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post #1 of 6
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I am stuck. I am lost. I feel angry. I am exhausted. I have so many feelings at the moment and very few of them are positive.

I am not sure if I am experiencing ppd again (had it with my dd) or if what I am feeling is pure exhaustion from such chronically broken sleep.

My son now eight months old, used to be a good sleeper but now wakes really frequently (last night every 1/2 hr for the first 2 hrs, then 2 hourly after that), sometimes is up awake for 1-2 hrs at different times, sometimes screams and nothing will help - rocking, holding, being in bed with us - its like he is so tired but doesnt know what he wants. I am at a point where i dont know what to give him and dont even have the energy to give him anything. What reserves do u draw on when you feel you have nothing left to give? I am really losing the plot now - swearing under my breath, feeling such intense feelings of rage towards him and my situation that i slam doors, feeling detached from him (i hate him for pushing me to these extremes of rage and sleeplessness). My exhaustion is pushing me to extremes of internal rage and frustration and dissatisfaction with my life.

I love my children more than anything in the world and worked long and hard to conceive my son after a miscarriage and an ectopic pregnancy. He is such a wanted and loved baby and the feelings of completeness i experienced after his birth were joyous and overwhelmingly beautiful which is in such stark contrast to the feelings of detachment and indifference I am experiencing towards him which in turn makes me feel so guilty for feeling this way. I wanted him so much and now i have him i feel so out of control and tired.

I feel like i have nothing to give my beautiful bright 6 yo daughter and am increasingly snappy and short tempered and untolerant. It is not fair to her. I hate feeling like this - it is totally out of character.

Last month i was experiencing anxiety with heart palpitations and crying all the time. My mum came over to help woth housework and help me to rest but my nerves were so shot i couldnt even lay down - i was so wired i couldnt rest/sleep. I experienced a completely black two weeks. I think i had a mini nervous breakdown. We enlisted the help of sleep 'trainer' to see if we could help our son. We wanted to cling to anything to make this better - some of her points were good - early bedtime, soothing consistent nighttime routine, etc etc but it still doesnt seem right to make him cry to get to sleep.....Night wouldnt be so bad if we knew how to help him. But when boob, cot, co sleeping, rocking etc doesnt help we are at a loss.

We went through 2 yrs of sleepless hell with my dd and she was more high needs than my son is. I lost it and went on meds when i weaned her. It was a beautiful bandaid.

From what I read and hear of others experiences, babies nightwaking is completely normal and the best thing to do is ride it out, it will pass, give baby what he needs, do whatever you can to get through it etc etc But that is all well and good if you can cope. I am not coping with my current situation. I hate nighttime now. The sun starts going down and i feel the familiar dread of the pain of impending broken sleep and a babies cries that cut through my bones. If this is so normal how does everyone out there cope when the sun sets? It is torture and I am a fairly calm person by nature and I cant do this anymore....

I want and need more sleep. I want to be a good patient mama to my two beautiful children. I want my baby to rest peacefully. I want to feel positive about my life and not despair that the next two years are going to be this vortex of sleepless hell that is sucking the life and light out of me. If the next two years are gonna be more of the same and I am not coping now, are meds the answer?

Ive been taking some natural remedies, homeopathics, st johns wort, magnesium supplements etc and seen some mild reprieve from dark thoughts in the day but i just keep losing the plot at night. I like to do things as naturally as possible and lost a lot of weight in getting myself healthy for conception, pregnancy and birth - the thought of going on meds and becoming a fat blob again...sigh I just feel stuck like i dont have any answers and cant see a way out of this except time.....

It doesnt help that my sister has an 11 mth old who has been sleeping 12 hr nights for the last two months. She was breast and bottle fed right through from birth and now just has a bottle at night. Is baby nightwaking worse when you breastfeed?

Im sorry this has been so long - I just needed to get my thoughts off my chest.
post #2 of 6
O M G

You are SO not alone! I could have written this post.

I don't know what the answer is but I sure understand exactly how you feel....

I am angry all the time and just one bad night away from a meltdown at any given moment... DD keeps me up til 2 am most nights lately and DS was always a bad sleeper until several months ago, now the baby wakes him up so we have to run in there all the time too... I have no patience for either of them even though I love them, I am so angry all the time because they are (literally and figuratively) sucking the life out of me...

When I do get lucky and get decent sleep I am like my old self... patient, loving, kind... when I don't, I can't stop crying, I yell at my 2 year old, I can't cope with the baby and have had to put her in her bed and walk away so I wouldn't scream at her too... : It's a horrible, horrible feeling...

DH fortunately is wonderful! He helps a lot but works full time too, so he can't be here 24/7... I have cut corners wherever I can... let a lot of things go, cooking, cleaning... we've even switched to sposies for now because I can't handle one more load of laundry... I feel like an invalid and I know that the ONE THING THAT WILL CURE ME IS SLEEP.....

HUGS MAMA... I understand exactly where you are at... it is SO hard....

Nights are hell and the bed is my instrument of torture... my children are trying to kill me I swear... I thought I might want a third but I just can't keep doing this... it is wrecking who I am as a person and I don't know how long my marriage can hold out... she seems to be getting better but it's not fast enough for me.....

I hate my life I am finding so little joy in motherhood right now, just so little. It sure doesn't come close to making up for what I am losing...

post #3 of 6
I'm so sorry you are feeling this way. I could feel the pain in your words and I couldn't read and not reply.

PPD could very likely be exacerbated by your sleep deprivation. Do you manage to get any naps in during the day? I know it is hard, but if you can, try and sleep when your LO does. Does your DD go to school? If not can you enlist someone to come in and watch her while you nap with your son?

I would expect that with more sleep you might be able to feel more positive.

Have you tried playing around with naps during the day to see if maybe less or more sleep would help?

Do you make sure to keep night time boring? I never turn on the light and I don't change diapers unless they are poopy at night. I keep everything as boring and quiet as possible so DD knows that there is a difference between night and day.

Do you co sleep? If you don't would you consider it? I've gone to this with my DD lately because she just couldn't sleep without me and at least with her in my bed, I could sleep through the nursing.

I'm sorry if I'm repeating advice that you have already received. You will get through this!
post #4 of 6
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Thank you so much for your replies and in replying, your support.

Timneh mom - it sounds like you are doing it pretty tough too and I am so sorry you are having such a hard time. The sleep deprivation is complete torture and it seems like it will never end....I just dont have any idea what advice to offer, but it does help to know that you are not alone. Being tired can turn you into a completely different person, make you do things that are out of character and make you see red. Being a mama is the hardest job on the planet and it pushes you to extremes of emotion but without a doubt we love our precious children and would do anything for them. It is lucky we have supportive partners who love us and our children. I know this difficult demanding sleep deprived phase will end but when you are in the middle of it and tired beyond words it is hard to see the light sometimes. The darkness and the bad moods are probably directly related to a tired mind and an achingly exhausted body.

Caittune - I have tried many of the things you mentioned - nighttime has always been a dimly lit, calming atmosphere with little for him to be distracted by. We always do the same nighttime routine and put him to bed at around the same time each night trying to pick up on his tired cues. Last night we gave him some panadol/paracetamol as we suspected teething pain and it really made a huge difference to his nightwaking last night (but there are other nights when it doesnt help!). He woke several times and was able to resettle and go back to sleep and then had two BFeeds and straight back to sleep making me suspect that his poor sleep is due to being uncomfortable or in pain about teeth or something else. Usually he is wakeful, restless etc It is just so hard when you know he needs the sleep (as do you!) and you have exhuasted everything in your repertoire and nothing helps.

My dd does go to school so I can stay home quietly with my son and put him to bed when he is tired, but lately his day naps have been frought with fighting and screaming and that coupled with months of bad sleep just sent me over the edge.

Because last night was a fairly good night - I feel completely different today. We have a four day Easter holiday at the moment so have my DH home which is always great. I got to sneak in an extra couple of hours sleep this morning while he took DS which was so needed! I guess at the end of the day it is about coping and taking any opportunity you can to replenish your cup. I just hate the lows and they really get me down.
post #5 of 6
Mama2eve - we have tried what you are trying as well... we went through all of this with DS and we are going through the new baby restlessness at night thing with DD. DS will nap once a day but sometimes it's almost impossible to get DD to go down at the same time, and even then, she doesn't stay sleeping for very long.

I am so glad you feel well today, I feel well too after a decent night. But it only takes one missed nap or one bad night to send me into a complete breakdown. DH even worked from home for a couple of hours one morning, because he found me sitting in the living room sobbing my head off. I thought he'd left for work, and all I could do was cry, "WHY WON"T SHE SLEEP!!!!" He took her and sent me to bed, she had gotten up WAY early after keeping me up half the night, it was awful! I so totally understand how you feel... totally! When I am rested and happy, I enjoy my kids, I enjoy the sweet moments with them... when I am not rested, I am a complete crazy freak!

When I get consistent good sleep, I can handle the occasional bad night. But when all nights are bad... it's just hell, it's a whole new level of hell. I just get totally crazy, just psychotic. It's really horrible! I scare myself with the dark thoughts I get in my head during that time. But, add sleep, and I'm completely mentally healthy.

I love my DH to pieces too, don't know what I'd do without him. Mine has a 4 day weekend too and I'm so happy!

If you want to talk more, PM me and I'll give you my email addy... take care Mama, you're not alone, I understand exactly how you feel...
post #6 of 6
I have ppd and sleep deprivation almost sent me to the psych ward-seriously. My Dh had to stay up with my dd for two weeks getting no sleep when she was about 5 wo because I was seriously losing it and thinkin of hurting her at night. I started Zoloft and it really helped me cope. I prefer natural things too but not sleeping and then having insomnia when you have a chance to sleep is not natural either! The Zoloft seemed to help the quality of my sleep and allowed me to sleep when I had the opportunity. My dd was sleeping great for about two months and things have been regressing. The night before last she woke up every 1/2hour. I was completely out of it the next day and was day dreaming about jumping out of our moving car and running away so that I could sleep!! Last night we tried itsy bitsy yoga and a bath before bed and she only woke up twice! s: mamas! I wish I had advice but I don't. Dr. Spears attatchment parenting book has a good saying " if you resent it,change it" I don't know what you can change to make things better right now but if there is anyone who could help you with you dc's so you could sleep beg them for help. My mom stayed up holding my dd all night in the begining for a few days and just woke me to nurse her- I felt guilty but I know now I wouldn't have probably made it through with out that respite!
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