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post #21 of 268
newcastlemama: I'm assuming you are aware of night shade veg with joint inflamation.
post #22 of 268
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newcastlemama: I'm assuming you are aware of night shade veg with joint inflamation.
Yep. Though I am not sure if taking those out has helped or the other stuff.

Do you have a good place to buy enzymes? I am interested in Houston Peptizyde and a protese one.

Thanks,
Jen
post #23 of 268
I know what you mean by : I like to do one thing at a time, in stages. This is what I did for my gut. I took probiotics first thing in a morning, then Candadese (the same company of Candix, different dose,) and ViraStop three times a day between meals while I was detoxing (are you with me, so far?) By the time my accute sy of yeast was gone, I went with the Intro stage of SCD to get back on SCD fully.

Now, I am on Digest with meals and take fish oil, Vit C, CoQ10, garlic (cap and raw on my green salad with flaxseed oil), green juice, lots of lemon water, herb tea, etc.

This was for me to get my constipation out of the way, and get the regular BM, which I am now.

I keep food diary of when I took what, to avoid eating food with Candix, or take probiotics with enzyme, etc. I know it is : , but I thought I would write what I did, so you can compare.

You may also want to read "Complete Candida Yeast Guidebook" by Jeanne Marie Martin, if you haven't.
post #24 of 268
Oh, about the enzyme; I bought Huston's from original source. We did not do well w/ Huston's, so my kids and I are on Enzymedica. I buy it from anyone who has free shipping.
post #25 of 268
Thanks greencat! I just erased my post because I decided to do:
1) Liver detox for about a month because I already have the Milk Thistle and my Naturopath thought this was important for me.
2) Candida Issues probably with Candex
3) Any food sensitvity issues after that with with peptizyde.

It can get crazy in my supplement cabinet! I am alo trying to use prationers as little as possible and try and figure it out myself so I can afford the supps!
post #26 of 268
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[U] am trying to add more variety to my diet also. I cannot have gluten/wheat so I got some amaranth and buckwheat to try out so I don't overdo the brown rice. Along with some canned wild salmon and herring so I don't just eat chicken and beef. (I also got some pastured chicken livers!!)
millet is also good for variety. it cooks up like rice, about 1c millet to 2.5c water. my kids like it, too, more than the buckwheat. we rotate breakfast: eggs, oats, buckwheat, millet, and occasionally grits/polenta (corn) if we haven't had a lot of other corn products recently. we also eat millet as a dinner grain, to rotate with rice, barley, cassava (the root they make tapioca from, aka "yuca" to latinas) and potatoes/sweet potatoes. dh is indian: it's hard to skip rice around here, especially since we use rice pasta (tinkyada/TJ's).

i've never been very successful getting anyone to eat amaranth, unless i mix it with other grains or put sugar (=maple syrup/honey) on it. but then i'm not much of a cook. got any tasty amaranth recipes to share?
post #27 of 268
I have never had amaranth. I have it soaking on the counter and I was going to ass coconut oil, nuts, flaxseed, ect for breakfast. I can't have millet, but thank you for the suggestion...I reacted to many grains on my blood test.
post #28 of 268
I tried millet once, and it tasted like yuck to me.
post #29 of 268
Millet is kinda strange: cook too much it is mushy, too little and it is crunchy. But you can make a fabulous coconut millet pudding out of it. Give it another try, I think they are so different from what we are used to eating that it might just take time to adjust to it.

Amanrant was too small and grainy, not good for my DS until he gets older.

I LOVE quinoa, both the white and red kind. Easy to cook, and picks up flavors pretty well.

All these grains + removing all wheat/traditional flours/carbs has pretty much fixed my DH's GI symptoms, but his eczemas is whole other story...hence why I am so thankful for ALL the wonderful help on this forum.
post #30 of 268
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This is what I did for my gut. I took probiotics first thing in a morning, .
What did you take specifically? I am curious because I had a LONG discussion with our pediatrician about the Jarrow probiotics -- she is a fan of them, even though I and I think JaneS? didn't have good experiences with them.

Did you do any testing before you went with a certain product?
post #31 of 268
Cello: I take Pro-Bio and/or Metagenic's Dairy Free because they are easily available, and I like the contents (lack of sugar, etc). I'll probably order some from SCD website in the future. I never looked for “a better one that may be better suited for our gut,” since it was more important to keep in the mind how to cure gut holistically. The best probiotics is not going to do much unless you have other issues harmonizing in your body.

I think one of the key here is knowing how to use the probiotics in the best advantage to your gut. As I wrote before (as well as JaneS), the probiotics is not going to help you well unless your gut is somewhat functional/healthy, and hospitable for the probiotics to stay. This doesn't mean that you should not take the probiotics, but that is why I went with mild detox to correct my BM and doing other stuff before I got back on the probiotics (because I was so constipated, adding more ‘stuff’ wasn’t helping but, indeed, wasting). I won't recommend detox for kids or Bfing mommies (unless you are under a supervision of an expert.) I never had to look into detox or chalation for my kids, since their poo is enviously beautiful, after we go on SCD and digestive enzyme.

We also eat probiotics with SCD yogurt, first thing in the am, on the empty stomach. Then, we wait 30min or so, before we eat anything else. Don’t take enzyme with robotics together. If you are just introducing the probiotics, go slow to avoid die off.
post #32 of 268
Oh, regardeing the tests, I never tested for anything, although it probablly is a good idea. I figured, we would be doing this kind of diet anyway (with or without the test), I never bothered with a diagnosis but looking at my symptoms, and spend my money on probiotics, organic foods, etc.
post #33 of 268
Is pepsin the enzyme that breaks down casien? If not, what is it called? Thanks, Jen
post #34 of 268
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Millet is kinda strange: cook too much it is mushy, too little and it is crunchy.

I LOVE quinoa, both the white and red kind. Easy to cook, and picks up flavors pretty well.
getting the water:grain ratio right for millet makes a difference too. when i get it right, it comes out soft, but fluffy, like long grain (not sticky/sushi) rice.

a teaspoon of maple syrup on millet with slightly mushy kidney beans (like they end up canned) is a pretty tasty meal/snack. then as you all get used to the taste, you can wean everybody off the syrup. i got the kids used to buckwheat at xmas'05 by using a little eggnog with the usual rice milk on top (: but it worked).

we eat quinoa, too, but less often, because the kids haven't taken to it. i make tabouli with it. any recipe suggestions?
post #35 of 268
I have a question for those doing or not doing SCD for whatever reason ... I have my DS1 on SCD currently, since late February. So far I have seen NO improvement at all in his stools - still very foul smelling, mushy, float in the toilet, etc. I am still waiting for a shipment of SCDophilus that is supposedly on back order since the 25th of February. I now have a yogurt maker and some goat milk and some Progurt yogurt starter. I have not purchased any more acidophilus, hoping that my original order might actually ship soon.

Would my best bet then be the homemade yogurt? Is there something else that is preventing my son from improving, or is this what people have seen? We are only using stage 1 and 2 foods from the website, and he is tube fed so everything is cooked/pureed in order to go through his tube. I cannot find a source of illegal foods - I check everything carefully against the website. I think his eyes, skin and hair look somewhat better, but he has lost some weight so isn't looking as healthy in that department.


Any thoughts?

Thanks!!!
post #36 of 268
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Originally Posted by crazycat View Post
I have a question for those doing or not doing SCD for whatever reason ... I have my DS1 on SCD currently, since late February. So far I have seen NO improvement at all in his stools - still very foul smelling, mushy, float in the toilet, etc. I am still waiting for a shipment of SCDophilus that is supposedly on back order since the 25th of February. I now have a yogurt maker and some goat milk and some Progurt yogurt starter. I have not purchased any more acidophilus, hoping that my original order might actually ship soon.

Would my best bet then be the homemade yogurt? Is there something else that is preventing my son from improving, or is this what people have seen? We are only using stage 1 and 2 foods from the website, and he is tube fed so everything is cooked/pureed in order to go through his tube. I cannot find a source of illegal foods - I check everything carefully against the website. I think his eyes, skin and hair look somewhat better, but he has lost some weight so isn't looking as healthy in that department.


Any thoughts?

Thanks!!!
I think you really do need probiotics in order to get good results from the SCD. Is he on any probiotics at all? The yogurt would be the best probiotic if he tolerates dairy. Is he eating any foods that are common allergens?

The SCD does not work for everyone, though, or even most people from what I've seen on this group, so it may or may not help him. IMO if you add in the probiotics and can't tell that he's improving in a month or so the SCD probably isn't going to help.
post #37 of 268
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Is pepsin the enzyme that breaks down casien? If not, what is it called? Thanks, Jen
Peptizyde is the name of the enzyme formulation...I think the actual enzyme is called DPP-IV. AFAIK you have to order it from www.houstonni.com
post #38 of 268
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Is pepsin the enzyme that breaks down casien? If not, what is it called? Thanks, Jen
DPP-IV is one of the enzymes that specifically breaks down casein and gluten so that the opioid-like peptides (beta-casomorphin and gluteomorphin) aren't available to latch onto the opioid receptors in both your gut and your brain.

I think Houston's has it? Anyhoo... Great Plains Laboratories has a test (not covered by insurance) that you can do (it's a pee in the bottle test) to see if you are sending opioid-like peptides into your pee. Which would indicate that you should either avoid gluten and casein or you should take DPP-IV enzymes.

GPL also recommends following that test up with an IgG panel for the basic allergens - people who can't breakdown casein and gluten also often show other allergy-type symptoms to those foods and possibly other foods.
post #39 of 268
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I tried millet once, and it tasted like yuck to me.
you need to add my hemp pesto to make millet yummy.

fill your food processor with some spinach and basil (half and half or so?)
add in 1 cup or so of hemp nuts
toss in some lemon juice/ACV
a dash of sea salt
a clove of garlic (or 2 or 3)
oil (a blend of flax/olive/hemp oil would be fine)

process the heck out of it.

when you chill it, if you get the proportions just right, you can actually use it as a butter. you can add it to millet or pasta. YUM. or spread it on rice crackers or flaxseed crackers. or on celery sticks. (warm it slightly for a veggie dip).


if you can't use hemp nuts, use some other soaked nut (walnuts are good). it works well too when you just very slightly blanch the spinach.
post #40 of 268
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I have never had amaranth. I have it soaking on the counter and I was going to ass coconut oil, nuts, flaxseed, ect for breakfast. I can't have millet, but thank you for the suggestion...I reacted to many grains on my blood test.
there's a multigrain (gluten free) porridge recipe in Vegetarian Mother's Cookbook... if i remember, i'll dig it out and post it though you might find it in the mothering.com recipe archives. i haven't tried it but it looks pretty yummy.
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