't here with me now. Since his death I have gotten married and am pregnant with my second child. At times I so baddly want him to be here to experience my life as it is now. That being said... I have an extremely strong faith and know without a doubt that my father is indeed a part of my life on another level. I don't know what your religious convictions are but, I believe that my father is happier and healthier than ever before and only knows good. All of the negative stuff that he experienced in life is gone and no longer affects him. He wants me to be happy and live a wonderful life with my new family. Your daughter will grieve for the rest of her life although it will be come less and less. It will always be harder on her because she will wonder what she has lost....yet never had in the first place. I pray that she will find a wonderful father figure in life however he may come into her life. It sounds like you have done a wonderful job in helping her cope. Keep up the great work. I also pray that you have the strength to keep up. I can't imagine how hard this must be for you too.

Celia
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Originally Posted by adoremybabe View Post
I saw the title to your thread and knew I had to look....

I lost my father when I was 22. Even though I knew him and had a great relationship with him, I still find myself grieving over the fact that he isn't here with me now. Since his death I have gotten married and am pregnant with my second child. At times I so baddly want him to be here to experience my life as it is now. That being said... I have an extremely strong faith and know without a doubt that my father is indeed a part of my life on another level. I don't know what your religious convictions are but, I believe that my father is happier and healthier than ever before and only knows good. All of the negative stuff that he experienced in life is gone and no longer affects him. He wants me to be happy and live a wonderful life with my new family. Your daughter will grieve for the rest of her life although it will be come less and less. It will always be harder on her because she will wonder what she has lost....yet never had in the first place. I pray that she will find a wonderful father figure in life however he may come into her life. It sounds like you have done a wonderful job in helping her cope. Keep up the great work. I also pray that you have the strength to keep up. I can't imagine how hard this must be for you too.

Celia
Thank you for sharing this with me. I am not religious at all, but I told her last night that no one knows what happens when someone dies but that whatever astral or celestial place her dad may be, he is still loving her and that his love for her will always exist.
post #7 of 14


My father died when I was 8 years old. Like your DD, I never knew him. He and my mother divorced when I was seven months old. Like your DD's father, he had many issues that were the large part of why he wasn't a part of my life, addiction foremost among them. My mother, like you, never spoke ill of him, but in retrospect didn't really speak of him very often at all, which I wish she had.

For a very long time, I thought the reason he didn't call or write or visit was because he hadn't wanted me. I actually wrote a paper for an English class in 8th grade in which I said as much. My mom read it and sat me down and explained that it wasn't that he didn't want me, but that he just wasn't able to be a father at all. He would do things like put me in the snugli and go hang out at the liquor store while my mom was at work.

Later on, I worked at a child psychiatrist's office (for three years in my late teens) and became very close with the doctor. At one point I had a conversation about it with him, wondering aloud why my father hadn't even written just a single letter, anything at all, to me. I had never been able to reconcile him loving me with his actions. Dr. E (an extremely wise man who I have endless respect and love for, who also had A LOT of experience working with adults in an in-patient drug treatment facility) responded that adults, parents, who suffer from serious addiction very often, very truly, feel that their children are better off not knowing them. At all. This made me so very sad for my father, but helped me start to understand how he could simultaneously love me and not have been able to be there for me in any capacity.

I'm sorry to ramble, and definitely didn't mean to make your thread about me, but wanted to share my perspective... your post struck a chord with me.

Some of my most treasured belongings are the few pictures I have of him, and the telegram he sent his mother, my Nana, the day I was born. I'm wearing his signet ring now... If you have anything of his, anything at all, that you can set aside and save for her for later, or now if you feel she's old enough to not lose them, please do. (I only say this because I did actually lose a beautiful pen that belonged to him when I was in seventh grade and cried for days about it.) These few things that belonged to him mean so much to me I can't even really express it.

It sounds like you're doing a wonderful job talking with her and being there for her. You're an amazing mother. Any support or thoughts I have to offer are yours, please don't hesitate to ask. Really.

post #8 of 14
It sounds like you're doing a wonderful job of comforting your daughter. I lost my dad when I was 11. My parents were married, so I did know him, but I still have a gap where he used to be. I do feel like regardless of how many people love me, he's not here. He's never met my daughter, or my SO who would have adored him, and when SO and I get married next year, I won't have him to give me away at our wedding, and nothing can ever make that go away. I think the best thing you can do for your daughter (and that you're already doing) is just to acknowledge that. No matter how much good happens in our lives, no matter who loves us, we don't have our dads.

I would like to echo the pp's suggestion of giving her any belongings you might have of his. I have a few things that were my father's, and they bring me a lot of comfort.
post #9 of 14
how old is your girl? let me tell you about my father´s death.

my parents separated when i was 4. he was a good father while we were together but once we left, i saw him 2 times. when i turned 6 and when i turned 13, both times about an hour or less. never answered my letters nor my phone calls, never wrote for my birthday, never came for christmas, etc...let´s not get into this!

i´m mexican but my mother works for the mexican foreing service, so we lived anywhere but mexico. each time we would go to visit i thought "i´ll go lsee him this time" and befroe we left i´d say "ok, maybe next time". never saw him, never looked for him. never got the chance to ask him why.

in 1997, my grandmother called and told me my father had died. the same thing happened to me as your daughter. i felt unloved. i felt a huge part of me had died, although he was never with me. but he´s your father and it sucks even if he never took care of you. it took a few years to come to peace with it, but i did it.

my mother and family never talked bad about him. now, more than 10 years alter, they are starting to tell me things about him, and they hurt, but it´s great because i eel i´m getting to know the person, Carlos the man, not my dad, you know? and it´s good. i guess.

everything will be ok. ok, in mexico we celebrate the dead. on the day of the dead, we prepare their food, and everything they liked, i think this helped alot because every year i would have him in my life, and i would sit before the candle and talk to him, and i think i got answers...or not...but it helped. i think he´s here with me. i think he had a terrible addiction and it didn´t help with his broken marriges and three dad-less children. she will learn to see himas a human being, with his things, goo and bad, and she will understand that he´s there with her. that he didn´t dessapear fro her life because he didn´t love her, he did it because he was a coward. he didn´t know how to be a good father with all fo those things on him. she will understand and come to peace. help her, but don´t push. and dont worry, she knows you love her and needs your love. she´ll be ok.
post #10 of 14
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Thank you everyone.

And for the posters who wrote about the deaths of your own fathers, your posts are deeply meaningful to me and I am profoundly thankful for your insights. Thank you very, very much.
post #11 of 14
That tears my heart to pieces. I'm so sorry you and you're daughter are hurting. I hope counseling will help her with her grief
post #12 of 14
My heart breaks for both of you. I can relate to your reaction to your dd's comment about wishing she never existed. When my 2nd died, it took 6 months for dd1 to truly express her emotions about losing her sister. SHe said, "I wish I died too." She was 4.5. I'm sure you understand the depth of how much my heart broke. I also knew she wasn't suicidal, but she just wished she could be with her sister and know her. I don't mean to take over your post, but I felt complelled to share my story to show you similarities in how children grieve. My best wishes to you and your beautiful child.
post #13 of 14
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coleslaw, I'm so sorry for your family's loss. Thank you for sharing this with me. Be well.
post #14 of 14
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I held her for a very long time, rocked her, kissed her, breathed with her. I acknowledged the empty place that her dad's death created and how very sad and painful that is.

After she was calm and seemed ready to move on from the conversation, I gently told her how much I love her and how very many people they are in her life who love her (our lives are abundant in love from myriads of wonderful friends and family members.. we are both very, very loved) and that we all send her love every time we think of her. I asked her what she thought might help her to feel more loved. She said it would help to hear it more often from more people.

I also told her that I wouldn't know how to exist if she didn't exist, to which she replied, "Mom, if I never existed you wouldn't know to miss me." (my dd has a pronounced ability to out logic me since she could first speak ).

She went to get her pajamas on and I made a big sign that reads, "YOU ARE LOVED" with hearts all over it. I gave it to her and she loved it. She said she wanted to hang it up by her bed so she could see it when she falls asleep and when she wakes up in the morning. So that's what we did. I asked her at that point how she was feeling and she said "much better" and she went to sleep easily and woke up happy this morning.
While I read this, I kept thinking about how lucky she is to have you. What you did here is just beautiful.

to you both.
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