i know i planted the seed!

[CaraNicole]

these are recent e-mails between me and a friend...


----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: cara nicole
Date: Mar 30, 2007 12:04 PM

i know your having a boy are you getting him circumcised? sorry if it's an off the wall question but i'm kinda doing a survey thing of all the people i know...

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: my friend
Date: 30 Mar 2007, 02:36 PM

lol its cool. yes I'm getting him circumsized. did you get your son circumsized?

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Cara Nicole
Date: Mar 30, 2007 8:19 PM

no... i watched one done and it creeped me out...if you wanna see a video of one...go to google and click on video tab and type in "routine infant circumsion" i took a friends advice to watch one before i did it and now i'm glad i did...please watch a video before you do it...i almost did it and i know i would be mad at myself if i did...i have some links to some sites if you want them...i don't want you to think i am being pushy or anything just offering a point of view...anyways i hope you don't think i'm crazy...lol...oh did you ever get to go through all those clothes i gave you? i think i found some hats and socks that match some of the outfits...i can drop them by sometime if you want...take care and let me know when you have that baby i wanna see him...i bet he is gonna be a lil cutie!


my friend:

lol okay i will watch the video. im sure its not a pretty sight. i just dont want him to hate me one day for NOT getting it done. cuz alot of girls dont like uncircumsized. i know i dont. lol. yes i went through all the clothes and thank you much they are cute lol

my friend:
omg!!! i hate you Cara!!!! lol. I would have been much better off NOT knowing what my baby is going to go through . lol

Cara Nicole:
i know...i'm worried about daron one day asking me why his thing is different...i'm gonna just show him the video and tell him i couldn't do it...but if he ever wants it done...ok i'll pay for it...i thought about it and i came to his wee wee his choice...me and daddy have had many fights lol...i dunno maybe his won't be diff one day...the rate of circumsion has fallen to 54 or 56% and it's going down...i'm sorry if i upset you but at least you know! well if you ever want me to tramatize you more...i have links to alotta stuff...lol...i hope you know that if i didn't love ya as a friend i would of never told ya! well i gotta run ttys! wishes for a speedy labor!



so any thoughts? what would you do?

[kathy1_10]

I thought you did very well!! I think it depends on the type of person as to what your response should be. I know from my little experience sometimes you have to be less confrontational to certain people, but I think you did very well in planting the seed.

[Peacemamalove]

I think you did an excellent job! You gave her your opinion but you didn't seem to pushy and always ended on a good note!!

[CaraNicole]

thanks!

[Quirky]

I think you're off to a great start but I would follow up. After all, there are pain relievers available for circ so if she thinks a) it has to be done and b) there's no benefit to being intact then she may just do it anyway and ask for pain relief for the baby.

[MommytoB]

I say good job cara but I do think you need to work on her more anyways especially #1 since she's predjudice of intact guys -ask why she doesn't like intact guys she might have some kind of story that she has 'heard" because if I'm right she just has the "predjudice belief" of intact being stinky & gross .

I'm guessing she proably never ever been around an intact male if she has she would have had a different view especially for those that 'actually' tell of that story of stinky , icky , gross. Ask her truthfully why she don't like intact man and see what she has to say about that if it's just 'her belief" then talk postive about your son's intactness' but maybe if she did have an bad experience with an intact guy - state not all intact men is like that & say his problems proably came from old school teaching of premature forced retraction because now we end up just wiping on the outside it's easy as pie and they have the Integrity to retract their own foreskin when they are ready because it hurts them to forcefully retract .

#2 She still mentioned after her seeing the video that she rather prefer "not to see what "her baby was going to go through"

I would give the postive of foreskin!

Then if she gives still the shallowness tell her that she has what she is doesn't like say she truthfully has a foreskin and smegma .

[CaraNicole]

well she is doing it...at first i was pretty upset...after a night of sleeping on it i've come to this...

1. i am not going to be able to talk her out of it...she has said as much...i wish i could but i know i can't...but boy do i still wish...

2. as sad as i am about another little boy getting chopped...he isn't my son i can't make those choices for him...i'm not his mother...(i still think it should be the boys choice...but we need new laws)

3. it's her freedom to make choices for her child...as it is mine to not vax/keep my son intact/cloth diaper/etc. while i may not agree w/things she does(and her with me) it's our own choices as parents...

4. i know that if i push this too much there will be no more seed planting...

5. i do not really know her...she just lives in my old neighborhood...so i gave her the info and atleast she watched it...that says alot to me i can't get some of my own family to watch the dang video...

6. she has 6 more weeks to think it over...when push comes to shove i really do not think she is going to let it happen...(just a feeling)

7. her info of intact guys...her best guy friend of years is intact...he's 20 and he hates it...he can not find doc around here to cut him...i know info from ones best friend carries way more weight than that girl who used to live in your neighborhood...

8. makes me wanna push laws to make it illegal to circ!

[Daisyuk]

Originally Posted by CaraNicole

7. her info of intact guys...her best guy friend of years is intact...he's 20 and he hates it...he can not find doc around here to cut him...i know info from ones best friend carries way more weight than that girl who used to live in your neighborhood...

No, I do not believe that for one moment. She's lying.

There is no way that over there, an intact man can't get a circumcision. Is she trying to say in all seriousness that he can't get cosmetic surgery?

She's making that up to somehow justify things.

[Quirky]

Originally Posted by Daisyuk

No, I do not believe that for one moment. She's lying.

There is no way that over there, an intact man can't get a circumcision. Is she trying to say in all seriousness that he can't get cosmetic surgery?

She's making that up to somehow justify things.

Well, I see several possibilities:

1) The guy doesn't have the balls to actually go through with a circ, and is making up the part about not being able to find a doctor to do it.

2) Maybe his insurance won't cover it and he doesn't want to pay out of pocket.

3) Maybe he actually ran into an ethical doctor who said, no, you don't have a diagnosable problem and I'm not going to make one up to get insurance to cover it and I'm not going to cut your foreskin off for no reason.

To the OP, you could tell your friend that no matter what her friend's experience, there are a heck of a lot more intact men in the world who'd rather lose a testicle than their foreskin. 70 to 85% of the world's men are intact and the vast majority are not rushing out to get circed.