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post #1 of 14
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Bad News: I have no lost all hope of witnessing a circ-free America in my lifetime. If anything I am wary of the horror spreading over here.

Good News: My new deodorant smells oddly like inner mucosa, well, mine at least.
post #2 of 14
It is very frustrating sometimes, isn't it? When otherwise intelligent people either refuse to see the facts or choose to ignore them. It drives me mad, as well.
post #3 of 14
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Callous as this sounds I am finding it hard to consider Africa as anything but a massive write-off at the moment. When the people who are attempting to help are disregarding the tried and tested effective methods for an never-before attempted shot at mass mutilation and are going to funnel the millions it needs from the sources which will actually help fight AIDS what chance does it stand?

The ease with which a meme of "This makes you safer" could mutate to "This makes you safe", especially factoring in the fact that we are talking about a procedure which is highly painful and pleasure-reducing and these a countries where senior government members think showering and eating onions can save you from HIV means that we have the world's largest health agencies concocting a recipe for death on a staggeringly large scale. And that's not even starting with the evidence that female transmission is made more likely by a circumcision...

And as if all of those millions of extra dead weren't enough what chance does America stand of falling beneath 50% now? Pretty much none. The only opportunity is more Latino immigration and integration, although I've even almost given up the ghost on that one...
post #4 of 14
I'm feeling really down , frusterated and angry.


P.S interesting about your deodorant, what brand is it?
post #5 of 14
Yeah, I know.
It's like some surreal nightmare.
post #6 of 14
Good to see you around, James! I haven't seen you on another circumcision debate board lately and wondered if you got pissed off and left or if you got banned for some ridiculous reason...
post #7 of 14
I think one of the problems is for many generations it was ingrained in people that if you have a baby boy you have him circumcised it became very routine just like cutting off the umbilical cord. I think it will just take some time to turn the ship around, but I think thanks to the internet the process is going a lot faster then it would if the internet never existed, but just not fast enought for most people.
post #8 of 14
: good to see you.
post #9 of 14
Yeah, make me one of those it's not fast enough for. This horrific practice should never have been started or continued. The second a parent is asked to perform this barbaric procedure, s/he should grasp her/his baby tightly in his/her arms and run shrieking "Im gonna sue!!!!!!!!!"

Yeah circ should end................Y~E~S~T~E~R~D~A~Y
post #10 of 14
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P.S interesting about your deodorant, what brand is it?
LOL, it is a shop brand. I don't imagine you have Boots in your country, so sorry.

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Good to see you around, James! I haven't seen you on another circumcision debate board lately and wondered if you got pissed off and left or if you got banned for some ridiculous reason...
I've sort of been smoked out here, it's the last place I can find with any shred of sanity over this issue. I really shouldn't stay, the more I think about this matter the lower my overall happiness level droops. I shall probably just vent and then depart, if possible.
post #11 of 14
I got kind of discouraged yesterday at the YMCA change room. A boy about 4 or so with a tight circ. I was like, but, that is soooooooooo wrong!

Then I saw another boy of about 7 and I was wondering about the fact that the highest circ rate is 29% in P.E.I. (Prince Edward Island) and I'm in Ontario where a heck of a lot lower!

You see, I take it like this circ thing is something you need to get out of the system (of society); like a water filter... but then I know there's some 4yo and 7yo running around mutilated and wondering what will happen when THEY have kids!

I guess we just have to take action and have hope.
post #12 of 14
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That sort of information is what keeps me away from here really, I can't bear considering it...
post #13 of 14
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That sort of information is what keeps me away from here really, I can't bear considering it...
Just imagine what it is like LIVING here in the US where this type of insanity happens to the majority of infants still. And, in my generation greater than 90% of the men are done.

The sad thing is, people in this culture do whatever they can to even deny the existance of the foreskin. Because men are "uncomfortable" with the knowledge that they are missing something. Look at our male anatomy drawings in science texts here in the US. So far every one of them shows a circumcised penis. Without even acknowledging the foreskin at all. :

I was going through my books a while back and I was very disturbed when I found a book on infant massage. I flipped through it and sadly saw one circ'd infant after another : . It's very depressing...: .

It would be far less painful to avoid this area, or even thinking about these atrocities as happening everyday under a shroud of normalcy. But, I think unless we face it head on we can't make that much of a difference.

It's easy to remember, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. " So try not to loose faith. Thank God EVERY DAY that you weren't born in the US or even a couple generations in your country where you would have likely been circ'd....then do your best to help others understand how thankful you are that your parents protected your right to all your body parts.

(Anyhow, let me jump off my soapbox). I KNOW how discouraging it can be. I know sometimes we need to take a break for sanity sake, but I try to stay optomistic and think that justice and human rights will win out...soon I hope!
post #14 of 14
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Thank God EVERY DAY that you weren't born in the US or even a couple generations in your country where you would have likely been circ'd....
Well in my case its gratitude to circumstance and the great men and women who killed off that horrific practice over here instead of gratitude any assigned deity but I really, really do.

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then do your best to help others understand how thankful you are that your parents protected your right to all your body parts.
I shall do my best.
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